Dont show us results, show us how its done you gurus.
Exactly, secret sauce people..spill it! /sarcasm
But in all seriousness, you're going to have different groups of users on here:
1) The POWER USER: you know (or might not) know who they are. They have every tool in the book, know how to tier out backlinks, which web 2.0 properties to glean authority from, and how to spin content so well it might have been written by the hand of christ himself. At the end of the day, this stuff still isn't blackhat. It's gaming the system based on the algo code which Google has dictated to us over all these years. Some of these guys are constantly making new sites or modifying current ones to match monthly/quarterly updates by Google to adjust on the fly to this algo. These people are great SEO people because they work at the game. And this game is SEO, not blackhatting.
2) The NOOB: lol, look around you. There are a TON of them on here..from all different types of countries as well- including mine the grand 'ole United States of America. Back in the day when it made sense to go there because it was actually a good hub for discussion, the problem blew up at digital point when DP was targeted as the SEO service king center of the WORLD. The noob influx was incredible to the point that it was just time to leave. Get in the car, sit down, buckle up, throw it into gear and get the fuck out of Dodge. I mean don't kid yourself if you think to yourself "oh, it wasn't THAT bad". No. It was. Really. It didn't help that you had Indians, Philipinos coming en masse in fucking droves to drive service offering prices down to shit levels...and along with that was the quality. That's not a racist view, that's a geocentric perspective based on market value of services being offered. But hey, if someone wants to pay for "x" percentage quality..I get it...but the point is with a lot of these new service providers came everyones uncle, aunt, and brother who wants to know why:
"Hell, please tell me why I no rank for the term COKE"
"Has anyone heard of Senuke, and is it good? Will it rank my site number 1?"
"What is the best seo program?"
"Free whatchamacallit tool??! Does anyone know where i can get the BEST free yadda yadda yadda???"
"Dropship from here?!?"
"How to build quality links?"
"5 ways to improve your seo"..and then the idiot posting the thread reposts an article blasted to over a million article directories like it was some deep nugget of truth to share with everyone....
but back on point, yea, noobs gotta start someplace..I just wished we confined them to their own subforum so that some of the big boys of the industry can go play in their own sandbox. But then, that's what the VIP areas of the online world are used for?
3) The ASK-A-MILLION-QUESTIONS-GUY-ABOUT-POPULAR-PRODUCTS-BUT-DONT-HAVE-THE-TIME-TO-READ-THE-WHOLE-FUCKING-THREAD - See number 2. But honestly, these guys will never get it. The idea of a "GURU" is fucking mystical to them.
4) The UNDERGROUND PEEPS: Ahh, the secret bunch. Now we're talking. They talk mainly through PM's mostly..trade tidbits here and there with like minded individuals. It's not terribly hard to spot the GOOD folks of tradecraft on this forum when they pop up in threads. Here's the interesting thing: we all bash the WarriorForum, and rightly so, but there are a bunch of us here who use that place for our own devices and wear many hats/monikers. The underground people have been around for a while and have come up through the ranks so to speak. We do NOT shun areas of the web because of reputation. We actually may see a use for some of these sites when others just bash them because it's the cool thing to do. So the very people we revere over here, also have a place over there at that table. Mind boggling, isn't it?
You know why cattle ranchers make a killing, literaly and figuratively? Because they raise and slaughter their profit and control when and where it takes place. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's so damn easy. When you have a million noobs in one area looking to take handouts of info from anyone who can put together what remotely looks like the profile of a guru to them, and then the guru leads them around by their hand all the while planting seeds of "list growing" and telling them "what products they need to own", its no wonder how and why it works. Just another way to make money. I literally can't stand the term GURU and want to faceplant anyone who uses it, but truth be told folks, these guys make BANK because they get it. Hate them or love them, their profit tunnel was built on the backs of others and they learned what works and what doesn't inside the INTERNET MARKETING game.
But back on point, the underground peeps are usually the brightest and the most innovative of the bunch versus the other 95.5% bunch of SENUKE/BACKLINK kiddies on here. Secret sauce stuff DOES exist, but again..some of it is REAL blackhat shit that most of you reading this have absolutely no business in ever touching. EVER. If you could push button some of the shit out there, it would do tons of real damage in the hands of an amateur. Or it would raise the awareness levels of certain things, that if exposed, would drop the curtain for everyone who was hiding behind it doing their own thing.
Really, do you want to know how to inject your code into wordpress sites and piggyback on the doorgenerator pages deployed over a 1000 different stagnant version 2 or 3 wordpress installations? Do you feel comfortable making a buck like that? That shit will get you ranked REAL fast, but the come down is pretty bad too once you fuck up and leave an audit trail pointing back to you or your "service provider" or "va" who is doing it for you. The profit potential is all there, but the risk liability is as well.
5) The NORMAL dude: this is pretty much everyone else that has to read the forum base with their bullshit filters turned on high. All most of us want to know is how to position our web properties appropriately and to gleam the knowledge to rank our stuff higher..i mean, that is the name of the game right? We don't build sites for fun because if we did, I'd tell you to get your geek ass outside and go find something else to do LOL. Some folks do it to make $5 a day and others go after the whole nut - $1k a day or more. Again, global perspective is such that people can live, actually subsist off of sites that earn $10/day. I'm not naive. But in the end, we're here to make money no matter how much and how it fits our needs. How we all get there is another story all together.
