I need to learn "legit" seo

[theseodude]

Hello
I have been doing seo for the past 3 years. Usually, I have done web 2.0's + scrapebox + xrumer...because these were my own sites and I didn't care if I got spam reports or whatnot.
But now, I am negotiating with a client who may use me for his site's seo. I can't spam any more because I don't want to risk getting my client (and myself) in trouble.
So I am looking to find out what "legit" seo companies do. I have checked the backlinks for some sites that I know hired SEO services and they all seem to be posting to these private, high PR websites. It is not like BMR though, these seem more private. And they rank very well. But what I can't figure out is how they post to these sites.
So let's say money is not an issue and I can spend as much as I like. Which programs do you recommend for some effective, legit link building for my client's site?

 

[spids]

If youv'e really been doing SEO for 3 years you should already have good knowledge of what legit SEO is. This by the way is a blackhat forum and we dont take too kindly to legit SEO round here

 

[qu1ck]

there's no such thing as legit seo. Google wants natural backlinks, not bought, not posted, natural. That's all. Everything else is blackhat.

You're supposed to setup a site, write content, target a keyword and then twiddle your thumbs and hope for someone to link to it. That's the way google wants it, anyway.

 

[Getwhatchuwant]

I work for a legit company that does SEO and I will tell you it is pretty basic.

The main link building strategy is guest posts on High PR, High Authority blogs and websites. Seems pretty straightforward but you need HIGH quality content for these bloggers to accept your content. For instance I have an assistant that helps with the outreach, we have writers that we pay big money to, we have editors on staff to make sure the content is grammatically correct and quality. Even then if we get 8-10 links in a week, it is considered a HUGE success.

That strategy accounts for about 70%, the rest is Manual blog comments, Manual web 2.0, directory listings on sites with human moderation, press releases etc...

It is not glamorous but it is pretty effective, I will say that this does not make you immune to googles whims but I have noticed that we dont see wild fluctuations or penalties.

 

[theseodude]

I work for a legit company that does SEO and I will tell you it is pretty basic.

The main link building strategy is guest posts on High PR, High Authority blogs and websites. Seems pretty straightforward but you need HIGH quality content for these bloggers to accept your content. For instance I have an assistant that helps with the outreach, we have writers that we pay big money to, we have editors on staff to make sure the content is grammatically correct and quality. Even then if we get 8-10 links in a week, it is considered a HUGE success.

That strategy accounts for about 70%, the rest is Manual blog comments, Manual web 2.0, directory listings on sites with human moderation, press releases etc...

It is not glamorous but it is pretty effective, I will say that this does not make you immune to googles whims but I have noticed that we dont see wild fluctuations or penalties.

so how do you post as a guest? Do you just contact the owners via email and offer them some money to let you post on their blogs, or ?? How much do you pay them?
what about text link brokers? I have contacted a couple of brokers and they are insanely expensive ($75 a month for one PR4)...I know I said money is not an issue but that's ridiculous.

 

[veheme]

so how do you post as a guest? Do you just contact the owners via email and offer them some money to let you post on their blogs, or ??
what about text link brokers? I have contacted a couple of brokers and they are insanely expensive ($75 a month for one PR4)...I know I said money is not an issue but that's ridiculous.

In my experience, it's like this..

1. Contact them
2. Tell them who you are and that you want to post in their blog
3. Show them credentials, your sites, your portfolio or whatever so that they will agree
4. They will tell you what they want in return; usually money but if not money, a link exchange or a special shout-out about their blog IF you also have a blog
5. They will tell you what topic to write about (for a few others, they just tell you to write something about the niche)
6. You write the post
7. Submit it to them
8. They post it on their blogs
9. You drink coffee, have a good read and then go find another blog

 

[theRevolt]

Normally you contact relevant sites/blogs in your niche and offer them a guest post. That way they will get new unique content in exchange for a backlink to your site. But as it was mentioned above this takes lots of hours and money to accomplish(with some exceptions of course).
Depending on your client's product (B2B, B2C) it will be easier or harder...
There is really not much "Whitehat" left to do and for larger clients/brands you have to be even more cautios.

 

[Italian Hawk]

Legit SEO just means manually doing what all the bots and programs do.

 

[Michaeladams]

i dont think there is such a thing. If anything its the same old stuff with out the spam

 

[Getwhatchuwant]

there's no such thing as legit seo. Google wants natural backlinks, not bought, not posted, natural. That's all. Everything else is blackhat.

You're supposed to setup a site, write content, target a keyword and then twiddle your thumbs and hope for someone to link to it. That's the way google wants it, anyway.

Not really, even in Googles webmaster section they saying blogging is perfectly fine as is guest blogging.

so how do you post as a guest? Do you just contact the owners via email and offer them some money to let you post on their blogs, or ?? How much do you pay them?
what about text link brokers? I have contacted a couple of brokers and they are insanely expensive ($75 a month for one PR4)...I know I said money is not an issue but that's ridiculous.

In my experience, it's like this..

1. Contact them
2. Tell them who you are and that you want to post in their blog
3. Show them credentials, your sites, your portfolio or whatever so that they will agree
4. They will tell you what they want in return; usually money but if not money, a link exchange or a special shout-out about their blog IF you also have a blog
5. They will tell you what topic to write about (for a few others, they just tell you to write something about the niche)
6. You write the post
7. Submit it to them
8. They post it on their blogs
9. You drink coffee, have a good read and then go find another blog

The quote below pretty much nails it..

