Hurricane Sandy Monetization

[Jeppe]

Only laws keep this world sane. As it was all the time in history, morals always get overtaken by greedy and used on the masses to get profits for themselves. Morals not for everyone. Laws are.

While laws do serve a purpose in maintaining order and structure to our complex world, they will however always discriminate. To acknowledge the law basically means to acknowledge you are indeed not free, and that some higher entity has a claim over your life. If they don't like what you do, they'll lock you up like a cage animal.

Law makers are humans too at the end of the day, what gives them the right to rule over someone else's life and lock them up in a cage if they dislike what they do? These people who make these laws are no more 'moral' than me or you.

 

[mrtwister_65]

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But leaving the security of others to the standards of the one's morals is not the chance we can take.

 

[Jeppe]

But leaving the security of others to the standards of the one's morals is not the chance we can take.

We believe those like the police are of higher moral fiber than us. This is all mind conditioning and phycological manipulation, like their morals some how change every time they put on their costume. It wasn't so long ago that police were extremely racist. There still is lots of police brutality all across the world.

Just like government, we think they have our best interests at heart only to find out their all liars and hypocrites. All out to perpetuate an elaborate illusion and act.

 

[rockong]

when i first clicked on the link..i thought it was going to be somebody sharing ways to monetize victims and i was going to go nuts (cuz i'm in the hurricane sandy area)

glad a BHW member DIDNT DO THAT

but yeah..the world is full of scammers..what can we do :/

 

[Jeppe]

when i first clicked on the link..i thought it was going to be somebody sharing ways to monetize victims and i was going to go nuts (cuz i'm in the hurricane sandy area)

glad a BHW member DIDNT DO THAT

but yeah..the world is full of scammers..what can we do :/

The fact of the matter is there's no need to scam people. Making money legitimately is just as hard as ripping people off. It's actually easier to make money legitimately since you'll be swapping what humans don't do naturally (stealing) for what we do naturally (helping people).

Most CPA offers burn out because they are scams, weight loss scams, fake sweepstakes and penny bid sites where nobody wins anything etc etc.

Whereas if you actually helped people, then people would spread the word for you and recommend your skill-set to others. I mean how many times have you heard a recommendations from someone who had a good experience with a product or service? If it converts it's all free business, which beats PPC campaigns all day long.

Building a real business is like building a solid house, scamming people is like stacking bricks one on top of the other until they all fall over. If they both require the same level of effort why not just do things legit?

 

[antsaoo]

Well i got to agree that in universal level there is no right and wrong. if you kill someone you are most likely giving someone else better chance. If you get the job someone else doesn't, as fucked up it is ,its the way shit runs in this universum. After all we are all just uncountable pile of particles.

Though its not fun to scam people who already get fucked up. But hey, thats what they do in africa too, i mean only like 10% of the donations really get to where they are supposed to, rest are taken by the all kinds of middlemen.

 

[matessim]

Spoken like a true communist.

spoken like someone that doesn't know what communism is.

 

[LeadKitchen]

We have black hats - not black hearts. It is fine to game the
search engines and the Social Media sites, but making bank
on human tragedy and disaster is just plain wrong.

"Wiz"

Yea this is just not right. This storm cost Me, my Family and Friends a lot of hard ache. For someone to even think of making money on this should come visit NY and Jersey. When you see all the people with no homes and no food you would feel ashamed.


Someone needs a reality check.

 

[mrjamez]

Yea this is just not right. This storm cost Me, my Family and Friends a lot of hard ache. For someone to even think of making money on this should come visit NY and Jersey. When you see all the people with no homes and no food you would feel ashamed.


Someone needs a reality check.

i fully agree

 

[Jeppe]

spoken like someone that doesn't know what communism is.

I probably know more about political and economic systems than you know about yourself. Good luck if you want to start that argument!

