Why are you all so pagerank mad?

[N1CHOLAS]

Do you realise the pagerank you can see of a domain name is very very out of date?

What webmasters get to see is TOOLBAR page rank which is very different to ACTUAL pagerank.

Tool bar pr which we can see is a snippet of what a page once was. I have had sites update as pr4 and the following update are a pr0.

It is far better when searching for links to find related links, even if the toolbar shows as a pr0 if it is a related link it is a good link.

If you are searching for non related links then just bear in mind that you will need more non related to get higher in the serps than you would if they were all related.

The reason pr is assigned so much weight is because sites that sell advertising try to egg people into buying the advertising by stating "we also have good pr meaning you get higher google" etc.

I have it on good authority by an seo who is known to google employees that pr is a very over emphasised algorithm.

Just remember it is one algorithm out of many. Don't base your seo efforts on pagerank that is out of date.

 

[davids355]

Good point. People always talk about pagerank, but they also always talk about it not being important, so your not the first one to point it out, but I have never thought about it from that point of view - I often dismiss a link opportunity if they page/domain has no pagerank, but as you say, it could actually have a good pagerank, but it just hasn't been reflected publicly yet...

 

[wannabie]

I think you meant to post this on dp mate

 

[geass]

So what do you do in order to know if it actually has a good pagerank?

 

[N1CHOLAS]

I think you meant to post this on dp mate

Firstly i don't know what dp is.

Secondly buying links for pagerank is black hat seo so i'm sure it will be fine here.

 

[Barbacamanitu]

I've thought about this a lot recently. It sort of negates nearly ALL link selling techniques.

What would you recommend for knowing the authority of a site?

 

[N1CHOLAS]

So what do you do in order to know if it actually has a good pagerank?

You'll never KNOW. You can't know something that is not in real time.

 

[N1CHOLAS]

I've thought about this a lot recently. It sort of negates nearly ALL link selling techniques.

Link selling on PR alone is a profitable industry because people are pr mad, i'll even sell links on a pr basis might as well take advantage. I don;t buy on pr.

What would you recommend for knowing the authority of a site?

If a site is related to mine, has decent position on google serps for its terms and backlinks i'll look to get a link even if pr0 is showing because it's likely to not be a pr0 if it has links and ranks well.

 

[oxonbeef]

I'm a great believer in contextual backlinks but if you can find contextual
backlinks from a high PR site even better.
As for the theory of PR being a snippet of what it once was?
I don't hold much forethought to that.
Toolbars show what the PR was after the last update.
Not even your friend at google can tell you what it will be after the next.
I'm all about making money NOW not at some imaginary time in the future.
When the game changes you change your play you don't try and pre empt it.

There has been a lot written and a lot debated about Google's PageRank, but on one point there is near unanimous agreement. PageRank is primarily determined by how many other web pages are linking into you. Google considers this kind of inbound a link a vote of confidence. But, here's the trick: Not all inbound links are created equal. Web pages with more credibility that link to you have more "value" to your PageRank than those with less credibility. How is this credibility determined? Why, by their PageRank, of course! So, let's take an example. Lets say you have your Uncle Charlie link to you from his blog to your small business website. Let's also say that Uncle Charlie's blog has a Page Rank of 3 (this is being a little generous because all Uncle Charlie writes about is his dog Sparky and he has limited inbound links). This link from Uncle Charlie will certainly help you - a little bit. It will help you more if you can find 100 such Uncle Charlie websites with a PageRank of 3 and get them to link to you.

 

[SuperLinks]

Seriously though - we get it, PageRank isn't in real time, but guess what its the best thing we have to gauge the level of trust & reputation of a website by Google and the search engines.

How many PageRank updates were there in the last month? 3? Maybe 4? That's the most there have ever been in such a short time frame that I've ever seen since paying attention to PR. If the toolbars are behind, they aren't behind by much right now.

Why is everyone PageRank mad? Because getting solid high pagerank links work, plain and fucking simple. If PageRank didn't matter when it came to backlinks then you wouldn't see billion dollar companies paying for links like crazy. You wouldn't see people complaining of the "garbage" that Google's search results are because those people, the ones that buy links and rank well, wouldn't be ranking.

Face the facts, PageRank is one of the best starting indicators of what kinda links you should be going after. Assuming it hasn't been masked or faked in anyway.

 

[N1CHOLAS]

Seriously though - we get it, PageRank isn't in real time, but guess what its the best thing we have to gauge the level of trust & reputation of a website by Google and the search engines.

Ridiculous.

How many PageRank updates were there in the last month? 3? Maybe 4? That's the most there have ever been in such a short time frame that I've ever seen since paying attention to PR. If the toolbars are behind, they aren't behind by much right now.

