Ah it seems you are a bit unlucky with the lost rank, I had the same (had 10K links in ahrefs in a week) but luckily it did not affected the site badly, but I still asked him to replace those links with homepage links which he did. My site is now still stable on first page. I hope losing these extra links won't hurt my site but until now I haven't seen any problem.
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Ah it seems you are a bit unlucky with the lost rank, I had the same (had 10K links in ahrefs in a week) but luckily it did not affected the site badly, but I still asked him to replace those links with homepage links which he did. My site is now still stable on first page. I hope losing these extra links won't hurt my site but until now I haven't seen any problem.
Sorry to butt in here but I have to seriously disagree! This is rediculous what the OP is doing here AND you are saying you got 10k links in ahrefs in a week too!? This is the same as reallife but neither of you ordered 10k links from the OP at most you ordered 100 high pr links which he claims to be selling, I think you were the lucky one here not to get slapped too and were able to save your site, anyway...
I analyzed reallifes site after this service was perfomed and he took a serious nose dive, I was shocked and appalled to find 1000s and 1000s of non relevent crap links! This is certainly not what the OP is advertising here is it? Hes selling these as packages of 50 and 100 high pr links on his own network. They are certainly not that, they are spammy links sent to your site in the 100s of 1000s, you are very lucky that you were not hit too with 10k links coming to your site, it could have been a lot worse for you too.
OP I would strongly suggest that you completely change your OP here to reflect what you are actually selling and be truthful with people so that they can assess things better before buying these links, telling them that its packages of 50 and 100 high pr links on your own network is bollix and the excuse you are giving people of "oh well you must have got a few extra links derp" is bullshit. You destroyed a good site here and as reallife pointed out a refund or free links is never going to bring that site back, this is hardcore mass spam and your selling it as packs of 50 and 100 high pr links, wtf?
I have nothing against BH spam actually I love it, but the problem here is the OP is telling people its one thing a small package of high pr links which would be reletively safe if it was true, but he is instead sending 100s of 1000s of links, its not right to mislead people and mess with their livelyhoods (sites), I'm posting here just to confirm what reallife is saying as he is a long time client of mine and asked me to have a look into what had happened.
*edit: I just also noticed you mention above this being safer than sape, lol dude after seeing these links of yours for myself I can safely say I'd take sape links hands down any day over these!
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Well as I don't know what kind of links reallifes got so I am unable to give any judgement on it. I did analyze my links and even though I got 10k links in a week, Those comes from 10-20 domains which the biggest are around 7-8k in a week. Actually after 2 weeks it was increased to around 16-18k total. After it's settled I checked that around 16K+ links comes from 3 domain names.
The root domain are fine, some even great but all the links I checked are high PR as the OP mentioned. Those so many extra links comes from sitewide links (16k+ inner page links). I then asked the op to remove the inner links and he did.
What I want to say is getting a lot sitewide inner links like me does not mean it's bad. What if a real person liked your site and put a sitewide link in his site sidebar and he has 10k pages on those site. Would Google ban you for this? They may but the also may not. Because they know that this can happen in a "whitehat" way. There's so much other factors that can also affect Google decision.
You know, as those links were removed, why not ask Google for reconsideration? I am doing the same with another site of mine because my site got dropped after using one of BHW service here (not this one). After 2 tries, they ask me to try to get some links removed and reply personally to them. I am doing this and I believe if you keep going on you will get your position back, at least for me, the $XXXX-$XX,XXX a month is worth it. And in this case, it's easier as links were removed already (at least if these are the same kind of links as I got), just check which links were removed and send a letter to Google with the list.
I do happen to agree that these links are not safer than sape (at least the links I got) but they are for me at the same risk. Once again, this is based on the links I got and not what reallifes got.
The root domain are fine, some even great but all the links I checked are high PR as the OP mentioned. Those so many extra links comes from sitewide links (16k+ inner page links). I then asked the op to remove the inner links and he did.
What I want to say is getting a lot sitewide inner links like me does not mean it's bad. What if a real person liked your site and put a sitewide link in his site sidebar and he has 10k pages on those site. Would Google ban you for this? They may but the also may not. Because they know that this can happen in a "whitehat" way. There's so much other factors that can also affect Google decision.
You know, as those links were removed, why not ask Google for reconsideration? I am doing the same with another site of mine because my site got dropped after using one of BHW service here (not this one). After 2 tries, they ask me to try to get some links removed and reply personally to them. I am doing this and I believe if you keep going on you will get your position back, at least for me, the $XXXX-$XX,XXX a month is worth it. And in this case, it's easier as links were removed already (at least if these are the same kind of links as I got), just check which links were removed and send a letter to Google with the list.
