HealeyV3
Power Member
- Mar 4, 2009
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Hi everyone,
Normally, I do not have issues like this when dealing with reputable members of BHW. However in this instance, I believe I am 100% right in asking for what it due to me.
Chat Logs: (Please note, I removed Names and Websites to protect myself, and my servers. If a moderator would like to see the originals, I'm available for a TeamViewer session.)
AIM:
Skype:
I started talking to TreasureSender (AKA ebayMafia AKA "Andy") on December 5. He approached me and asked me to create a website product scraper based on a Chinese website. He showed me an example of what another programmer had created for him for $1k. We then discussed details of what he wanted created. We also agreed on a price of $1,000, set between $250 milestones.
Long story short: I worked my ass off untill 5:00AM to get this script done for him in 3 HOURS.
Here is him agreeing to the product :
eBayMafia Allen (3:45:44 AM): Yeah, we are on the same page, this is really what I was trying to get right from the start of the project.
healeyv3 (3:46:28 AM): And you got it done in 3 hours
Andy later said he wanted 1 more feature added before the script was done.(Shipping parsing), so I did it for him.
At 5:00AM I was tired, the script was finished, and Andy wasn't responding, so I said this :
healeyv3 (4:56:58 AM): It now does shipping (When there IS shipping)
healeyv3 (4:57:02 AM): Sometimes there isnt.
healeyv3 (4:57:35 AM): I'm tired, it's 5am here
healeyv3 (4:57:37 AM): I gotta head to bed.
healeyv3 (4:57:48 AM): We can figure out server arraingements and payment tomorrow.
healeyv3 (4:58:39 AM): i'll ttyl mate.
After this, Andy was online multiple times, and I tried to contact him multiple times.
treasuresender went idle at 5:21:44 AM
treasuresender came back from idle at 5:22:36 AM
treasuresender went idle at 5:40:54 AM
treasuresender came back from idle at 5:47:39 AM
treasuresender signed off at 6:05:50 AM
Friday, December 09, 2011
healeyv3 (6:42:31 PM): Hey mate, in the US yet?
Thursday, December 29, 2011
healeyv3 (4:33:49 PM): Hey mate!
healeyv3 (4:34:08 PM): Haven't heard back from you in a while, you around?
healeyv3 (4:42:54 PM): Well, please get in contact with me in the next few days, or I'll be forced to start a shit list thread :-\ . Thanks!
treasuresender went idle at 4:46:04 PM
Not being able to get through to him on AIM, I also tried to send him a BHW Message (His BHW Message Box is full.), and left him a Visitor Message on BHW saying to contact me.
Fast Foward - SKYPE Conversation with "Stephen Allen"
HealeyV3 has shared contact details with Stephen Allen.
[12/15/2011 5:46:19 PM] HealeyV3: Hey mate
[12/15/2011 5:46:42 PM] HealeyV3: Haven't heard back from you in a while, everything okay?
[12/15/2011 6:11:32 PM] HealeyV3: Hello?
[12/16/2011 12:34:47 AM] HealeyV3: Hello?
Finally, Stephen answers on December 31st, 2011 at 9:38 PM.
Long Conversation Short:
"Stephen Allen" said he did not know anything about Andy making any deals. He was very professional with me, apologetic, and a nice guy all around. He explained to me that "TreasureSender" is a "Customer Service" AIM Screen name, and Andy should not have been on that.
Stephen Allen at this point said the following to me :
[12/31/2011 10:23:17 PM] Stephen Allen: Andy is in business with me, so his decisions reflect upon myself and TreasureSender. I was previously unaware he had made agreements to make a payment but he could have been planning to pay for it out of his own pocket for all I know. Let me get in contact with him to see whats up, but I want you to know I accept the responsibility either way.
[12/31/2011 10:24:22 PM] HealeyV3: I appreciate your attitude mate, and I more-over appreciate your help in this matter. Whether mine and Andy's business is continued or not, I would definitely like to keep channels open between the two of us.