How do you know each update was still not months and months old. Just because they frequently update in a short space of time mean it is recent data. They could be frequently updating data from months ago for all we know..

 

[N1CHOLAS]

I'm a great believer in contextual backlinks but if you can find contextual
backlinks from a high PR site even better.

A related content link from any site is a good link. As the op states you don't know what the pr is of the page your buying on.

As for the theory of PR being a snippet of what it once was?
I don't hold much forethought to that.

Well you're completely wrong because it is.

 

[oxonbeef]

Ridiculous.

How do you know each update was still not months and months old. Just because they frequently update in a short space of time mean it is recent data. They could be frequently updating data from months ago for all we know..

Why are you even in IM? With that philosophy you'll never even launch a site.
We work on the data we know, when the data we have changes we change our
tactics. Simple.
I bet you go out on a sunny day with an umbrella in case rain clouds form from
an unseen depression.

 

[N1CHOLAS]

Why are you even in IM? With that philosophy you'll never even launch a site.
We work on the data we know, when the data we have changes we change our
tactics. Simple.
I bet you go out on a sunny day with an umbrella in case rain clouds form from
an unseen depression.

Oh so the fact google went nearly 12 months prior to the recent increase of updates makes pr still a great metic to buy links on?

As i said i have seen sites with pr4 go to pr0 in a couple of months.

If you have a link on an unrelated site and it gets pr0'd then it wasnt a good buy was it.

Either way the original post you made was full of bad info from yourself, you clealy showed you don't know what you're talking about suggesting "i dont buy into this out of date", you are very wrong.

 

[phpbuilt]

Pagerank trolls belong at DP. You obviously don't flip websites, or sell backlinks, or sell reviews, or trade links with other websites in your niche, or any number of activities which are available to someone with good PR.

That's ok, you don't have to flip websites. You don't have to sell backlinks. You don't have to sell reviews on your blogs. You don't have to trade links with other people in your niche. You can make money without doing any of those.

But other people do, and telling them how lame PR is is kind of stupid, I'm sure a good amount of those people make a fair penny more than you.

As a side note, I got a chuckle when I looked at your reputation. I guess "doing business with other webmasters" isn't as high on your priority list as being a PR troll.

 

[N1CHOLAS]

Pagerank trolls belong at DP. You obviously don't flip websites, or sell backlinks, or sell reviews,

It's those people that are biased stating as they already have on this thread

"pagerank is the only way to get good links"

That guy is an idiot

That's ok, you don't have to flip websites. You don't have to sell backlinks. You don't have to sell reviews on your blogs. You don't have to trade links with other people in your niche. You can make money without doing any of those.

You're talking about the people with a bias again, they have incentive to tell everyone pr is the way to get to top of google, the only way as suggested on here.

They obviously havent seen pr0 sites sitting above pr5 in the serps then. Are you suggesting a link from a toolbar pr0 that sits higer than a pr5 offers no benefit

Ludicrous.

 

[N1CHOLAS]

I got a chuckle when I looked at your reputation.

You think rep is worth anything here

I lost count of all the people on here that thank member offering a forum profile link on a pr5 site or what have you. The forum profile isn't a tool bar pr5 it's a nothing page.

This site is full of bad advice which is why rep is silly as buying links for tool bar pr.

 

[SuperLinks]

You think rep is worth anything here

I lost count of all the people on here that thank member offering a forum profile link on a pr5 site or what have you. The forum profile isn't a tool bar pr5 it's a nothing page.

This site is full of bad advice which is why rep is silly as buying links for tool bar pr.

Get the fuck off of BHW..your rep will sort you out soon enough.

You are all over the place in this thread, you can't even get your story straight about why PR is "bullshit"

There's a reason BHW's the #1 place for real SEO information

 

[Autumn]

 

[phpbuilt]

If the perceived value of PR is that it has value, then it has value -- regardless of whether it actually helps with ranking and SEO or not. Who gives a flipping flying crap whether its true value or perceived value, either way it translates into real money.

Google likes to mention repetitively that it has 200 factors it ranks on. To say PR is definitively not one of those 200 factors is just being a troll.

Time to feed the troll -- you're a moron. You've taken the time to post 80 times on these boards and its all wasted effort. If you ever try to conduct business with anyone on these boards, they're going to wonder why you have a reputation of (at the moment) only 3. Then they are going to refuse to do business with you.

Then you'll say wait a minute, I'm actually a good businessman, I have skills, blah blah. It won't matter, because your perceived reputation is trash -- whether or not it is only perceived doesn't matter. Your low reputation would translate into a direct financial loss, just as a high PR on a website would translate into a direct financial gain.

EDIT: by the time I got through typing the post it was reputation 0 lol. Can you get negative PR?