I do happen to agree that these links are not safer than sape (at least the links I got) but they are for me at the same risk. Once again, this is based on the links I got and not what reallifes got.
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I don't know what Google would do if someone got a huge influx of sitewide links from "someone who liked the site" - although I doubt that all of those links from different domains would all have the exact same anchor text. But there were no other variables here - the links got added and the site tanked. My evaluation of what happened is the same type of analysis I'd make if I dropped a huge pot on my foot and broke my toe. I'd blame the dropping of the pot for my broken toe.
I'd love to ask for reconsideration, but since I'm using a ton of SAPE links on the site, I doubt they'd look kindly on the request.
Glad your site survived.
I'd love to ask for reconsideration, but since I'm using a ton of SAPE links on the site, I doubt they'd look kindly on the request.
Glad your site survived.
cesarian what the links did is irrelivent here and it's well known that google went after sitewide links long ago but again this is not the point I was trying to make, the most important point you seem to be missing here is the OP is advertising packs of 50 and 100 high pr HOMEPAGE links, when in fact he is sendings 1000s of sitewide spammy links to yours and reallifes site that we know of so far, I analysed these some of them are not pretty and the majority are hidden (I know he does say this).
If the service brings some results then happy days, open the thread tell people what they are getting before buying so they can make a proper informed decision is the main point here, but messing with peoples sites giving them something they never intended to have isn't right is it?
If the service brings some results then happy days, open the thread tell people what they are getting before buying so they can make a proper informed decision is the main point here, but messing with peoples sites giving them something they never intended to have isn't right is it?
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I don't miss the point, I do agree that messing with people site is not right. I understand what happened. I just explained what I think and what I got.
The OP is advertising packs of 50 and 100 high pr HOMEPAGE links which I did received.
I also received 18k+ sitewide links, which 16k+ are sitewide links from 3 domains. Those 3 domains are great, if I remember correctly, 1 PR5, 1 PR 3 and 1 PR 4. So the "1000s of sitewide spammy links" comes in fact in my case from good websites.
But I do agree that those so many links are not good, that's why I also asked the OP to remove the inner page links. Which he did. That's why I mention "unlucky" because Google decide to drop the site because of this while I am "lucky" as Google didn't do this to me.
One more thing, reallife mentioned he is using ton's of SAPE, there is a possibility that the combination of SAPE and this service is the cause of drops. I know this happened to me.
I had a site using SAPE before, in fact using your service tommy, it went great, to page 1 for my main keywords. Then I used candybar's service (so not this service). The first week was great I got rank 1 but then after that all ranks went down because Google don't like it.
At the same time I had another site using candybar's service too but without SAPE, it went also great, top 10 position for a site that haven't received any SEO. And the ranks did not drop.
I don't know exactly why the first site dropped but it is possible that the combination use has caused this. It may not but no one knows for sure.
Thanks, I am also glad my site survive. well in this case, you can create a new site and do the same again, this is what I had done too. It just take time, mine took 3-4 months before the new site was as good in position as the dropped one but hey so much income is worth it.
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That's already well underway, but as Tommy so rightly pointed out, when you think you're buying a small number of homepage links but receive thousands and thousands of other, lower quality links, all with exactly the same anchor text, that's just plain wrong.
Normally, everything below PR 3 is automatically filtered out. The specific bug which caused several of your links to be cross-posted to multiple websites as sitewide links was obviously a huge problem and we apologize for that. It's very unfortunate that your site's ranking decreased afterwards, despite the rest of the websites that were also part of this issue continuing to rank extremely well.
However, I would like to point out that according to my data (please let me know if you have conflicting data, obviously as the site owner you have better analytics on your own site than I do) your site had been in a constant decline traffic wise (and I assume ranking wise) for a few months since its peak in April (according to SEMrush data your site received more than fourteen times more traffic in April than you did in June, which means that your site had not been doing all that well even before you bought our service on June 21) and while we're sincerely sorry we were unable to turn things around for your site, I'm not entirely convinced that we didn't just come in on the wrong side of the mountain before the inevitable cliff.
And yes, getting something different than what you are expecting is wrong. We've made the necessary changes to prevent any confusion with future clients.
First off, the only reason we started including sitewide links in our packages is because clients were having excellent results with them and requested as many as we could get. As a result, in big, bold letters on page one I made a promotional post that mentioned that the next ten orders would be receiving a bonus of 10-20 sitewide links. So, technically, they were both included in the promotion of 100 High PR Homepage links, with 10-20 of those being high quality sitewides and one of them being a PR 6 homepage link (do note, the links reallife received were not the usual links we send to clients and was purely an error - several sites shared the same footer file). Of course, it should have been made clearer to potential clients in either the original post (I do not believe BST's are permitted to be edited) or the order form that this promotion was taking place.
