Scammer! patmiller27

[timchuks87]

I don't wanna hijack your thread folks but I tough will be nice to add few words , usually I don't hang on this part of the forum lol but there is a special case . Long ago ... I mean very long ago ... I needed some automation tools well the job to be honest it's pretty complex ... and I started to look about a professionally coder / programmer who can make my life easier you know ... OK ... So I meet pat there on bhw , after few replies I think I`ve got him on my skype I told him briefly what I need ... but since the complexity of the tasks involved he asked me to send him on details all stuffs needed ( descriptions of the jobs , jobs order and so on ) ... I`ve started to write like hell ... and I was able to bring him looong and boring lectures ...

Thing is ... I don't have nothing with this guy to be honest , it's not hes fault '' per se '' he didn't delivered what I paid for at the end of the day and he didn't refund me ... I see the point there way too long time to ask him for refund , way too much time to look back and have hard-feelings lol . Thing is ... Ubot first of all it's bit limited when it's comes to mix together complex actions . To be honest my solution at the time when I needed this stuffs comes pretty easy on june 2011 I think I found winautomation and I meet their custom coding paid services ... I`ve paid I think bit more than I lost with patmiller but I got my shiets done in professionally manner , with good time-frame and the coder from their support a great person lol .... since then I simply didn't care about I lost like $1K with pat , lol wasn't worth even to go to hunt him on forums and to make noise about this moneys ... recovered them I think within a week or so .

Why I`ve wrote there ? Simply ... first of all I got bored last couple of hours was bit annoying for me lol ... second I`ve wrote before on forums I think , some comments about ubot ... like I`ve said ubot it's good maybe for simple tasks , for simple jobs ... but for complex work it's not so good . Pat isn't coding hes bots , he have others who do coding for him , with my job also he passed me to another fella who was trying to understand what he's trying to accomplish ... There is a known issue , even for best and greatest coders / programmers , we all come from '' IT '' , but knowledges about advertising / link building / content ... seo ... sem everything can't be mixed within few words with coding lol ... sometime even the slang used by marketers , or linkbuilders it's bit different lol ... each one of us have various skills , from my point of view ( I rekon bit selfish lol ) programmers / coders are most fortunate from all of us lol because they know their shits most probably and they do what they was supposed to do but don't care about all those small and big details what comes from their work lol ... I seriously believe this was my case ... I simply wasn't speaking same language like the guy who was on the charge with the coding part ....

ps . I didn't wanted to hijack your thread folks like I`ve said , ignore me if it's too much written , or even ask a mod to delete my post there , I just wanted to tell you guys , this two important things , ubot it's not for complex tasks it's good for simple ones . And pat it's just another disappointing episode from my venture lol ...

peace .

I got a Hangover reading this!

 

[Kimi]

I dealt with his coder who speaks a few words in English (Wasted hours and hours trying to explain something) we actually got our money back but the hard with an Elance dispute.Pat is ignorant after the job is accepted. I bet some people got what they paid for but many didn't.

 

[patmiller27]

Hello Everybody,

Let me please be a bit honest here... There have been many replies above and a good few of them are against us... And I definitely do owe an explanation for many of them.

I was just a simple member on the forum when I started this service. We are offering service on this forum for over an year now and in around 3-5% cases we landed up into disputes. I think this should be an acceptable ratio when we are offering services in a black/gray market..

It is a difficult job for us to make bots for many websites because they keep blocking such scripts... and it times it can result in frustration for the end user... and ultimately a dispute. This particular case is a good example of it. We were asked to make an artificially intelligent bot that could scrape content from the web and generate meaningful english paragraphs as output. Well, this is an automated script at the end of the day... you can not compare it with an oxford graduate. While, we accepted the challenge and did our best to produce an article writer. We have delivered such bots successfully in the past too. But again, it would need manual intervention for obvious reasons and the client should understand the limits of the tool.

