newnetworks
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could you please let us all know how to find out who and why they neg repped you?
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could you please let us all know how to find out who and why they neg repped you?
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JesusBack
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he actually left his stupid "sig" at the end of it.
meathead1234
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This happens quite a bit, I quite often get angry messages from people asking why I left them neg rep when I didn't lol.
I think the report rep would be a good idea actually, I've had quite a nasty death threat via rep and IMO members like that shouldn't be allowed on public forums, especially as they are Jr VIPs or above (only people who can neg rep).
Bostoncab
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- Dec 31, 2009
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I am currently getting crushed almost weekly with Negreps. I think I am -8 right now. Jesus says it may be a case where people see my rep so low and they pig pile on because they think it is funny. I know I make dumb comments sometimes but I am really just trying to make people laugh. I guess in the future i`ll just read and not comment but if you want my vote I think the rep system needs reform.
GreyWolf
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Anyone getting a neg rep like that can also be sure it isn't from meathead or any other member with a high rep because rep power increases based on join date, post count, and rep points. If someone gets a neg rep that only deducts 1 point then it for sure isn't from anyone with a really high rep.
On the other hand if someone does get a -2 or higher neg rep from someone then they should really think about what kind of posts their making. All the members I know that have a higher rep power really take it seriously before deciding to give a neg rep.
A lot of people will also give more neg reps just for complaining about a neg rep. If you continue complaining it can definately turn into a neg rep frenzy. If you're simply complaining about the fact of getting stupid or unfair neg reps then it's almost guaranteed to make the problem worse.
If someone made a rep comment that you really feel strongly that you want to make a public answer about then that's one thing. Like if someone calls you a racist and you definately aren't and want to explain yourself. It's risky to even do that, but at least in that case you're not so much complaining about a neg rep as making an answer to someones accusation. If you already have a low rep then even in that case it's better to just let it go.
Whatever the case and regardless of it being fair or not, if you continually keep getting more neg reps then you're doing something wrong. It might seem to you that it shouldn't be wrong, but if the neg reps keep coming then it should be obvious nonetheless.
The best thing you can do in that situation is keep quiet about it and stop making whatever type posts seem to get neg repped the most. Sometimes you just have to accept how things work, any other action is pretty much guaranteed to make it worse.
|BlackMarket|
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- Nov 10, 2010
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Sorry but not that i'm trying to look for an enemy or what but i just wanted to give my own output and 2 cents since we have this open debate...(well this will be more matured rather than hiding yourself behind the rep system and giving -rep with an immature comment, right?..)
Ok here is the thing, i did post a long winded essay on the 1st page of this thread and pointed out that the main issue here is about abusing the -rep with an immature or irrelevant comments.
For me, anyone have the right to give the -rep if it is deemed to be appropriate. Furthermore this is NOT the 17th/18th Century hence democracy should be for everyone, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and freedom of the people are essential so that users are informed and able to rep in their personal interests.
But theoretically we are running on the oligarchy system. It means a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, corporate, or military control. Small segment of society refer to Jr Vip and the family ties as what implemented currently.
Oligarchies have been tyrannical throughout history, being completely reliant on public servitude to exist. Although Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy; but oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group, and do not have to be connected by bloodlines as in a monarchy.
But we can live with it if the users are educated/matured enough to post relevant -rep and not a stupid and funny -rep which obviously shows the immaturity of the individual's mentality, but yet again maybe because most of them are under age...
And initially this was given to Jr Vip because we assume that they are matured enough but actually they can simply buy the maturity as long they have $97 and its like buying the Sir title from the British country in order to get respected.
In any cases, the problem if we keep quite about it will resulted to more damage because you are giving this bunch of people the right to do whatever they want. It like leaving the thief or murderer alone and would you think the next day they will stop?
The only things that can solve this is by implement a stricter rules like i mentioned earlier so that this people afraid and will think twice before they post any stupid -rep. BHW also need to send a harsh message to them by banning this stupid -rep so that others wont dare to simply giving immature rep.
This is something that i cant accept. "Things" can change and we are the one that make it possible. Same like blackhat where by right we should accept how things out there works but because of we are blackhatter, here we are twist and turn the concept just to ensure that we can make money from it. I can accept if the sky is blue instead of red but things that is implemented/created by human is something that can be change for the betterment of the community.
So the point here i'm trying to raise is not on the repping but the concept/reason being -rep by certain individuals who simply ABUSE THE PRIVILEGE given and entrusted towards them. Do they deserved the trust?
