Dealing with CPA companies

[Simas9]

Hey there,
I made a website for teen audience and I will be driving some "grey-traffic" to it soon (seo). I could pretty much put any kind of offer for teen audience there and I have some questions about "how not to get banned by CPA companies while using Robs CPA redirect?"

1) What kind of offer type should I choose? I am thinking about mobile pin-submits and I think that the offer provider will not get mad about my methods because he will be making money too - am I right?
2) When a user gets a text message with a pin code in it - he gets only the pin or "you will be charged 8usd/week" line will be added to the message too?
3) Should I buy some fake traffic directly to my offer page to make it more real if me conversation ratio is like 33%?
4) Is it a good idea to use "email/zip" submit offers? If I deliver not quality offer-targeted audience to it won`t the offer provider be pissed and complain?


P.S I am a member of AdSquare, peerfly, CJ and profit kings media at the moment.


Thanks for your answers and time.

 

[mdinv]

You shouldn't get banned for Grey hat.

Only issue will be age of your audience. Mobile is not allowed to target under 18. This isn't really an issue unless your site is overtly under 18.
On zips the quality may be poor because of the younger audience.

Maybe start with zips just to be able to test quicker
I would run everything, see what works

 

[Simas9]

Damn, my audience is mostly younger than 18... but won`t the redirect help me here cause nobody will be able to find out about that they are underage. I am talking about mobile and email submits here.

 

[luiza]

i would blend in paid traffic. ask your cpa manager what the typical conversion rate is and stay under the radar with cheap paid traffic.

 

[SecretMoney]

you should ask your AM first

 

[m0nster]

FYI they can sometimes detect if you buy fake traffic. all i have to offer. goodluck

 

[$ThisIsTheLife$]

Yeah you should check out email sbmits

 

[Autumn]

1) What kind of offer type should I choose? I am thinking about mobile pin-submits and I think that the offer provider will not get mad about my methods because he will be making money too - am I right?
2) When a user gets a text message with a pin code in it - he gets only the pin or "you will be charged 8usd/week" line will be added to the message too?
3) Should I buy some fake traffic directly to my offer page to make it more real if me conversation ratio is like 33%?
4) Is it a good idea to use "email/zip" submit offers? If I deliver not quality offer-targeted audience to it won`t the offer provider be pissed and complain?

1) Email submits always convert better than pin submits because most people realize that pin submits cost money (even dumb teenagers), but of course you're getting paid less per conversion. But you'll only know which is more profitable after you test.

2) Depends on the network and the legalities of the country you're promoting the pins in, the scammier / higher profit ones won't have any payment message but are also more likely not to pay you. In some countries the operator is legally required to include the "you will be charged $x" in the message.

3) I wouldn't worry about it unless you can buy fake traffic in the particular country that your offers apply to, otherwise it's kind of pointless and could even be counterproductive if it's all shitty Indian or Chinese traffic that no one wants anyway. Fake your referrers with Brad's CPA redirector and show your affiliate program a nice clean full page ad. There's nothing inherently wrong with sending a stream of high converting clicks as long as you have a nice descriptive full page ad that justifies the conversions and a good story as to where the traffic is coming from (eg PPC) - just don't convert 1:1!

If you're sending from a teen-oriented site then you definitely need to fake your referrers so you can hide the fact that most of your viewership is under 18.

4) Just test and see. Obviously targeted works the best but it's just a money and effort in vs money out game. I've never had much luck with pin submits and only use them in countries for which there are no decent email offers, but YMMV.

ps. Peerfly is a sucky network to use if you're using any kind of dodgy traffic generation techniques - they convert quite well but are eager to ban, and it doesn't matter how much you make if they end up banning you and keeping all your money.

 

[Simas9]

Peerfly is my only serious looking network right now, I am still waiting for neverblue/COPEAC/EWA to approve me but know peerfly is my only choice, cause the other networks I am in does not look professional and trustworthy. Maybe CJ.com (I am a member of it too) looks as quality as the Peerfly.

Today I have spent 13hours working, made a innocent looking blog with my CPA ads, three different redirections for US/CA/international targeted offers (located by users IP) and installed three offers for them. Also my web just hit a first page on the SERPS. My keywords is 25k exact searches/month so hope to see some results soon. Thanks for your tips and support!

 

[Autumn]

It's not strictly necessary to set up a whole blog every time. I'd recommend considering setting up a separate domain just for your referrer faking scripts and full page ads - just put each offer in its own subdirectory. It's faster, and just using full page ads / landing pages is standard practice with PPC, especially if you're using PPC networks other than Adwords that don't have a quality score requirement, so it won't arouse suspicion.

Also if you're getting organic traffic to your blog (which is a good thing of course) then you will also get organic conversions that will distort your conversion ratios when you're comparing different traffic sources.

Keep up the good work!