Need some insight on my stealth plan

[Yo_D_]

About 6 months ago I successfully "sold" an iphone 4 on ebay and withdrew the money right when I was paid. It was an exciting time and now I wish to do it again and test what I can do :3

I decided to make a plan first to stay organized and to not make any mistakes that could potentially be costly. I already have some knowledge on this but I took a good read at many threads in this forum for more understanding.

To avoid cookie problems when creating multiple accounts in paypal/ebay I am going to create a new windows user for each pair of stealth accounts and keep tab of them with their own IP address of which I will have VPN's and hidemyass to help me out with.

I will be generating new numbers to verify ebay for selling with google voice and if necessary I will pay the 18 dollars for a new skype number unless there is a better way similar to google voice which is free.

With paypal, each account will get its own VBA and VCC. Where is the best place to get a VBA? I know I can get a VCC here for like 5-7 bucks but I'm having trouble finding a good trustworthy source for VBA's. Is it even necessary with what I am doing?

To withdraw the money, lets say I get 750 dollars into my account from the ebay account. I will give the 750 to a friend of mine and he will gift 700 dollars to my personal account. Is this a solid plan? Instead of losing 50 bucks should I use a separate stealth account to transfer over to my main? Should I use the freelancer/elance method instead to be secure?

I'm trying to do this all as securely as possible and I am trying to make it organized too. I would like any vets to help me if possible before I attempt it



Thanks in advance

 

[onlythabst]

Yeah you need to get a VBA for sure. You can get one for $30. It has to be done if you want instant withdrawal and don't link your phone number to that pp acct.

 

[Yo_D_]

ok makes sense. Where is a good place to get a VBA at the moment?

 

[babypowder]

so you're talking about stealing from people? this is blackhatworld, not straight theft. this is the whole reason it's so hard to deal with ebay in the first place. also with a new account and something worth 650$ they are going to place the 21 day hold on the payment. Also, you're going to get your accounts linked my sending paypal that way especially quickly if you're ripping people off. But don't let me stop you, we need scammers like you gone. This is why ebay/paypal has gone down hill so much.

There are ways to set it up so there is no paper trail whatsoever, but it's more structured for long term, legit deals, not completely scamming them and is relatively costly compared to a throw away stealth account.

 

[Yo_D_]

Could I make several auctions and win them on other stealth accounts and wait till I no longer have the 21 day hold? How many times would they do it for? I'm hoping just once. More than that would seem ridiculous.

 

[adbot]

sounds like something that will wind you up in jail. I'm assuming you are not actually delivering any product, just taking the money and running. Why not put that energy into figuring out a legit way to earn? I had a friend who thought he was slick doing something similar. I used to bash on him all the time about it and he would just laugh and tell me he wouldn't get caught cause he covered his tracks. Well needless to say he wasn't laughing when he called me to bail him out of jail. It ended up costing him $18,000 after it was all said and done, which was twice what he stole. So good luck with it bro.

 

[Narrator]

BHW is not for methods to scam people. Also, your method sounds like a great way to get your friends arrested for money laundering, which of course will lead back to you.

 

[themonaymaker]

I'd highly advise against using Skype, since it is owned by Ebay.

 

[Yo_D_]

I'd highly advise against using Skype, since it is owned by Ebay.

lol did not even know that. Thanks

 

[onlythabst]

so you're talking about stealing from people? this is blackhatworld, not straight theft. this is the whole reason it's so hard to deal with ebay in the first place. also with a new account and something worth 650$ they are going to place the 21 day hold on the payment. Also, you're going to get your accounts linked my sending paypal that way especially quickly if you're ripping people off. But don't let me stop you, we need scammers like you gone. This is why ebay/paypal has gone down hill so much.

There are ways to set it up so there is no paper trail whatsoever, but it's more structured for long term, legit deals, not completely scamming them and is relatively costly compared to a throw away stealth account.

No he is not stealing from the buyer, the buyer would be refunded. Paypal would be left holding the bag! Who cares?

 

[onlythabst]

BHW is not for methods to scam people. Also, your method sounds like a great way to get your friends arrested for money laundering, which of course will lead back to you.

Do not comment on something you nothing about! First of all he is not scamming the buyers as they get refunds from paypal, under the buyer protection policy. 2nd this would not in any way constitute a charge of money laundering. Please stick to talking about things you know something about.

