Pokerbots - anybody had success?

You can win only in poker game. To win in roulette in the long run is impossible.

It is also possible to win in Blackjack if you are using deposit bonuses offered by many online casinos today, as blackjack has the lowest house edge of casino games.

If you don't have any bonus to wager, your statement is true.
 
I've worked with some associates on automated pokerbots for a couple years. It is actually extremely, extremely difficult to make one that can be successful long term.

Number of problems you will run into:
1) Gameplay changes on every variation of the different limits, as well as the table sizes.

2) You need to track, log, and record the past history of the players you are currently sitting at the table with. Then you need to compute this data in a way the bot understands so it doesn't fold to crazy bluffers, or those who only bet with good hands.

3) You need to add variables to your gameplay, ones that win. It's extremely easy to catch onto a "if I do this, this person does this" action, you can't fall victim to that.

4) Sitting at the table too long, and the money dries up, and people change their gameplay as well as further understand your gameplay. Thus your bot needs to know when to leave, and what tables to join.

5) Testing. You need to run about 15,000+ hands before you can accurately analyze the way your bot will play long term, and can only then make the appropriate adjustments. It's both costly and time consuming to do this over and over and over.

Of course there are tons of other problems you will run into, but it is far from an easy task.

EDIT: I just saw that you were talking about buying someone elses poker bot. STAY AWAY FROM BUYING A POKER BOT! They are worthless. Pathetically, pathetically worthless.
 
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Chance of winning with roulette is biger than fail...
Just bet on the same color and with every bet increse it... if you loose 5 times put all in on the sixt time because posibility that it goes six times the same color is one in a thousand...

You stand a better change of winning money at Russian Roulette than you do at Roulette.
 
Tommy has valid points. However, any poker bot worth buying has custom profile coding.

In case you are seriously interested in making cash using poker bots, I definitely recommend you buy a poker bot from bonusbots or downloading it off TPB.

Playing the lower limits needs nothing but basic ABC poker. A bot can be coded to play this strategy profitable.

There are lots of different custom profiles which are working at the bonusbots forum. Take a look at them, make a small (about $50) deposit and test them yourself. I know I am making over $1000 every month with the bot.
 
there is a decent bot for omaha that will make moey, however I can figure out when I am playing one....
 
Regarding the roulette system, the chanses are not 50% becuse you have
Red/Black/and the green one wich is Zero then what does that leave you?
yes with 33%.
 
With roulette the house edge on ANY number/combo/color is 5.26% (0,00,1,2,3, is actually more) so if you have to wager 20 times the deposit

$200 deposit
$200 bonus
$4000 wages
$1 bet is $.0526 per bet

or $4000 x 5.26% = $210.40

So each bonus you go after, if 100%, will lose you $10.40. However I have seen some casino's offering more than 100% but I am sure they compensate the play-through requirements.

I did this with blackjack a couple years ago and made a little money here and there but in the end you are not going to make any money. If you have $200 to put in a casino you should go spend it on something better.
 
I've played plenty of online poker and trust me, it's damn easy to tell when your playing a bot. With enough experience, I've seen some people find holes in the bots game and just take all of its money. This was over at Fu*ll Til*t, not sure about other places though. The one advantage that a bot has over real players (this is why you see some bots make the money) is the emotional part of the game. Players will start to tilt after a "bad beat" or missed flush and start to play badly, sometimes without even realizing it. The bot obviously won't tilt hence it plays the same no matter what.
 
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I've played plenty of online poker and trust me, it's damn easy to tell when your playing a bot. With enough experience, I've seen some people find holes in the bots game and just take all of its money. This was over at Fu*ll Til*t, not sure about other places though. The one advantage that a bot has over real players (this is why you see some bots make the money) is the emotional part of the game. Players will start to tilt after a "bad beat" or missed flush and start to play badly, sometimes without even realizing it. The bot obviously won't tilt hence it plays the same no matter what.

Yes it is very important to constantly improve the settings of your bot to patch any leak that could cause the bot lose some of its BR.
 
I've worked with some associates on automated pokerbots for a couple years. It is actually extremely, extremely difficult to make one that can be successful long term.

Number of problems you will run into:
1) Gameplay changes on every variation of the different limits, as well as the table sizes.

2) You need to track, log, and record the past history of the players you are currently sitting at the table with. Then you need to compute this data in a way the bot understands so it doesn't fold to crazy bluffers, or those who only bet with good hands.