 

[_swes_]

I actually made a page that went viral about the hurricane, so I guess I could say I monetized it. Haven't pushed any offers through yet, but I do plan to use the traffic sometime soon.

But, I'd like to ask you guys one question. Isn't "blackhat" gaming something. And since this was a oppurtunity to get some targeted leads, heck, you might as well game it and bank. Well, that's just my 2 cents.

 

[Jeppe]

I actually made a page that went viral about the hurricane, so I guess I could say I monetized it. Haven't pushed any offers through yet, but I do plan to use the traffic sometime soon.

But, I'd like to ask you guys one question. Isn't "blackhat" gaming something. And since this was a oppurtunity to get some targeted leads, heck, you might as well game it and bank. Well, that's just my 2 cents.

Black hat, is basically a computer criminal that breaks into a computer network for their own personal gain or otherwise. Monetizing a disaster is by no means illegal, no laws have been broken. Therefore it's totally legit, but some would see it as unethical. Just like if I was selling dead dogs to be eaten in the Chinese market.

Some would seem this as immoral, but that's simply because we keep dogs as pets in the west. If keeping and walking sheep was socially acceptable I'm sure people would see it as immoral to eat sheep.

This goes back to my original argument of morals being totally subjective. I mean in Iran it's totally socially acceptable to be hanging people in public for being gay. They totally believe that being gay is immoral and that hanging gay people to death is totally moral.

Most people here mistake black hat for fraud, faking a testimonial or a earnings screenshot is not black hat it is however fraud. It might be a low level of fraud, but is is still fraud.

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In the United States, common law recognizes nine elements constituting fraud:[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP]

1. a representation of an existing fact;
2. its materiality;
3. its falsity;
4. the speaker's knowledge of its falsity;
5. the speaker's intent that it shall be acted upon by the plaintiff;
6. the plaintiff's ignorance of its falsity;
7. the plaintiff's reliance on the truth of the representation;
8. the plaintiff's right to rely upon it; and
9. consequent damages suffered by the plaintiff.

To establish a claim of fraud, most jurisdictions in the United States require that each element be pled with particularity and be proved with clear, cogent, and convincing evidence (very probable evidence). The measure of damages in fraud cases is computed using the "benefit of bargain" rule, which is the difference between the value of the property had it been as represented and its actual value. Special damages may be allowed if shown proximately caused by defendant's fraud and the damage amounts are proved with specificity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

 

[LakeForest]

I was watching something on CNN last night about scammers who take advantage of people going through disasters such as Sandy. They said scammers register names of hurricanes when the lists comes out. The entire segment read like a critique of black hat techniques, but I felt better because CNN was upset at people setting up donation sites.

There's a difference between monetizing a disaster with something like readiness preparation packages/first aid and stealing donations. This is simply business, and every single entity does this.

In fact, CNN was criticizing the Red Cross for being opportunistic themselves in the case of Sandy. They generally use natural disasters as ways of creating a general feeling of fear and a desire to help and will collect funds during Sandy to use for other emergencies.

People have been criticizing the Red Cross for not delivering service or support to communities that need it, while the donations keep coming in and the executives keep getting their large salaries.

Even with official help, people are getting scammed. This isn't a BHW issue, this is a humanity issue. No drama.

I mean how many times have you heard a recommendations from someone who had a good experience with a product or service?

Actually, people will tell on average 10 people when they have a negative review of a product to 1 who gives a favorable review. Marketing is weird. It does make sense, but it's an uncomfortable logic.



Because I saw a post: In regards to law, if you think a law makes you less free, you're behaving on a punishment principal where you believe you have not given the government your consent to govern. If this is the case, either break the law, or study to gain understanding of why there is a civic structure. In any case, we are born and we die, we need to eat and remove waste; we are bound by laws and a higher power. This is fact. This is not slavery.

Speaking in terms of morality: Even if you believe in subjective morality (such as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"), there still needs to be a recognition that the world around us which, as far as we know, doesn't make subjective choices.

