Is there a web 2.0 penalty now?

Tier 2s link to authority sites and each other, and then 1 page of tier 1 (very very large 20k or so web 2.0 pages in a link wheel) I then inject some high PR links into that... usually 1000-2000 blogposts, plus the usual bookmarks (only ones that google indexes) and such going only into tier 2.

I wanna make sure I get this right, because this is some excellent knowledge from a senior guy like you Expertpeon.

One tier 1 Web 2.0 post
For every tier 1 you create 20 tier 2 web 2.0 post with three links,
One pointing to a authority site, one to another tier 2 and a third link to the tier 1 post?

Also, do you only post one article on each web 2.0 or do you repost and arent you afraid of footprints when creating a linkwheel like this in your tier 2?
Thx in advance
 
SEnuke did this (or gave no results) about a year ago.

You have to be very meticulous with your structures, images/video embeds, etc.

added rep.

Could you elaborate about the post.

Where do you get these images you embed in your posts ? I mean all images are copyrighted (and too expensive to buy), if you hotlink tinypic or flickr is safer but it leaves a huge footprint.

What is wrong with magic submitter?
I mean i can do it all manually and add videos/images but still
 
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Expertpeon, that's a lot of work you do. Any software to automate it?
 
I am a bit confused. In another thread you say just one of your sites makes you 200k a month yet you think a blog network is too expensive to create? I make a lot less than you do in a month but still maintain a big blog network of pr 4+ domains. I have them segregated into niches etc and I find even a small one very effective, so I don't know why someone making 200k+ a month would not already have a private network up and running.

Well it depends on what I do, and how I do it. 1 campaign involves around 10000 tier one pages (5-6 per domain) and involves 5-6 websites at a time.
One campaign is usually enough to rank high competition terms... and takes roughly 1-2 weeks.

I'm extremely risk adverse, however, so I have been avoiding building a massive blog network for myself for some time... not only are they expensive to make, they're unbelievable time sinks.
I think it's going to be the next step though... once things slow down (if they slow down)

I disagree with a lot of the "information" that is spread in SEO. I would basically insist that any blog network I made created the PR in the above manner for the sites at the bottom.
 
I am a bit confused. In another thread you say just one of your sites makes you 200k a month yet you think a blog network is too expensive to create? I make a lot less than you do in a month but still maintain a big blog network of pr 4+ domains. I have them segregated into niches etc and I find even a small one very effective, so I don't know why someone making 200k+ a month would not already have a private network up and running.

*sighs*
Look the costs associated with such a network is huge, in time, maintenance and upkeep costs. I have a private high PR network, but it's relatively small (120 or so domains).

You find them to be highly effective? I find them to be completely ineffective, and have always been disappointed by the results from my domains when adding articles. Great for medium competition keywords, but there are free options (like above) that provide better results.

Generally per domain, if you build the network from new sites, it'll cost you around $22-25/year (if you stack them 3 per IP, you can get this a bit cheaper)... my bots cost me next to nothing, and achieve far better results in other search engines, like bing and yahoo particularly (and honestly, still better in google as well from my recent work). If you buy them, tack on another $10-15 to this figure per domain. So to compete in my niches with the big boys with high PR networks (who all buy their links, besides 1 guy) you'd need 2000 or so high PR blogs, and have a $500-700/mth bill just on hosting. Sure, you may consider $80k on domains first year to be nothing, because I made 6 figures during 2 months of the 2012 year, but alas... that is still a lot of money to little ol me.

I wonder what could possess me to drop what I'm doing now, which is working and making great money again, and go back to thinking about large blog network construction... However, I've watched google murder sites who have done this, and their networks (though still indexed) provide no google value to their sites any more post penguin. This has caused a huge amount of hesitation for me about expansion and I have gone a completely different direction.

People always say "oh my blog network is powerful"... well it's not... not really. A few hundred domains will do some good things, sure, to medium comp terms... I use mine often of late for this after running my tools on sites.
A few hundred won't get you far where it counts...
Unfortunately there's no easy way to set up 200+ high PR network, so tack on costs for hiring this out as well... You can post spun articles to it, but I've always disliked this idea as well as it's a very large risk in the long term. I'm not sure about you, but if I had online infrastructure that costed as much as a house (every year!), I probably wouldn't be posting crappy spun content to it.