From ABUSE OF POWER, they will turn up become a SCAMMER just because of the 'greed' conquer their immature mind and mentality. Didn't we learned from the mistake in G00B3r scenario?? Where he abuse the power because of the greed hence he scammed people??
I vote for the Report Rep Button to be implemented and a Mod should investigate each -rep and ban the user so that BHW giving a clear message to others.
Food For Thought.
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Ransackedout
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People only negrep when they are butthurt about some comment you made, you shouldn't care about it and just move on, I honestly get neg repped for the most silly things.
Alas..
This page freaking cracked me up. Thank you!
srb888
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This thread will go on and on. Let's also begin compensating each other with positive rep whenever someone is victimized. I know the rep system can be just ignored, but the hit the mind takes due to some stupid extra-privileged goes trigger-happy and we cannot "hit" back makes the system extra-flawed.
People say ignore them, but why should we? We don't ignore when some one passes an expletive to us on the streets, any woman doesn't like it when someone "touches" her in a wrong way, even the children do hit back at bullies, so why should we keep quiet and allow any person to bully us, and also why does he/she get extra immunity from the "system" (because he/she gave an extra $97)? It's similar to allow a politician or his son to go on a rape-spree just because he/his pop got elected...
We shouldn't care about the rep system any more only because it is abused by those few. It is just numbers, someone would say... but it has become a part of our existence here on BHW because it is shown along with out "names" right up there. It becomes a psychological barrier too when we see someone having a very low (even a 9 or 8, because 10 is the standard)... let's have freedom from this part at least (the rep system). Also look at it this way... your iTrader comes to 0 on Jan 1 every year (tell me if this is not the case), then why shouldn't a rep number also resets to 10 every Jan 1 (zero would be a lot better in this case)... but it still wouldn't keep those extra-privileged from bombing our minds for 365 more days.
Also look at it this way... if it was possible to hit the iTraders also, then think how much trade would have been possible on BHW? Same is the case with the Rep system. It hurts as bad as a bad-iTrader husts a merchant-seller-trader relationship.
So lets give out our positive reps to the victims freely. It will come to a point where it will become a joke and useless, and automatically will be removed. Until it is removed we would try to compensate and spread some peace of mind. If and when the neg-reppists are caught and banned for life, it would be a day for celebration for all others. Let there be more such days until BHW is completely sanitized of this evil. Can you get such privilege outside in real world by paying for example $97? That by paying that amount, you are given a free choice to "touch", to bully, to rob some one's peace of mind? No.
I would definitely go and give my positive rep to any victim when I find him/her saying that a wrong has been done in his/her case... I would be more happy if some one comes along and joins me in giving someone some happiness and a small actual help in helping the victim get back the Rep count. I don't mind if the victims get a "little" more help (some additional positives) in such cases.
Let the people who can really stop the abuse come forward and do it. I welcome their action any day, but until then let's make sure that no one is made a victim by the chicken neg-"reppists"... they are just similar to the actual rapists on the streets and so we can't simply ignore their "act" from now on.
God Bless!
People say ignore them, but why should we? We don't ignore when some one passes an expletive to us on the streets, any woman doesn't like it when someone "touches" her in a wrong way, even the children do hit back at bullies, so why should we keep quiet and allow any person to bully us, and also why does he/she get extra immunity from the "system" (because he/she gave an extra $97)? It's similar to allow a politician or his son to go on a rape-spree just because he/his pop got elected...
We shouldn't care about the rep system any more only because it is abused by those few. It is just numbers, someone would say... but it has become a part of our existence here on BHW because it is shown along with out "names" right up there. It becomes a psychological barrier too when we see someone having a very low (even a 9 or 8, because 10 is the standard)... let's have freedom from this part at least (the rep system). Also look at it this way... your iTrader comes to 0 on Jan 1 every year (tell me if this is not the case), then why shouldn't a rep number also resets to 10 every Jan 1 (zero would be a lot better in this case)... but it still wouldn't keep those extra-privileged from bombing our minds for 365 more days.
Also look at it this way... if it was possible to hit the iTraders also, then think how much trade would have been possible on BHW? Same is the case with the Rep system. It hurts as bad as a bad-iTrader husts a merchant-seller-trader relationship.
So lets give out our positive reps to the victims freely. It will come to a point where it will become a joke and useless, and automatically will be removed. Until it is removed we would try to compensate and spread some peace of mind. If and when the neg-reppists are caught and banned for life, it would be a day for celebration for all others. Let there be more such days until BHW is completely sanitized of this evil. Can you get such privilege outside in real world by paying for example $97? That by paying that amount, you are given a free choice to "touch", to bully, to rob some one's peace of mind? No.