Now, the other thing is that I want you guys to be aware of is that we are from India. There are certain limits in the way we can use paypal. We can not keep any funds in paypal for more than a day... and that is one of the major reasons why I can not refund anybody promptly. We do need to wait a few days and accumulate those funds before I refund anybody. Now in this particular case, I agreed to refund the client because I knew that the bot did not meet his expectations. But again, we had to wait till those funds were available and Spawn was not at all interested in cooperating. Its agree that I should have been a bit more polite towards him but again... it becomes hard to help somebody who is trying to throw stones at you.

Also, all these things come when I have specifically posted on my thread that I am not available these days due to a business plan that I am working on. I do feel that people should have been a bit more considerate towards us when our office itself is going through a big transformation.

Last but not the least. Some of you said that moderators are supporting us. Well, this is not the case. This is true that I have requested them in the past to remove some posts and have given appropriate proofs and arguments behind our requests in every single case. I can show them all. Believe me, I have never misused this part. And for that matter, I am not going to request moderators to remove this thread... Because I feel that I have not done everything right in this particular case.


Let me conclude it all in style... (You need to know hindi/urdu to be able to understand it though)

Chalo aaj hum tum apna hunar aajmaate hain...
tum aajmaa lo teer... hum apna jigar aajmate hain.

 

[dog-tag]

Last but not the least. Some of you said that moderators are supporting us. Well, this is not the case. This is true that I have requested them in the past to remove some posts and have given appropriate proofs and arguments behind our requests in every single case. I can show them all.

In my situation you wouldn't help me when a bot you made wouldn't work. I actually went and bought uBot after that, and built it myself, it was pretty easy actually.

You then had the cheek to give me a negative iTrader for "being impatient" which you know is 100% false and not truthful. You then also got a mod to remove all my negative posts... My posts were logs of what was said in PM, nothing false just the truth. So your not telling the truth here, because a mod is/was helping you. So PLEASE show them all!

I actually still have those PM's incase I ever needed to back myself up, so if a mod wants to read them, you can have my login no problem at all

 

[Dailo]

Thanks, saved 700$!!

 

[Corrupt]

Now, the other thing is that I want you guys to be aware of is that we are from India. There are certain limits in the way we can use paypal. We can not keep any funds in paypal for more than a day... and that is one of the major reasons why I can not refund anybody promptly. We do need to wait a few days and accumulate those funds before I refund anybody. Now in this particular case, I agreed to refund the client because I knew that the bot did not meet his expectations. But again, we had to wait till those funds were available and Spawn was not at all interested in cooperating. Its agree that I should have been a bit more polite towards him but again... it becomes hard to help somebody who is trying to throw stones at you.

You cannot make payments with paypal even if you do acquire the funds in your paypal. The funds get transferred in your bank account, and you have make payments with a credit card. Don't tell me you don't have a credit card? If you didn't, how did you plan on refunding the buyer?

 

[*zap*]

There is very little to understand here both should have know better
Spawn asked the impossible
And patmiller27 for some unknown reason said he could do it, when he know it was not impossible
Then went on to outsource the job
Spawn was then silly enough to try and work with the outworker when in fact he should have been talking with patmiller27 as that?s who he contracted to do the job.

Lesson to all learn how to conduct your business and this would not happen
If you are paying for some thing split the payments x amount up front X amount on seeing the end project working. Final payment X amount when you receive it

 

[BigBuddy]

@dog-tag - your comments were removed, as it is nothing to do with BST, when you got refund. If not, let me know..further, why did nt you report about the negative itrader. Mis using the itrader system could ot be tolerated.



@rockert - Be wise while splitting words about mods.

Also note that some moderators conveniently remove negative posts from his thread just because he paid for it!

To which mod he paid?

This is your comment, which was removed.

To everyone think of getting bots from this guy and his team of people that can't spill out a proper sentence in English, STAY AWAY!

I've dealt with this guy on Elance and he was supposed to to a Pinterest bot that had to make the accts look natural (a lot of randomization needed). He told me he knows exactly what I want and delivered an Ubot that looks like sh*t and works like sh*t. The bots from bot***** are a miracle compared to what he sent me for 1 grand.

So, for everyone considering hiring this guy for a more complex work, THINK AGAIN!