A natural link profile can and should include a select amount of high quality sitewide links, which is what we provided to several clients. Reallife did receive those links (which we removed at his request and then proceeded to make changes to our order form to prevent any issues with future clients and make sure buyers know what they're buying) and received a few extras which were not supposed to be in our network.
The difference between these links and Sape is that Sape is a public network and this is a private network. I believe the severely lowered risk of getting our network taken down compared to Sape makes these safer than large public networks, despite these being hidden links. I do however think the new methods guys like you are using to distribute links across many different and diverse smaller networks is significantly safer than the methods used in the past (which I was comparing my service to). How that stacks up compared to hidden links on a private network is up to the customer to decide, as there is no real clear answer.
I appreciate the impartial viewpoint.
The sitewide links that cesarian and every other client except for a select few who were part of the bug (yet are still ranking very well) are not what I (or cesarian) would consider spammy. They're PR 3-5 authority websites. There are a few low PR websites which reallife's site was temporarily cross-posted - those are not the type of sites that we use for clients.
Once again, your impartial viewpoint is appreciated and definitely adds valuable information for past clients, current clients, and potential future clients.
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Yes, the site had peaked in April at #1 for all its keywords, and dropped to #2-#6 for most keywords by June, which caused the dropoff in traffic. That's why I was looking for interesting new packages of high PR homepage links. I was hoping to move back up a couple of spots. Since those sitewide links were added, I didn't move up a couple of spots, I dropped hundreds of spots (all but one keyword is now out of the top 300). And as stated, the daily revenue from June to July dropped from $XXX to $0.
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Here is my review:
I ordered 100 links on 21 June 13, and i got 6.2K links after checking ahrefs today.
Ranking:
KW1: was 36 - now 93
KW2: was n/a - now n/a
KW3: was n/a - now n/a
KW4: was 3 - now 2
KW5: was 4 - now 3
Luckily i didn't use this service on my money site, so my lost was $227 and my time.
OP, as a responsible seller do you think you should do something to our investment?
Thank you.
I ordered 100 links on 21 June 13, and i got 6.2K links after checking ahrefs today.
Ranking:
KW1: was 36 - now 93
KW2: was n/a - now n/a
KW3: was n/a - now n/a
KW4: was 3 - now 2
KW5: was 4 - now 3
Luckily i didn't use this service on my money site, so my lost was $227 and my time.
OP, as a responsible seller do you think you should do something to our investment?
Thank you.
You were included in the sitewide + PR 6 link promotion which is why there are some sites with a large amount of links from them. Just as well, I assume you've been building links while we've been doing this service because I see some other links giving you diversity in your ahrefs profile.
Two secondary keywords up and no positive movement on the main keyword. Both keyword #2 and #3 never appear on-page, so their lack of movement is not surprising at all. If you can edit your content, adding those two keywords to the page may help those rank.
You received mixed results because:
- You had us dripfeed, so results take longer to come in (good for long-term, just slows down short-term progression)
- Two of your main keywords never appear on-page anywhere. If you want to rank for those specific keywords, please at least have the actual keywords or some combination of those words appear somewhere on the page. We can't be responsible for your on-page optimization.
- Regarding KW1, one word keywords which are ranked that deep or not at all have a tendency to jump back and forth. For example, personally right now I have a new website on page three for some huge keywords, but when tracking it consistently I notice it keeps darting in and out because when you're that far back Google constantly shuffles the results around.
As a BST seller, do you think I should request my clients pay me extra when they receive excellent results? No, of course not, that would be ridiculous. Likewise, do you think I should refund clients when they receive mixed results (reallife is an isolated example of negative results because his rankings had been dropping for awhile and they just kept falling after he ordered, so he never had an opportunity to gain anything from our links)?
Please try adding the keywords to the page. Once Google recrawls it, you're likely to get ranked. If you'd like to postpone the upcoming renewal until you can evaluate your results once the keywords are on the page, we can do that for you.
Since I mentioned that some of our clients have received excellent results, I feel it's worthwhile to back that statement up by showcasing a sampling of ranking results from five of our clients. Please note that every one of these graphs are from five separate clients and nearly all of them received awesome results with their other keywords as well.
#46 to #2 in just 2 1/2 weeks.
#5 to #2 for a big keyword.
#49 to #7.
#5 to #1.
#8 to #2.
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If you'd like to see your links, most of them show up at ahrefs.com. Also, usually when clients are interested in seeing a few of their links we're happy to oblige.
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is it possible to see sample links?
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