CPA DIAMONDS SCAM ! ( WnrWnrChickenDinner )

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I can understand having maybe limited-time, approval-based $1.75 e-mail submits. But when a whole network is based on $1.75 e-mail submits, I don't understand how one can think that is a good business decision. I understand how this easily attracts new members to start off the network, but that's not what should have been done.

If one opens a brand new network and starts sending low-quality traffic from the start, how can he think that his advertisers are going to let him keep going? But that's inevitable if the network is open to the public. Keeping the network private for a limited time, accepting only quality publishers, is what should have been done, much like how many sites open in private beta so that when it goes public, there's something worthwhile there. For a network, this is credibility.

But a recipe for disaster was concocted:
1. $1.75 e-mail submits were the focus point of the network.
2. The owner accepted newcomers to help them get involved in CPA.
3. He openly stated he would accept blackhat traffic.

When one posts on a blackhat forum and says he accepts most blackhat traffic, I don't understand how he can think that is a good idea, since the leads are bound to never convert.

But I guess anyone who aspires to be a network owner can take this as a guide of what not to do.
 
I found this quote amusing

"This is the end of it, I didnt get paid. Because of you I even lost many offers and now I can only afford to pay 1.35 for them"


So you make a few grand and since your traffic might not be the best, he somehow lost alot of offers? What kind of rinky dink shit is that?
 
Someone gave me a negative rep for the following post I wrote. The person who gave neg rep calls "idiot" in the neg rep comment. lol.

Not crying of course, but please at least put your great name along with the comment.

I request that the neg rep is investigated by dear mods to understand the attitude/reason behind it. Sorry dear mods, but again, I protest for such behavior by some member/s who seem to be unduly trigger-happy esp on such very important threads.

Again, I don't mind if they take away all my reps for whatever reasons, but give a valid reason at least.



This post is not to lower the seriousness of this thread... far from it.

This is a serious thread no doubt, and I will always try to help analyze and stop any such scam on BHW, my most favorite forums, esp. if the victim/s happen to be BHW member/s. The neg rep is not important to me, but the approach of such neg rep on an important discussion like this thread for example, is... Hence this post...


It was a pretty long read... but all the while I got a feeling that wnrwnr was simply asking the OP to keep moving, keep moving, keep moving... till eternity with a "carrot" in front saying that the OP will sure get paid however. Bad.

From the conversation between them on the blog, it also made clear that the person showed extreme unprofessional attitude while asking/"demanding"/getting OP to keep sending the traffic... then when the pay time came, he was quiet, a "deathly quiet" I would say. Such mouth-gags happen when the matter is very serious (from one end, usually by the person who is supposed to send payment), and it only means that the payment isn't coming thus resulting in major nervous/anxiety moments for the other person. Too Bad!

The other thread opened by wnrwnr now seems like a possible "scam in the making" to me at least.

That JV seems to be a hurriedly pulled off scheme to keep his own network running at all costs -- with the possibility: may be the JV too sinks with it. So is that network failing? (which is a possibility from all the complaints being seen here)...

So I think that the JV possibly has too many risks involved for our members here... the points going against wnrwnr, IMHO, are: Unprofessional approach in dealing with the publisher/s, stops "talking" when it comes to act with maturity (defaults on payments -- possibly he is not paying many other publishers too and running away from duties hiding behind the TOS), and to be honest --- I didn't find wnrwnr's overall conversation with other members on his thread/s too polite or professional... that could be my single opinion, could be wrong, but it gives me a bad feeling that the other JV thread opened by wnrwnr is not going to be great for any BHW members involved in it.



And if that happenes then that would be very very bad... and all these too many "bad's" don't make me any happy about the overall situation where our BHW members' dealing with wnrwnr is concerned. To me, he has done injustice to the OP and some other members, and the JV can go the same way -- down -- and with the major stakes involved in it... hmmm....




So dear Mods, I request you to also consider whether to also allow the continuation of that JV thread any further and to consider if there are risks involved for our members in the proposal, keeping in mind what has happened to the OP and other BHW members here on this thread...

Thanks!
 