Dealing in freelancer and posting Review in BHW BST? if you had problems, you should have open shitlist. Let me know, is it ok for you, if you get scammed from people who speaks good english?





@patmiller - You have 48 hours for refunding the amount to OP. Cant wait till you get amount deposited in paypal. make it western union, according to the convenient of OP.

 

[texasmom]

File a dispute with paypal.

 

[patmiller27]

Hi Bigbuddy,

Yes I will refund him within 48 hours.

Since our company paypal account does not have a credit card attached, I will send this payment from one of our director's personal paypal account.

Thanks,
Pat

 

[Leith]

Good to see things getting sorted out. Funny how everything get's sorted out when it gets into a shit list.

Good job Bigbuddy again for coming in and handling it like a boss.

Patmiller -while you offer good bots at times, what I would like to see you do more is reject offers which you think are just too hard instead of accepting them and then not being able to deliver them.

Anyways, it's good to see everything is sorted.

 

[lonny41]

It's simply live and learn. I wasn't paying attention when I bought from him. It was an easy bot to build and I actually thought he was a coder who knew what he was doing, I didn't realize it was f**king ubot.

I'd rather work with a real coder, not someone using ubot. I mean I can buy ubot and do it myself, but personally ubot is too mickey mouse for the shit I need done.

No ubot is worth more than $50 max, and thats being generous.

I like real coders, and there are a lot of brilliant ones around, theyre just hard to find. I'd drop hundreds or thousands on a real coder. I wouldnt drop over $50 on a ubot .

 

[jackyy]

Patmiller -while you offer good bots at times, what I would like to see you do more is reject offers which you think are just too hard instead of accepting them and then not being able to deliver them.

A professional guy should know which orders he should reject.

 

[mrunknown]

Amen bro you nailed it there i dont think people know the bots are being built with Ubot
until its to late lol. While ubot might be ok for somethings ie very small tasks
its not by any means something that you top shelf coder would put out......
and yes any thing more than $50 for anything coded using ubot IMO isnt a deal i would make....
Again opinions are like assholes everyone has one

It's simply live and learn. I wasn't paying attention when I bought from him. It was an easy bot to build and I actually thought he was a coder who knew what he was doing, I didn't realize it was f**king ubot.

I'd rather work with a real coder, not someone using ubot. I mean I can buy ubot and do it myself, but personally ubot is too mickey mouse for the shit I need done.

No ubot is worth more than $50 max, and thats being generous.

I like real coders, and there are a lot of brilliant ones around, theyre just hard to find. I'd drop hundreds or thousands on a real coder. I wouldnt drop over $50 on a ubot .

 

[Spawn]

thanks bigbuddy! pat, I sent you a pm with my paypal id. Thanks guys!

 

[kelvin.thechamp]

For ubot bot 400$ is over priced to OP why u want unique content new bot when already there are spinerchief TBs and such tools exist at lower price , may be for automation i guess anyways glad that things are sorting out for you best of luck

 

[dog-tag]

@dog-tag - your comments were removed, as it is nothing to do with BST, when you got refund. If not, let me know..further, why did nt you report about the negative itrader. Mis using the itrader system could ot be tolerated.

I don't think its right to remove my comments just because I got a refund, but I respect BHW not to argue with the way you guys run it, and thanks also for mentioning my case here.

I will ask an admin if they can remove my negative iTrader today, as it's totally irrelevant and was just a childish dig at me. It pissed me off to see him stoop that low, very petty.

Thanks as always BB..

 

[download]

Thank you BB for handling this situation very smoothly... it's obvious that taking orders you can't fulfill will only lead to problems.

 

[ankame]

Its good to see things are being sorted out.

This is just a suggestion, but I wonder if BHW could introduce an arbitration kind of thread under the guidance of a moderator. Whereby the issues can be laid out on the thread, so that the lines of communication can remain open, and if and when a refund if required, that it's handled correctly.

As I say, only a suggestion, but maybe it could work alongside the shitlist.

 

[BigBuddy]

@dog-tag - Will inform the admin to remove the negative itrader and after this gets resolved, itrader issue will be dealt with patmiller.