[12/31/2011 10:24:56 PM] HealeyV3: I'll let you get back to your holiday.
[12/31/2011 10:25:14 PM] HealeyV3: Please keep me informed on what you find out, and we can go from there.
[12/31/2011 10:25:27 PM] HealeyV3: Now get off your computer and go have a good time mate
The conversation ended on a basically "Good Note", with him saying he'd pay me no matter what happens since Andy committed to it.
Days go by...
[1/4/2012 2:52:19 AM] HealeyV3: Hi Stephen, please contact me back ASAP.
[1/5/2012 12:40:51 PM] HealeyV3: Hi, still waiting to hear back from you.
Finally, Stephen got back to me with this to say :
[1/6/2012 4:10:17 AM] Stephen Allen: Talked with Andy, he said he wasn't aware you were finished and with the loss of communication thought that you were no longer interested in the project.
[1/6/2012 4:10:35 AM] Stephen Allen: Is there a demo I can view?
WOW. At this point, I can't believe what I'm hearing. MY "loss of communication" caused Andy to think I was no longer interested in a project.... that I already coded... and was waiting on payment for.
Here is the last message I sent them that same day:
[1/6/2012 1:20:10 PM] HealeyV3: Hi,
I do not understand why Andy would say that, as he was the one that totally dissappeared. That actually makes me somewhat upset, as I have done everything in my power to get into contact with him. I've sent multiple messages to AIM, I sent him an email, I've left a BHW Visitor message. For him to say this is an outright lie.
[1/6/2012 1:20:41 PM] HealeyV3: My last message to him while he was online was something along the lines of "We will take care of delivery and payment tomorrow"
[1/6/2012 1:20:54 PM] HealeyV3: How would that in ANY way reflect a desire to NOT go ahead with work?
[1/6/2012 1:24:42 PM] HealeyV3: There is no demo currently online, but I have already shown Andy screenshots of the program in work, and I have shown you screenshots of the database.
[1/6/2012 1:25:24 PM] HealeyV3: As Andy has proven himself not to be a reliable business partner, I would like to deal with you exclusively.
[1/6/2012 1:26:28 PM] HealeyV3: I will be able to set up a demo for you on my server to view, or even a TeamViewer session on my PC to show you.
[1/6/2012 1:26:59 PM] HealeyV3: Andy was supposed to get a server set up, he has all of the specifications I've told him within the chat logs (You do as well).
[1/6/2012 1:27:03 PM] HealeyV3: I reccommended getting a Burst server.
[1/6/2012 1:28:46 PM] HealeyV3: When you get the server set up, I will be able to migrate everything over, in addition to setting up the database for you.
[1/6/2012 1:31:29 PM] HealeyV3: Before I migrate anything over, I expect at least a 75% payment at this point.
[1/6/2012 1:39:16 PM] HealeyV3: As this has also taken a lot longer than it ever should have, if we cannot come to an agreement within the next 48 hours, and get everything set up, I will be starting a thread on BHW, and posting all of the communications. This is nothing against you personally, but I did the work 100% to Andy's specifications, and for him to tell me that my lack of communication caused him to think our business is done is absolutely rediculous.
[1/6/2012 1:39:38 PM] HealeyV3: Hope to hear back from you soon Stephen, and I hope you understand none of my terse attitude is meant toward you at all
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Conclusion:
I have went out of my way to contact these people, and get what is owed to me. I created the script (Have not delivered, waiting on payment) 100% to Andy's Expectations. He agreed on price, agreed on the work to be done, and was very happy to have it done in 3 HOURS.
I simply want what's owed to me.
I'd be willing to settle the account by either:
1. You paying me $1,000 Owed. I set up the SQL Server to the Chinese Specs, and get the script installed and working on your server.
2. You paying me $500, I send you the script files, and we are done with all business together.
I am not an unreasonable man. I did work for you, at YOUR request, and created EXACTLY what you wanted, and you disappear. I only ask for what I deserve, nothing more, nothing less.