Also, the images I embed are from the site I'm backlinking.

Perhaps post penguin a network is the answer (seems like xrumer with mods is working really well too for temporary gains), but I'm loathe to admit to this at this time. I have said extensively: "I am no longer committed to the effectiveness of these methods"
At any rate, I think the most powerful way to backlink now, from the results I've gotten myself (this is only for google of course) is combinations of dynamic pyramids across tons of tier 1 types, and a lot of manual d0follow comments. Then you throw your network on top of that.
 
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Also, the images I embed are from the site I'm backlinking.

At any rate, I think the most powerful way to backlink now, from the results I've gotten myself (this is only for google of course) is combinations of dynamic pyramids across tons of tier 1 types, and a lot of manual d0follow comments. Then you throw your network on top of that.

So it is the same as if you were using 5 stock images for all web 2.0 tiers. Isn't that a huge footprint?

Do you use wiki or any other such type of back-links. It seems everything except web 2.0's is pretty short lived. For example wikis usually get deleted within few months. Also these platforms usually have lots of spam viagra articles, just one click away from your tier1 article. Does this affect the tier1 article negatively.
 
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Once again, a home run by EP- some comments below-

*sighs*
Look the costs associated with such a network is huge, in time, maintenance and upkeep costs. I have a private high PR network, but it's relatively small (120 or so domains).

You find them to be highly effective? I find them to be completely ineffective, and have always been disappointed by the results from my domains when adding articles. Great for medium competition keywords, but there are free options (like above) that provide better results.
I have a small (compared to others) network of about 140 sites- nothing lower than pr3- pr7. Always great PA/DA, huge BL profiles, and many are authority sites (think chamber of commerce sites, city and municipal sites etc etc). Some of these sites will pass juice, while others do not. I made the mistake of selling some links on a few and even though I kept the OBL's low and did them contextually, the value of blog or rather site network links can be weak at times. The sites often don't get deindexed, but it's obvious when Goog takes away the juice/benefit of said sites when they identify them as spam sites. Always separate/unique IP/hosting/DNS and diverse OBL's.
I find one of the best benefits from site networks is using subdomains, which pass age, and then adding articles and maybe one link. If people buy dropped domains and then subsequently add 5-10 links on the home page, it's pretty easy for goog to ID the site as a spam site at that time, even if they rebuild the site as it was prior to the drop or renew.

Generally per domain, if you build the network from new sites, it'll cost you around $22-25/year (if you stack them 3 per IP, you can get this a bit cheaper)... my bots cost me next to nothing, and achieve far better results in other search engines, like bing and yahoo particularly (and honestly, still better in google as well from my recent work). If you buy them, tack on another $10-15 to this figure per domain. So to compete in my niches with the big boys with high PR networks (who all buy their links, besides 1 guy) you'd need 2000 or so high PR blogs, and have a $500-700/mth bill just on hosting. Sure, you may consider $80k on domains first year to be nothing, because I made 6 figures during 2 months of the 2012 year, but alas... that is still a lot of money to little ol me.

I wonder what could possess me to drop what I'm doing now, which is working and making great money again, and go back to thinking about large blog network construction... However, I've watched google murder sites who have done this, and their networks (though still indexed) provide no google value to their sites any more post penguin. This has caused a huge amount of hesitation for me about expansion and I have gone a completely different direction.

People always say "oh my blog network is powerful"... well it's not... not really. A few hundred domains will do some good things, sure, to medium comp terms... I use mine often of late for this after running my tools on sites. Site networks, when set up correctly, will continue to be the way to win the game, IF the end game is monetized to the point where it makes sense economically.
Just look at the most competitive serps and still you will see quite a few using this technique- very hard for goog to ID a site network, especially if it is relevant and the setup is kosher.
A few hundred won't get you far where it counts...
Unfortunately there's no easy way to set up 200+ high PR network, so tack on costs for hiring this out as well... You can post spun articles to it, but I've always disliked this idea as well as it's a very large risk in the long term. I'm not sure about you, but if I had online infrastructure that costed as much as a house (every year!), I probably wouldn't be posting crappy spun content to it.