Normally you contact relevant sites/blogs in your niche and offer them a guest post. That way they will get new unique content in exchange for a backlink to your site. But as it was mentioned above this takes lots of hours and money to accomplish(with some exceptions of course).
Depending on your client's product (B2B, B2C) it will be easier or harder...
There is really not much "Whitehat" left to do and for larger clients/brands you have to be even more cautios.

Exactly, we dont pay to post. Some guys email back with a price, I ignore and move on. I do find that the high profile blogs rarely ask for money but then they also rarely take content too....We have seperate media buying teams that do nothing but look for sites to buy banners on etc.. We have a separate PPC section as well that handles all the bidding and whatnot for adwords.

 

[theseodude]

so guys, there are no programs that make this easier? Kind of like BMR (rest in peace) or link brokers, something that would be easier? from your description, it seems that you would be wasting a lot of time chasing these blog owners.

 

[jb2008]

Legit SEO? There is no such thing.

Show me a site using Legit SEO and I will show you a site that doth not rank.

Maybe we should make the forum all white and rename it WhiteHatWorld, because this is what it sounds like these days. It's really sad to see but I understand why people are doing it.

I get these emails regularly, asking to drop a link on my site in exchange for a small 'donation'. It must be some painstaking work to get links that way, not to mention costly.

 

[Expertpeon]

Exactly, we dont pay to post. Some guys email back with a price, I ignore and move on. I do find that the high profile blogs rarely ask for money but then they also rarely take content too....We have seperate media buying teams that do nothing but look for sites to buy banners on etc.. We have a separate PPC section as well that handles all the bidding and whatnot for adwords.

So buying banners is better in the eyes of google than buying guest posts because?

 

[veheme]

So buying banners is better in the eyes of google than buying guest posts because?

I believe getwhatchuwant is working in/for a company that does white/gray hat internet marketing. I'm guessing they want leads and traffic from quality sources and not just the number of links (and if they do, only high quality which are not a part of any network). In THAT context, I have to agree with getwhatchuwant on banners being more effective. If the context is that he is only interested in links and nothing more, expertpeon has a point.

 

[highl4nder]

Basically, do everything that you've been doing... only this time without your tools.

 

[veheme]

Basically, do everything that you've been doing... only this time without your tools.

Couldn't be more wrong

 

[UndeadCircus]

You can also check out myblogguest.com. Post that you're looking for a blog to write on and people will usually respond. It's all for free. These guys do it because they want the content on their websites, you do it because you want the backlinks. It's a win/win for both of you.

 

[PartyNeon]

PM me. I will send you a link to a company that I buy backlinks from, on the surface, the websites are as "White hat" and "legit" as it gets. When money is not an issue, I use them to get amazing quality, highly trafficked, REAL back links.

That being said, check out this post on SAFE white/gray hat link building methods:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-easy-post-penguin-link-building-methods.html

Hopefully that will give you ideas. MyBlogGuest is the way to go.

 

[Getwhatchuwant]

Legit SEO? There is no such thing.

Show me a site using Legit SEO and I will show you a site that doth not rank.

Maybe we should make the forum all white and rename it WhiteHatWorld, because this is what it sounds like these days. It's really sad to see but I understand why people are doing it.

I get these emails regularly, asking to drop a link on my site in exchange for a small 'donation'. It must be some painstaking work to get links that way, not to mention costly.

You are wrong, the difference is huge budgets and lots of manpower as well as connections. Well beyond the means of most of us here. We hold top 3 spots for $50+ keywords and our average product is 4 figures per sale.....

So buying banners is better in the eyes of google than buying guest posts because?

I dont work in that area, the banners are for traffic not Page rank although sometimes those metrics overlap. For all I know those banners are no followed. I can tell you this the SEO team has not involvement with media buys and the media buying team uses a whole different set of criteria when selecting a site such as age demographics, degree demographics, traffic from the US etc...

I believe getwhatchuwant is working in/for a company that does white/gray hat internet marketing. I'm guessing they want leads and traffic from quality sources and not just the number of links (and if they do, only high quality which are not a part of any network). In THAT context, I have to agree with getwhatchuwant on banners being more effective. If the context is that he is only interested in links and nothing more, expertpeon has a point.

I am not sure where the gray part would come in but I guess anything is possible. Everything that we do we know to be "ok" with Google that does not exempt us from some negative movement from time to time, it just so happens when we move it's a spot or 2 down and not dozens of spots.

 

[veheme]

You are wrong, the difference is huge budgets and lots of manpower as well as connections. Well beyond the means of most of us here. We hold top 3 spots for $50+ keywords and our average product is 4 figures per sale.....

I dont work in that area, the banners are for traffic not Page rank although sometimes those metrics overlap. For all I know those banners are no followed. I can tell you this the SEO team has not involvement with media buys and the media buying team uses a whole different set of criteria when selecting a site such as age demographics, degree demographics, traffic from the US etc...

I am not sure where the gray part would come in but I guess anything is possible. Everything that we do we know to be "ok" with Google that does not exempt us from some negative movement from time to time, it just so happens when we move it's a spot or 2 down and not dozens of spots.

I understand man. Believe it or not, I absolutely understand what you guys are doing. It's not the usual links and stuff that one sees in BHW but the whole process is done by a team. It looks good long-term.