I can tell you how I ranked my last site that I built 2 months ago to get it to number 2 in a highly competitive marketspace jammed to the gills with the big boys. I could. But here's a little nugget of TRUTH: what worked for me probably will NOT work for you due to the specific circumstances of my niche, and the amount of work that had to be done to get there specifically for that site. Why do you think that people hire SEO practitioners who charge XXX amount to : analyze, implement, test, adjust, create content and track metrics for a client site over a period of time?
No really, why do you think people do that? BECAUSE it's real world analysis of a position point to extrapolate on and determine what the best course of action is to do x,y and z with that website. You do not find that level of info in a backlinking tool. Ever. If you think it's one click and go bring me da money, I've got news for you.
But wait, you may tell me "Shut it dude, i'm making money with senuke and this tool and that tool, you don't know shit". Yea, good for you bud, I'm literally yawning when I hear people saying that. You know why? Perspective. Come back and tell me when you've scaled your operations to have to handle several paypal accounts, adsense accounts, had to open a couple of llc's to deal with the ad network people and have invested multiple thousands of dollars in actual hardware investment in your own dell and hp servers on a fiber backbone in a colo just so you can run your own proxies among other things.
I'm not saying backlinking tools don't work, but they're just a tool like medicine attempts to treat the symptom, not the cause. In the end, all you may be is small potatos due perspective. Your willingness may be there, but if you think buying one tool will help you "rank number 1" you're in the wrong game pal, and definitely in the wrong forum to ramp up knowledge wise...in my humble opinion. You are best served by:
1) Shutting your mouth (figuritavely) and reading everything you can from reputable members on here
2) Using the search box on top of the page for questions you have about things
3) Actually thinking before you speak and asking the forumbase that same fucking question that has been asked and answered about a million times
4) Understanding the basic principles of what "search engine optimization" actually is before you A) ask the question and B) buy another tool to use
That's it. You want to know how to win? Right there. Peel it, cook it up, eat it, and leave the table stuffed.
Rhetorically speaking, does it really matter to anyone that I had 20 tier 3 articles pointed to 40 tier 2 web properties which were then pointed to 10 specific tier one properties which ultimately got drip fed into several social postings over a period of time? I'd posit: no. Again, it worked for me because i did the actual SEO analysis to affect what I thought were the weak points in the rest of the authority serps to position my site.
There is
NO magic formula, no matter what the software package/creator/seller tells you. I love this place because there are a lot of great tools from developers, mostly active on here, that really work. But don't be fooled by the copy being used to sell the product. Do work flow analysis. Ask yourself if this tool will actually help you as part of the process to do x,y,z. Do an ROI analysis..will it help you save/make money? Can you outsource what you need to do and still come out ahead or will it make more sense to own it based on you have to promote and the scale that you need? I've been in the software game before, and I gotta be honest, it's pretty damn lucrative if one of your tools take off in popularity. Sure, you need good customer handling skills and framework in place, a roadmap to code to, scope creep to be managed and code that actually WORKS, but the money is there for good devs. Little tidbit of info before I get off this rant, lol, during the gold rush of the 1890's in the United States, who do you think made the most money? It wasn't the actual gold miners, of which there were MANY running out to the western United States to prospect and get rich.
Nope, it was the dude at entrance of the mine selling the shovels.
Swill that in your mouth a bit before swallowing
You need to test, analyze, redeploy, build and test again. Once you replicate a formula that works for you, run with it and own it. That my friends is the ONLY way to make all this shit work for you, no matter if you have 1 "blackhat" tool, or all of them in your arsenal. Get out there and pull that trigger.
There, some "guru" advice from someone who absolutely loathes that term (because I see through it for what it actually is and what's going on in terms of manipulation). The underground peeps wont say shit to the public, and those smart web marketers who figured out what works will either keep it to themselves or sell it as a 20 page ebook on WF to make some quick coin once the technique has died out.
What I personally find this forum really good for, is the discussion of the stuff behind the scenes and trying to "group analyze" what Google is doing either on their pre-prod index or their actual production index of which we're all affected by. We know, or think we do, what Google bases an index position on for any given site, but pay attention to those posters who try to deep dive analyze it and then help contribute to that discussion. Or if you see a tool that could benefit from a really great idea, suggest it up because it may make sense to add it in from which we can all benefit. I did a request recently for I think, Backlink Miner, that I hope the devs incorporate. It could potentially make them a lot of money and give us more insight into how Google does what it does.
The other thing I find this site good for, isn't so much the actual techniques for making money, because y'all need to be honest with yourselves, no one in their right mind would give up what works for them only to have some guy spread the word and saturate the living hell out of it. Right? Let's not bullshit ourselves. Although every once in a while a noob will create a thread about making $5 a day and spill the beans about everything..LOL..god bless them, they know not what they do
BUT, you can still read and absorb what posted techniques are here and look to come in at another angle with the posted technique. Thinking outside the box and integrating partial ideas about what's been discussed into your own means and methods. That's the good stuff right there. If anything, it's just another way to make money on the other seo websites once you regurgitate and throw it all up back into a 20 page pdf proclaiming your "This Noob Makes 4,424$ a day Using THIS EXACT TECHNIQUE!". Not hating the game, just telling it like it is.