3) You need to add variables to your gameplay, ones that win. It's extremely easy to catch onto a "if I do this, this person does this" action, you can't fall victim to that.

4) Sitting at the table too long, and the money dries up, and people change their gameplay as well as further understand your gameplay. Thus your bot needs to know when to leave, and what tables to join.

5) Testing. You need to run about 15,000+ hands before you can accurately analyze the way your bot will play long term, and can only then make the appropriate adjustments. It's both costly and time consuming to do this over and over and over.

Of course there are tons of other problems you will run into, but it is far from an easy task.

Just out of interest, were you developing a bot using the winholdem framework?
 
Yup, that's where I got started.

I've heard lots of good things about it but the prices of some of the "ready-to-use" bots some members are selling are just ridiculous IMO. I know I have had success with the poker bot from bonusbots, which is only $150 which I didn't pay a dime for.
 
Like Tom I originally used winholdem before moving on to openholdem (which I guess he did too) and I'd echo what he said - it is very difficult to build a long term profitable bot for cash ring games.

Part of the problem is that it is theoretically very difficult to deal with the multi player environment. The forefront of poker AI research is in heads up (one on one) games where it is possible to take a game theoretic approach. This is very successful and the best bots can beat good players. However in the chaos of a multi player ring game this approach does not work and it is difficult to find the signal in the noise of all the player actions. As Tom mentioned subtle changes in the way players react (in different limits / as play develops) is incredibly hard for a bot to cope with. The real bitch though is variance. You can have a bot that seems to be winning for 5000 hands only to realise that after 20000 it's a loser which was on a lucky streak.

However there are ways around these problems and it is possible to build a modestly successful bot by sticking to particular parameters. Then you run into a whole different game of trying to scale up the play while remaining undetected by the poker rooms.

Where I've had the most success is using bots a little differently. An example is programming a bot to use the small stack strategy (google it) and use a meta-bot to control your bot entering and exiting tables. This is a much simpler strategy to program and is also much more difficult for opponents to adapt to.

Sorry if I rambled a bit - I think it's an interesting topic, but quite a hard way to make some easy money ;)
 
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Forgot to mention that in my experience it's also true that any bought poker bot will be garbage (and I've seen a few) and I'd really advise everyone to stay clear of them.

If you really want to learn about the subject check out the openholdem forums, the old winholdem forums and the University of Alberta Poker Group.
 
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It seems that the most profitable bots are found in Heads Up Limit Hold 'Em (HU LHE) games. I would love to create a HU LHE bot that uses game theory to make it's decisions. It would play a game that balances it's hand distributions based on how the opponent plays: If the opponent is raising his button 75% of the time, then my bot will call from the BB 75% of the time. The problem I see is with postflop play... How do you write a bot that plays well after the flop?
 
Chance of winning with roulette is biger than fail...
Just bet on the same color and with every bet increse it... if you loose 5 times put all in on the sixt time because posibility that it goes six times the same color is one in a thousand...

take a probability class, this reasoning is flawed
 
It seems that the most profitable bots are found in Heads Up Limit Hold 'Em (HU LHE) games. I would love to create a HU LHE bot that uses game theory to make it's decisions. It would play a game that balances it's hand distributions based on how the opponent plays: If the opponent is raising his button 75% of the time, then my bot will call from the BB 75% of the time. The problem I see is with postflop play... How do you write a bot that plays well after the flop?

"The problem I see is with postflop play.."

That's why it only works on low stake limit players.

Already done, but I can't remember the name. Most of the profitable botters from the old OPI forums made their own software and site. You pretty much set up the profile and it can also use your database from Poker Tracker to make decisions depending on the player type. You can set everything you can think of to make it play based on theory's as you say. Pretty sure it's like open holdem bot or something. Those guys know their stuff and have been making money botting low limit games for years. Wish I could find some old pics, some of them have 20 pcs in their houses rotating accounts and sites so each account only plays like 8 hours a day. Auto table changers where it will sit out if table gets low and go pick a new one.

If no one can find it I'll look through my old mails from Jester's Court.

Just noticed a few guys already said it but yeah 'openholdem' is where you want to go.
 
Does anybody have bots for Roulette or (eve nbetter) blackjack? With bot counting cards this would be 90% beatable..
 
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