 

[babypowder]

No he is not stealing from the buyer, the buyer would be refunded. Paypal would be left holding the bag! Who cares?

really? it's sick people think like this. 1. it's a legit crime; theft. 2. what if the person bought it as a birthday gift? You understand the dispute process at the very minimum is 14 days? So now your money is tied up 14 days. The person now has to buy another one. Now he has 2 charges on his credit card to pay finance charges because the money is refunded to paypal not directly to your card. Also, what if he saved up and that was all he could afford? Now he has to wait 2+ weeks to buy it again.

Also, this is why ebay and paypal fees are so high. You people must have no business sense whatsoever. Take your time and energy into doing legit business. This is why it's so hard to do legit business on ebay and paypal. Whatever, I'm guilty of tons of stuff, but try not to knowingly rip people off.:croc:

 

[phpbuilt]

About 6 months ago I successfully "sold" an iphone 4 on ebay and withdrew the money right when I was paid.

"You agree to use the Site only for purposes that are legal, proper, and in accordance with the Terms and any applicable policies or guidelines"

http://www.blackhatworld.com/terms.html

You're no different than a bank robber. Hope you get caught and sent to jail. Blackhat doesn't mean "hey I'm a thief". Get lost.

 

[epropages]

Do not comment on something you nothing about! First of all he is not scamming the buyers as they get refunds from paypal, under the buyer protection policy. 2nd this would not in any way constitute a charge of money laundering. Please stick to talking about things you know something about.

This is stealing if no product is delivered no matter how you try and church it up. Your going down a path that isn't welcome here. I am not perfect at all, but I don't rip off anyone, including companies. You seem really smart, why not try another route. Ok I am out. Peace Brother.

 

[lightmaria]

Even if a product is delivered and you immediately withdraw your money then the buyer asks for a refund because I'm assuming you're selling replicas or some 2nd hand shiit because why else would you need a stealth account. Then eventually all your paypal accounts are going to have a negative account balance but that won't stop you because you'll prolly just keep making more accounts.

I tried something like this a few weeks ago. Its a slippery slope. I felt like a total diick. I was afraid of facing legal action. I didn't do it for very long and I ended up refunding everyone who asked for a refund.

I wouldn't do this method if I were you, it's better to find a product that people won't complain about. It's more secure and steady. Pays off on the long run. what you're doing right now people will eventually catch on and you will eventually face legal action and thrown in jail just to make a quick buck.

 

[onlythabst]

Even if a product is delivered and you immediately withdraw your money then the buyer asks for a refund because I'm assuming you're selling replicas or some 2nd hand shiit because why else would you need a stealth account. Then eventually all your paypal accounts are going to have a negative account balance but that won't stop you because you'll prolly just keep making more accounts.

I tried something like this a few weeks ago. Its a slippery slope. I felt like a total diick. I was afraid of facing legal action. I didn't do it for very long and I ended up refunding everyone who asked for a refund.

I wouldn't do this method if I were you, it's better to find a product that people won't complain about. It's more secure and steady. Pays off on the long run. what you're doing right now people will eventually catch on and you will eventually face legal action and thrown in jail just to make a quick buck.

I second this! If you take the small amount of time to learn about legit ways of making money online it will be much more beneficial to you and to others. You don't have to constantly live in fear and you can even tell others about the business you have without sounding like a criminal, like on a resume.

 

[orwellian]

I'd highly advise against using Skype, since it is owned by Ebay.

Skype is owned by Microsoft, not eBay. eBay haven't owned Skype for a while.

 

[Lordstriker]

Go for it...you plan is flawed, your morals are flawed...you deserve to be caught.

Stealing is a crime, you go way beyond the grey area in which most of us operate.

You will be linked/caught for laundering.

To be fair as mentioned before, paypal may refund the customer, but you have still stolen money, no matter whos pocket it came from.

 

[shockerzs]

I am looking for help with a new paypal accoutn and ebay account, I was a top seller and power seller, competition bought from me and took me out, I still have a ton of product left, need help, I do sell high risk replicas, but I dont steal I deliver the item if they are unhappy I refund, been selling them for a long time but now need help getting back on can someone help?

 

[beeHWfan]

Yeah I would be careful about extending my black hat fingers into the sticky arms of the law. I will do black hat all day but if it's something that could catch up with me later I prefer not to go BACK to prison. That's right, I don't want to go back. I did 2 years from age 19 - 21 in 1995. I was a juvenille deliquent. But I am grown up now. 35yrs old.

Making money is great, black hat is great, but not worth losing your life or a few years over. Better to spend a little more time finding something that works.