is ok to use tables now?

[meatro]

I'm having a great day, thanks for asking.

On a separate note, I am not arguing with anybody, so I don't need to make anything stronger. Comparing website design to safety features is stupid, that's a fact. Not an argument. Saying that you'll do more business with CSS over HTML is another stupid claim.

Sorry to hit your all's sensitivity switch, but that's what it is. Now, if you'd care to ARGUE, I'd be more than happy. Please reinforce each of those claims and have them make sense.

Then we're arguing. But there's no opposing view to what I've said, is there? I just wasn't nice about it.

 

[jazzc]

 

[meatro]

First, I'm not trying to look good for anybody on the internet. I could care less about my online "persona" or whatever else you'd like me to portray, if you worry about yours, that's just terrific for you. We don't have to be friends, I don't think mostly correct spelling and winky faces is going to change that.

Second, again, I wasn't arguing or debating with anybody. I was stating facts. Three of them actually, and here they are, laid out all civil and nice...

1.) You are not going to get any type of SEO penalty for using a table driven layout as opposed to CSS. If you disagree with this, then let's argue. (The OP question, which has not been answered.)
2.) Whether you use CSS or HTML is not a life altering decision such as whether or not you'd include side-impact airbags and a reinforced frame on a car. If you disagree, please present your story of somebody dying brutally and being flung 50' out of their office window from using HTML.
3.) 99.9999% of visitors are not going to view-source your site, and whether your site uses tables or DIVs is not going to affect a decision to purchase. If you disagree, let's argue.

Otherwise, any arguments against those 3 points are.. Well, pointless, because there is none. They're not ideas, they're facts that can be checked by searching Google for any keyword ever. Also, if any of that information (aside from the car idea being _______ ________) has been posted in this thread already, please show me where.... So you see, I was not just "jumping in 5 days later" calling names. I was jumping in after 5 days of the guy's question not being answered and being shown a bunch of misinformation such as CSS>HTML somehow affecting conversion rates (magic, maybe?) and table layouts slamming into sidewalls killing all the site's viewers.

(Another topic that I touched on, was HTML being easier, which was based on the simple fact that every HTML editor in the history of ever has a TABLE BUTTON. More of a haha than a point.)

I had not addressed ONCE anybody debating whether CSS has advantages over HTML, because it does. I did not address anybody's reasoning as to why. I addressed the junk in the thread that sounds like some nonsense from the Onion.

Now, present an argument so that I can argue with somebody about what I've said regarding those three points. Other than that, I'm not really into listening to lectures about how to speak..... Jesus _______ ______.

 

[madoctopus]

I think I haven't done a table based design in over 10 years. As a matter of fact asside from people being too lazy to learn CSS I don't know why they would ever use tables. Table-less design is so much clearer and easier to maintain. With tables u have a bunch of <tr><td> crap. In terms of SEO you get no penalty though. Tableless might perform a slight better but nothing you can't overcompensate with links.

 

[stoichen]

Tables are a total headache. I had to do an HTML email using forty million nested tables for a client recently and it was grim. Building a big site like that would be a total fucking nightmare and maintaining it even worse, I'm glad that this is something I am never going to have to do.

 

[rizwanrajput]

tables can be used for some purpose but even tables are styled using CSS

 

[Monrox]

Tables are a total headache. I had to do an HTML email using forty million nested tables for a client recently and it was grim. Building a big site like that would be a total fucking nightmare and maintaining it even worse, I'm glad that this is something I am never going to have to do.

Do you consider google a big website?

 

[Khalil Cazoo]

hi everyone. just a quick question. i did search on google, and most sites said not to use tables. but i know how to make tables, and they're quick to do.

is it bad to use tables in my design? does anyone else use them anymore?

thanks

oh, and - these days are tables compatible with all browsers (or at least most of them)? i thought that was the issue a few years ago, is it still an issue now?

You should rather consider to learn how to layout a website with div's (+css). Once you got it, it's almost as easy as using tables. Besides that, I know a lot of sites, even new ones, ranking nice while using tables. I don't think it's a big ranking factor. However, div's and css are recommended anyway.

 

[stoichen]

Do you consider google a big website?

Yes, not sure I get the point that you are trying to make though. I only stated my opinion that I dislike having to work with tables, didn't say its not ok to use them if that's yer bag.

 

[ShadeDream]

Tables won't be dying out any time soon. Tables still exist (HTML5) and have their use within the world wide web but they are definitely not the way forward when it comes to web design. If you're using tables to design websites, you're making a big mistake.

 

[davids355]

Tables are not the way to go - sure google use them, doesn't make it right.

Their site is somewhat of an anomaly as their homepage is very plain - also technically speaking all they are displaying is data so you could argue that tables are ok

However, using tables will cause problems -
Very hard to change layout.

Very confusing to edit structurally.

Bad for accessibility as screen readers and such will read column by column.

So just learn some CSS

 

[SYAWEDIS]

Looks like you got a lot of input on this one!

So to avoid repeating anyone, I'm just going to say that I find CSS way easier to build with instead of tables. There is so much more code when using tables.

 

[SYAWEDIS]

I mean, you are going to style the tables with CSS anyway, why not just layout with CSS! Lot's of great places to learn from, too. It's pretty easy to get the hang of, lot's of free videos out there too.