To Mods: I am more than happy to talk to any moderator about this situation.
Normally, I do not have issues like this when dealing with reputable members of BHW. However in this instance, I believe I am 100% right in asking for what it due to me.
Chat Logs: (Please note, I removed Names and Websites to protect myself, and my servers. If a moderator would like to see the originals, I'm available for a TeamViewer session.)
AIM:
Code:
http://pastebin.com/SSs9Xk1D
Code:
http://pastebin.com/bMt4yS22Long story short: I worked my ass off untill 5:00AM to get this script done for him in 3 HOURS.
Here is him agreeing to the product :
eBayMafia Allen (3:45:44 AM): Yeah, we are on the same page, this is really what I was trying to get right from the start of the project.
healeyv3 (3:46:28 AM): And you got it done in 3 hours
Andy later said he wanted 1 more feature added before the script was done.(Shipping parsing), so I did it for him.
At 5:00AM I was tired, the script was finished, and Andy wasn't responding, so I said this :
healeyv3 (4:56:58 AM): It now does shipping (When there IS shipping)
healeyv3 (4:57:02 AM): Sometimes there isnt.
healeyv3 (4:57:35 AM): I'm tired, it's 5am here
healeyv3 (4:57:37 AM): I gotta head to bed.
healeyv3 (4:57:48 AM): We can figure out server arraingements and payment tomorrow.
healeyv3 (4:58:39 AM): i'll ttyl mate.
After this, Andy was online multiple times, and I tried to contact him multiple times.
treasuresender went idle at 5:21:44 AM
treasuresender came back from idle at 5:22:36 AM
treasuresender went idle at 5:40:54 AM
treasuresender came back from idle at 5:47:39 AM
treasuresender signed off at 6:05:50 AM
Friday, December 09, 2011
healeyv3 (6:42:31 PM): Hey mate, in the US yet?
Thursday, December 29, 2011
healeyv3 (4:33:49 PM): Hey mate!
healeyv3 (4:34:08 PM): Haven't heard back from you in a while, you around?
healeyv3 (4:42:54 PM): Well, please get in contact with me in the next few days, or I'll be forced to start a shit list thread :-\ . Thanks!
treasuresender went idle at 4:46:04 PM
Not being able to get through to him on AIM, I also tried to send him a BHW Message (His BHW Message Box is full.), and left him a Visitor Message on BHW saying to contact me.
Fast Foward - SKYPE Conversation with "Stephen Allen"
HealeyV3 has shared contact details with Stephen Allen.
[12/15/2011 5:46:19 PM] HealeyV3: Hey mate
[12/15/2011 5:46:42 PM] HealeyV3: Haven't heard back from you in a while, everything okay?
[12/15/2011 6:11:32 PM] HealeyV3: Hello?
[12/16/2011 12:34:47 AM] HealeyV3: Hello?
Finally, Stephen answers on December 31st, 2011 at 9:38 PM.
Long Conversation Short:
"Stephen Allen" said he did not know anything about Andy making any deals. He was very professional with me, apologetic, and a nice guy all around. He explained to me that "TreasureSender" is a "Customer Service" AIM Screen name, and Andy should not have been on that.
Stephen Allen at this point said the following to me :
[12/31/2011 10:23:17 PM] Stephen Allen: Andy is in business with me, so his decisions reflect upon myself and TreasureSender. I was previously unaware he had made agreements to make a payment but he could have been planning to pay for it out of his own pocket for all I know. Let me get in contact with him to see whats up, but I want you to know I accept the responsibility either way.
[12/31/2011 10:24:22 PM] HealeyV3: I appreciate your attitude mate, and I more-over appreciate your help in this matter. Whether mine and Andy's business is continued or not, I would definitely like to keep channels open between the two of us.
[12/31/2011 10:24:56 PM] HealeyV3: I'll let you get back to your holiday.
