My opinion so far, Joomla vs Wordpress vs Drupal, what is yours?

[ybbot]

I'd prefer wordpress and joomla than drupal.
When its only a simple blog or news portal I will build using wordpress, but if it needs more complex function, like download manager, single sign on, and forum integration I will using joomla.
IMHO wordpress were cheaper at setup cost but not at maintanance cost, eat using much more server resources than joomla

 

[slewis1972]

My experience has mainly been with joomla. Its damn easy to setup with many extensions but alot of the good ones come at a cost. Wordpress seems easier and plugins and workrounds are generally free that I can see. I am soon to give it a wirl.

 

[Deleted member 364366]

IMO if you're looking to set up a quick but nice looking site, Wordpress is the only way to go.

 

[hr888]

This is based on my opinion..
Wordpress : Easy
Joomla : Medium
Drupal : Super Hard.

This is so well put! I would also say that the application you use should be determined by the usage. For example, I love WordPress for blog applications, it works perfectly naturally for that kind of set up. When I have tried to do blogs with Joomla it wasn't as straight forward, although doable. I find Joomla to be the easiest to work with in the back end and Drupal I agree by far the hardest overall. Drupal takes much more time to set up, which could very well be worth it in the end. I also enjoy customizing Joomla over Wordpress as far as templates, layout, design, menu navigation, etc.

 

[madoctopus]

wordpress - written by drunken monkeys during a scientific experiment conducted by CIA. it is:
Cons:
- extremely bloated for what it does
- lacks even the most basic optimization (hint : look at the DB schema)
- slow as fuck. for what it does out of the box it should be 100 times faster and it could be but was coded by drunken monkeys.
- insecure. you can find an exploit for dozens of plugins or even for the core
- has footprints and it has loads of them so u get tons of spam and possibly hacker attacks
- most plugins and/or themes are coded by monkeys on LSD (part of an alien experiment). translation: any idot codes plugins fo it because is simple to learn to do it so they do a crappy job in terms of performance and architecture
Pros:
- very popular, you can easily setup a rather basic site without knowing how to code
- relatively easy to learn it's API compared to others
- flexible enough for most cases even advanced ones, however the more complex you go the slower it gets

Drupal:
Cons:
- hard to learn
- very hard to master
- cumbersome to manage a drupal site in comparison to a WP site or Joomla
- so powerful that it is slow for simple sites (as in slower than it should be) but there's no way around it if u want that power.
- no nice themes and not as many
- makes almost no sense to use it if you dont do custom coding for it
- personally i find it usable only with a decent VPS or dedicated server bc it is rather slow
Pros:
- gorgeous architecture for such a huge app. hats off to the devs and contributors
- plugins are well coded in most cases. coders of both the core and the plugins are more skilled than WP users generally speaking and they integrate everything rather nicely.
- more tied togheter community than WP - they will combine projects and work togheter if it makes more sense as opposed to what happens to WP plugin devs.
- "distros" for various needs
- significantly more SEO friendly than WP out of the box and also in terms of potential
- significantly fewer footprints and most can be eliminated easily

joomla: i have extremely limited experience with it but personally what i can say is not worth it - either go for Drupal or WP


Best choice: custom coded stuff!
there are times when i use WP becausei need a blog-style or magazine style site. it's easy and fast to deploy and im ok with it. however I won't try to turn a piece of crap into a diamond - you simply cant. for custom requirements i do custom coding. that means all spam/bh platforms i have are custom coded.

If u really choose to go for WP then I recommend you to read and implement the stuff in WordPress security book written by the dude behind VPSBible. Will significantly reduce your comment spam and chances to get hacked.

Also for seo related info and WP, read my in-depth guide on the topic (you probably want to read it even if you dont use WP):

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-search-engine-optimization-optimization.html

 

[Sam Woods]

Although Wordpress has been coded by countless programmers, causing a few holes - I think it is the best option.

The thing with plugins is that yes, lots of them are awfully put together, but there are some real gems out there - If drupal & friends had as many plugins as WP, it would have the same issue.

 

[madoctopus]

Although Wordpress has been coded by countless programmers, causing a few holes - I think it is the best option.

The thing with plugins is that yes, lots of them are awfully put together, but there are some real gems out there - If drupal & friends had as many plugins as WP, it would have the same issue.

Ever heard of "quality not quantity"? Do you think you ever need to have 10000 plugins on a single live site? Also, I'm pretty sure Drupal has 22010 plugins and WP has 25233. Not that much of a difference.

 

[Sam Woods]

Ever heard of "quality not quantity"? Do you think you ever need to have 10000 plugins on a single live site? Also, I'm pretty sure Drupal has 22010 plugins and WP has 25233. Not that much of a difference.

I stand corrected on the numbers... But there's more WP plugins than that, those are just the free ones on WP.org
There are very useful and well coded plugins for WP, but yes there are ones that should just be burned.

I still prefer WP though, maybe because I've been using it for so long.

 

[Conor]

I still prefer WP though, maybe because I've been using it for so long.

^ This
It's second nature to me. Wordpress all the way.

 

[madoctopus]

I stand corrected on the numbers... But there's more WP plugins than that, those are just the free ones on WP.org
There are very useful and well coded plugins for WP, but yes there are ones that should just be burned.