If you look at any law, it was created with the intention to conserve and invest energy in as controlled and orderly a way as possible. Who controls and interprets that law, or how they go about organizing its execution, is subjective.

Surely, then, between this dichotomy of self-serving attitudes via the supposedly-selfless ideology of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and the absolutely inescapable universal laws that govern us is a middle ground: the choice to try to reconcile the paradox between individual intention and desire with obligation.

Morality is a sign of being conscious of yourself and your surroundings, it's not a label for choices.

 

[Jeppe]

I was watching something on CNN last night about scammers who take advantage of people going through disasters such as Sandy. They said scammers register names of hurricanes when the lists comes out. The entire segment read like a critique of black hat techniques, but I felt better because CNN was upset at people setting up donation sites.

There's a difference between monetizing a disaster with something like readiness preparation packages/first aid and stealing donations. This is simply business, and every single entity does this.

In fact, CNN was criticizing the Red Cross for being opportunistic themselves in the case of Sandy. They generally use natural disasters as ways of creating a general feeling of fear and a desire to help and will collect funds during Sandy to use for other emergencies.

People have been criticizing the Red Cross for not delivering service or support to communities that need it, while the donations keep coming in and the executives keep getting their large salaries.

You hit a nail on the head there. This is exactly why I do not fill those charity bags with clothes any more. If you look closely, it's often a 3rd party for-profit company controlling the collection and distribution of the bags. They also give as little as 5-10% of the proceeds to the charity advertised. Now there's a scam if there ever was one. The sick thing is, this is totally legal. Since it's all in the small print often hidden on the bag somewhere.

Actually, people will tell on average 10 people when they have a negative review of a product to 1 who gives a favorable review. Marketing is weird. It does make sense, but it's an uncomfortable logic.

I agree, heck even more reason to want to go legit. Trying to manage your reputation online and keep it cleans is a right old headache. Unless you like consistently spinning your wheels, having to change your domain/brand just to keep yourself clean - knock yourself out! But, If you want to build something where you actually have the ability to challenge, and put right negativity then building a real online business is the way to go.

Because I saw a post: In regards to law, if you think a law makes you less free, you're behaving on a punishment principal where you believe you have not given the government your consent to govern. If this is the case, either break the law, or study to gain understanding of why there is a civic structure. In any case, we are born and we die, we need to eat and remove waste; we are bound by laws and a higher power. This is fact. This is not slavery.

Speaking in terms of morality: Even if you believe in subjective morality (such as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"), there still needs to be a recognition that the world around us which, as far as we know, doesn't make subjective choices.

If you look at any law, it was created with the intention to conserve and invest energy in as controlled and orderly a way as possible. Who controls and interprets that law, or how they go about organizing its execution, is subjective.

Surely, then, between this dichotomy of self-serving attitudes via the supposedly-selfless ideology of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and the absolutely inescapable universal laws that govern us is a middle ground: the choice to try to reconcile the paradox between individual intention and desire with obligation.

Morality is a sign of being conscious of yourself and your surroundings, it's not a label for choices.

Well laws do make you less free, that's fact. Most would argue it's a necessary evil, just like taxation. It's like Obama vs Romney, one group of people are voting to steal from the other. Someone is going to lose. Now the socialist has got another 4 years, it's the wealthy who are going to have more of their earnings taxed or stolen.

It'd argue we have a system now that's slavery by proxy, aka drive you into certain conditions that force your to enslave yourself. Such as not paying people a living wage, driving them into massive debt which ultimately drives people to enslave themselves to survive. Obviously direct slavery wouldn't work in this era for very long, so you create systems and conditions that drive into certain actions. Now of course we live in a free market, nobody is putting a gun to your head for your electric bill. But, is living in the street, hungary and cold a better alternative?

People respect laws and have morals because we (most of us) respect property rights. It's what stops everything turning into total anarchy.