[12/31/2011 10:25:14 PM] HealeyV3: Please keep me informed on what you find out, and we can go from there.
[12/31/2011 10:25:27 PM] HealeyV3: Now get off your computer and go have a good time mate
The conversation ended on a basically "Good Note", with him saying he'd pay me no matter what happens since Andy committed to it.
Days go by...
[1/4/2012 2:52:19 AM] HealeyV3: Hi Stephen, please contact me back ASAP.
[1/5/2012 12:40:51 PM] HealeyV3: Hi, still waiting to hear back from you.
Finally, Stephen got back to me with this to say :
[1/6/2012 4:10:17 AM] Stephen Allen: Talked with Andy, he said he wasn't aware you were finished and with the loss of communication thought that you were no longer interested in the project.
[1/6/2012 4:10:35 AM] Stephen Allen: Is there a demo I can view?
WOW. At this point, I can't believe what I'm hearing. MY "loss of communication" caused Andy to think I was no longer interested in a project.... that I already coded... and was waiting on payment for.
Here is the last message I sent them that same day:
[1/6/2012 1:20:10 PM] HealeyV3: Hi,
I do not understand why Andy would say that, as he was the one that totally dissappeared. That actually makes me somewhat upset, as I have done everything in my power to get into contact with him. I've sent multiple messages to AIM, I sent him an email, I've left a BHW Visitor message. For him to say this is an outright lie.
[1/6/2012 1:20:41 PM] HealeyV3: My last message to him while he was online was something along the lines of "We will take care of delivery and payment tomorrow"
[1/6/2012 1:20:54 PM] HealeyV3: How would that in ANY way reflect a desire to NOT go ahead with work?
[1/6/2012 1:24:42 PM] HealeyV3: There is no demo currently online, but I have already shown Andy screenshots of the program in work, and I have shown you screenshots of the database.
[1/6/2012 1:25:24 PM] HealeyV3: As Andy has proven himself not to be a reliable business partner, I would like to deal with you exclusively.
[1/6/2012 1:26:28 PM] HealeyV3: I will be able to set up a demo for you on my server to view, or even a TeamViewer session on my PC to show you.
[1/6/2012 1:26:59 PM] HealeyV3: Andy was supposed to get a server set up, he has all of the specifications I've told him within the chat logs (You do as well).
[1/6/2012 1:27:03 PM] HealeyV3: I reccommended getting a Burst server.
[1/6/2012 1:28:46 PM] HealeyV3: When you get the server set up, I will be able to migrate everything over, in addition to setting up the database for you.
[1/6/2012 1:31:29 PM] HealeyV3: Before I migrate anything over, I expect at least a 75% payment at this point.
[1/6/2012 1:39:16 PM] HealeyV3: As this has also taken a lot longer than it ever should have, if we cannot come to an agreement within the next 48 hours, and get everything set up, I will be starting a thread on BHW, and posting all of the communications. This is nothing against you personally, but I did the work 100% to Andy's specifications, and for him to tell me that my lack of communication caused him to think our business is done is absolutely rediculous.
[1/6/2012 1:39:38 PM] HealeyV3: Hope to hear back from you soon Stephen, and I hope you understand none of my terse attitude is meant toward you at all
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Conclusion:
I have went out of my way to contact these people, and get what is owed to me. I created the script (Have not delivered, waiting on payment) 100% to Andy's Expectations. He agreed on price, agreed on the work to be done, and was very happy to have it done in 3 HOURS.
I simply want what's owed to me.
I'd be willing to settle the account by either:
1. You paying me $1,000 Owed. I set up the SQL Server to the Chinese Specs, and get the script installed and working on your server.
2. You paying me $500, I send you the script files, and we are done with all business together.
I am not an unreasonable man. I did work for you, at YOUR request, and created EXACTLY what you wanted, and you disappear. I only ask for what I deserve, nothing more, nothing less.
To Mods: I am more than happy to talk to any moderator about this situation.
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