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hope you get paid soon, it is an awful feeling to be in this situation
 
regardless of my experience here i do believe the reason he's not paying is because he's not getting paid. And he doesn't want to pay out of pocket...which is easy to understand because it would be pure loss for him.

But at the same time its frustrating for us publishers to take pure loss, especially when many of us sent acceptable traffic, didn't break his rules, etc.


People in this thread said it best...BH networks just don't work.
 
im owned $312 and the owner promised to send me a payment on monday, a few days passed still no payment, he been ignoring me since then. this is the worst network or person ive worked with.

guys lets fight againt him and get us paid in full!
 
Starting on a wrong foot almost never gets the things to be right in future.

The person did the same mistake, and from all the proofs, I guess he is too young to understand the importance of beginning a serious business seriously. :), also while doing so, he took many people down along with him through may be false goals, greed, false ambitions, false statements, etc. and thus deceiving himself and many others through a 100% wrong approach (IMO) ... he could have made a much brighter and better living otherwise, and thus also missed on the opportunity of making a lot of powerful friends in the process.

My 2 cents.:D
 
Haha, look at this!
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I was about to run a few grand per day to this guy.
 
I would like to express my thanks to Bigbuddy,Profector for resolving this for me and for the benefit of other members here.

@ wnrwnr This was not personal, my intention was not to bring your thread down, i only wanted to get paid since you kept saying you will until yesterday. you took me off from aim and your network and left me no choice, if not may be we could have resolved this without going through all this.

http://cpadiamondsscam.blogspot.com/ I will remove this blog down once i receive payment and will inform back here.

Once again thanks to BHW, MODS, ADMINS and others who was being honest and treated without a partiality.


thanks and rep given to those who i felt was being honest.

Will report back soon !

Who is "profector" :)

srb: If you want i can give you 5+ in rep? :)
 
Dear Ericsson,

Many Thanks! :) But I don't need those 5+ great reps now.

If and when, with God's Grace, I am able to really help someone in a very nice way & when my heart says, "Yeh, that was very satisfying...", then I will look forward very eagerly to have those 5 positive reps from you. :)

When they come on real merit, it's more fun.

Keep Smiling! :)
 
Thanks for this thread. Being a noob, this is a good reminder one can get into trouble in this business.
 
Bottom line is if you're gonna run BH traffic through these networks you are going to be running the risk of not getting paid.

I signed up with cpadiamonds but never used him. I asked him several times about running BH traffic and if I had to hide where the leads were coming from. I was told I should hide the referrer and the traffic needs to convert or I risk problems.

Right there I knew that the potential for problems was high. I decided to stick with companies I knew would take my traffic even though I would get paid less.

I feel bad for the people who didn't get paid but you guys know that the risks are high for these problems. You should spread your traffic around to different networks to prevent getting hit hard.
 
So where is this guy? its time for him to defend, why is he silent now?
 
We have heard all we wanted to hear... Never did read everything, glad however that we didn't begin promoting his offers like we were going to, which included white hat promotion.... Im very disappointed... We are already having trouble with another CPA company, that I am going to confront first in a more private manner, but shaving has gotten out of hand with cpa companies as of late... I do suggest that everyone who promotes cpa offers get a tracking system that not only tells you how many clicks that are leaving your site, but also how many fill out your offer because its odd how many exits to the ads we get, but not even clicks on our companies records... So we instituted something like this and found out exactly how bad the cpa company that we were using on that site was doing to us... So good luck to all that are promoting offers, there are a lot of good companies out there, just have to get in them... And we have to start talking more about the ones that are doing us shitty.

Dizz
 
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Why you dont use prestigious networks ? I made ten thousands with Zanox, Adsmarket, Maxbounty, etc. Pure spam traffic, no complatins. They got me paid in the last two year.
 
Profector Should answer this that BH friendly networks work or they dont
Personally i have seen many BH friendly networks growing


bh friendly networks will never work"
 
all right that's enough post spinning lol Pofecker's name has been spinned out of proportion :D
 
Someone gave me a negative rep for the following post I wrote. The person who gave neg rep calls "idiot" in the neg rep comment. lol.


That was bad, I found your posts being sensible, i see you did actually took time to do the analysis before you put down your comment.

+ rep
for being honest !
 
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