Also, the images I embed are from the site I'm backlinking.

Perhaps post penguin a network is the answer (seems like xrumer with mods is working really well too for temporary gains), but I'm loathe to admit to this at this time. I have said extensively: "I am no longer committed to the effectiveness of these methods"
At any rate, I think the most powerful way to backlink now, from the results I've gotten myself (this is only for google of course) is combinations of dynamic pyramids across tons of tier 1 types, and a lot of manual d0follow comments. Then you throw your network on top of that.
 
Once again, a home run by EP- some comments below-

There's no doubt that site networks are what people are using, the question is, if it's the only way to skin the cat or not. If there are free/cheaper and more effective solutions, you should go in that direction first.
I do high PR blogposts, but i don't think creating massive networks of thousands of domains is a solution for anything. Most people, even in competitive niches, are buying the links from 3rd parties, not owning the network.

Always some exceptions to this, however.
I prefer to build my network through automated tools, rather than buying up expired domains. The results are more powerful that way.

I'm seeing people in very competitive niches using tools to rank still, with small amounts of paid links. This seems to be the smarter route, than trying to build yourself some sort of huge very powerful and fully relevant network.
 
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At any rate, I think the most powerful way to backlink now, from the results I've gotten myself (this is only for google of course) is combinations of dynamic pyramids across tons of tier 1 types, and a lot of manual d0follow comments. Then you throw your network on top of that.

How do you go about the blog comments?

Do you just use Scrapebox to find high PR do-follow ones, and then manually go through them one by one, leaving a comment? Do you have some pre-written, spun comments?

Any luck with automation or outsourcing?

Thanks!
 
UPDATE: I'm deindexed now, wtf?! All I did was create that 1 web 2.0 !
 
Jesse550 - I am sure there is some other reason if in fact you have been deindexed. There is no way you would be penalized for one line from a web 2.0.
 
hmm that would make a interesting case study, negative seo using one web 2.0.. lol

seriously though, its impossible that only one 2.0 with original content and one link can deindex your site. what else have you done. And dont let this thread die - some good spinning discussion going on in here!
 
What does your site look like? It can easily be deindexed on its own if G decides it isn't good enough. No links required for that.
 
Hey, did you guys hear about the Everything penalty?? We're all fucked.

In reality, everything aside from maybe profile backlinks is getting people ranked. G is inconsistent.
 
I have only 1 450+ word article and default wordpress theme. Perhaps that's why?
 
Seems like a very weak site to be honest.

Add a couple of articles, see what happens. Won't take more than an hour of your time.

When trying to think like Google, try thinking like a user - Why would someone build a link to a default wordpress site with just a 450 word article?
 
I don't think web 2.0 is hammered for your website ranking. If you used only Pr-1 to pr-9 web 2.0 then might be your website ranking up.
 
UPDATE: I'm deindexed now, wtf?! All I did was create that 1 web 2.0 !

It's most likely a complete coincidence. You're being danced by google, just hold on for a bit and you'll be back in the index.
 
OP is not completely crazy :)
Maybe a bit, like any seo guy. 3 days ago I created a web 2.0 pointing to my website
#7 -> #16
me:WTF?! I deleted just the link
#16 -> #7

Phew... that was close.
Possible causes: the content was spinned and I used the default theme...
 
There is a web 2.0 masterclass going on here today. Thanks!

There's no doubt that site networks are what people are using, the question is, if it's the only way to skin the cat or not. If there are free/cheaper and more effective solutions, you should go in that direction first.
I do high PR blogposts, but i don't think creating massive networks of thousands of domains is a solution for anything. Most people, even in competitive niches, are buying the links from 3rd parties, not owning the network.

Always some exceptions to this, however.
I prefer to build my network through automated tools, rather than buying up expired domains. The results are more powerful that way.

I'm seeing people in very competitive niches using tools to rank still, with small amounts of paid links. This seems to be the smarter route, than trying to build yourself some sort of huge very powerful and fully relevant network.
 
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