I still prefer WP though, maybe because I've been using it for so long.

I prefer WP too in most cases over Drupal. But thas just me for my particular needs. Thing is the question which is better is a bad question. It all depends what you need and prefer. Is a matter of right tool for the job.

 

[ahweb]

I have been using Joomla (mambo in the old days) for client sites since 2006. Probably have built around 100 client sites with it. I think I could say that I know it pretty well know. I have have also done many projects using drupal, magento and wordpress.

Up until recently, wordpress was never a consideration for new client projects. In fact, if the client had an existing wordpress site, I would usually try to sell them on the benefits of "upgrading" to a real CMS (yes, wp is blog platform). Joomla had been my goto platform. I could build anything with it. Ecommerce store, private community/social network, biz directory/marketplace or more content heavy video/music site (youtube, last.fm clone, etc), ezine, newspaper sites, contest sites. On and on. You name it. I never came across a project that needed something that didn't already have an extension(s) for it or something close enough that a few tweaks and the right combo couldn't accommodate. Of course the trick with combining extensions in Joomla is that not all of them are created with the same level of skill or compatibility. Component integration was always the big cookie to overcome.

For a long time Drupal was regarded as the superior platform, not because of its security, but mainly because of its native nature for creating content types (CCK). Joomla now has a number of really good extensions that give it pretty much the same capability. This is the one area that will always keep Wordpress as a basic/simple functional platform (unless you really hack/customize it, which kind of defeats the point of using its ease of use). But that is ok.

In the end, they each have there place. Drupal when you have the budget. Joomla for most small businesses, Magento for serious e-commerce (although it is often overkill) and Wordpress for everything else.

 

[instalikes]

Drupal, most powerful but ultimately most difficult. Wordpress best for beginners. Joomla somewhere in between the two.

 

[youtalkmedia]

You guys keep saying that wordpress is super easy to use and cannot do complex things...

Honestly you guys must not know any code... Sure the CMS in joomla and drupal SHOWS you where you can do more advanced things... but if you know your way around wordpress you can make it do ANYTHING.

If you know your PHP and can read through the wordpress files you can make any type of plugin you would like, and make a wordpress page look/feel however you want it to.

That being said... Personally I use wordpress for every site that I do not need a lot of complex functions on. I make code from scratch on any site that I am worried about security, and need more advanced options on.

 

[GoForJacob]

Honestly, it comes down to preference. You can have WordPress sites that deliver billions of impressions (I.E. Hello Bar) and Drupal sites that can't handle a load of 30,000 people a month.

It comes down to how well coded the site is and how well optimized it is.

With that being said, my personal opinion is this:

WordPress and Drupal are both wonderful. WordPress is growing every day and Drupal has a community of strong developers.

Joomla is bloated and slow and I hate how it makes requests.

Jacob out!

 

[nico2727]

i thing both wordpress and joomla, but i would vote for joomla , i ve never used drupal joomla and wordpress are more accessible to beginners and drupal to developers

 

[ProfitGoblin]

I found Joomla and Drupal show a lot of more advanced features when you first install them, they certainly feel a bit less intuitive than WP. But once you get going with WP you generally realize that if coded well, the platform can do almost anything. Some of the stuff WooThemes produce for example is absolutely top notch.

 

[thefalloftroy]

I've used all 3 and I prefer WordPress hands down.

To be fair, it's been a couple of months since I last used a Drupal site, and maybe a year or more since Joomla (in other words, I'm sure lots has changed since I've used them)...but I use WP consistently and love it (maybe it's just a familiarity thing). I agree that WP is more straightforward than Drupal, but if you know PHP it's easy to write some pretty powerful addons for it. I also really like the support-base that exists for WP - I've used their support forums for help many times in the past and it's a great community...I've never used Drupal support, so I can't say if it's the same, better, or worse. But for me, WP is definitely the preferred choice!

 

[Debugger]

This thread is awesome..Especially read the comments from evilclown and madoctopus and ahweb.
Thanks it is really helpful advice

 

[bassboy]

If I want to slap together a quick good looking site and have it online in a few hours, you can't go past wordpress. I also use wordpress for clients sites who want to manage their own content.

i used to use joomla a fair bit but have lost interest in it.

Drupal I have never used, but plan to, going to be starting on a new clients site soon that I will build in that, more as a learning thing.

i think it all depends on what you want to achieve is to what you will use and personal preference, at the end of the day they can all perform almost all the same.

but I still enjoy being able to open notepad++ smash out HTML then open the thousands of characters in a browser and see it all come to life...

 

[wanderer1]

Now I need to say that sites done in WP will suffer the sandbox effect from Google. Is so overused Google Algorithm can see every inch of a new website built in WordPress. Yes, it can see Joomla, and ExpressionEngine, and Drupal. But the over usage of WP has give so much to the algo managers. This is true ask many site owners about their joomla site, how it's performing. A well built site in another platform besides WP would tent to be less tagged. Why you think a WP site requires hundreds of content to rank higher compare to a site with 5 pages?

Do you have any proof of that? You read that somewhere or you came to this conclusion by testing. I'm not saying it's not true, just want to find some more info on this subject.

I read in a few threads on this forum that google actually loves wp.