I would definitely go and give my positive rep to any victim when I find him/her saying that a wrong has been done in his/her case... I would be more happy if some one comes along and joins me in giving someone some happiness and a small actual help in helping the victim get back the Rep count. I don't mind if the victims get a "little" more help (some additional positives) in such cases.
Let the people who can really stop the abuse come forward and do it. I welcome their action any day, but until then let's make sure that no one is made a victim by the chicken neg-"reppists"... they are just similar to the actual rapists on the streets and so we can't simply ignore their "act" from now on.
God Bless!
nanavlad
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I don;t particularly care about my rep, but it is important, But I do think the rep system in itself is a good thing,
Now some people are calling for these kids who give - rep for fun, or just to show off how powerful they are ,should be banned. Thats a bit like taking a sledgehammer to kill a flea.
A better system would be after somebody has given 5-reps a mod should have a look and see if they where justified, and if he finds , its a kid playing with his new toy button, then it should be taken away from him, till he grows up.
Set it that he can neither give + or - REP till he gains 25 rep points with no neg reps.
I think children will be children, They need to be punished, but in the punishment should be an opportunity to redeem themselves.
The more mature children will think twice before they neg rep, and the babies will soon lose their priveleges.
Yes a bit of extra work for the mods, but I think it will put a stop to the messing about in a very short time, and yet not harm the forum.
I am sure someone could code a script to flag this and while he is at it check to see that their is not a bunch of scammeers increasing each others rep in preparation for scamming the members of this great forum.
It hurts the forum, even when its a noob with no rep pulls a scam , but when its a reputable member who does it, then a spirit of non trust arises,
well thats my 2 cents worth
Now some people are calling for these kids who give - rep for fun, or just to show off how powerful they are ,should be banned. Thats a bit like taking a sledgehammer to kill a flea.
A better system would be after somebody has given 5-reps a mod should have a look and see if they where justified, and if he finds , its a kid playing with his new toy button, then it should be taken away from him, till he grows up.
Set it that he can neither give + or - REP till he gains 25 rep points with no neg reps.
I think children will be children, They need to be punished, but in the punishment should be an opportunity to redeem themselves.
The more mature children will think twice before they neg rep, and the babies will soon lose their priveleges.
Yes a bit of extra work for the mods, but I think it will put a stop to the messing about in a very short time, and yet not harm the forum.
I am sure someone could code a script to flag this and while he is at it check to see that their is not a bunch of scammeers increasing each others rep in preparation for scamming the members of this great forum.
It hurts the forum, even when its a noob with no rep pulls a scam , but when its a reputable member who does it, then a spirit of non trust arises,
well thats my 2 cents worth
The Captain
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you are just being a hypocrite. you want to abuse the rep system by giving out rep for no reason at all, yet you whinge about others neg repping without a reason.
STOP abusing the system and get on with posting.
GreyWolf
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@BlackMarket
lol - don't worry I don't make enemies just because someone doesn't agree with me. I'm not even saying that everything here is fair, just that it doesn't really matter. That's just part of how the world works. Lots of things aren't fair and they don't necessarily always even need to be. If people want to join a forum then they just need to be willing to follow the rules that are in place, if they think the rules suck then they don't have to join.
You're first point about the oligarchy system and how democracy should rule. That might be true in society as a whole, and it might even be how we want the internet to be run. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily the most efficient system. Beside that we're talking about an individual website here. The creators of BlackHatWorld had an idea of the type of forum they wanted to start. Their idea was good enough that it became successful. That success may be due in large part because of the members themselves, but it's still going to be operated within the constraints of what the owner wants the website to be. If it was actually to be run as a democracy then it might possibly evolve into something completely different. You might feel that would be better, but I actually became a member here because I liked the forum I joined. I didn't join so I could change it into something else.
If you were to invite a large group of people into your home, would you decide to let all your guests have a democratic vote as to the rules in your home? If you did decide to do that, how far would you let that go?
You're second point about how my suggestion is wrong about it being for people getting neg reps to keep quiet and stop making the type of posts that are getting them neg reps. I'm not saying it's a matter of right or wrong, but rather a matter of common sense. The vast majority of members on the forum don't really get many neg reps. Maybe one or two for some post they make before they really learn the types of things people like here, but nothing major. But if they make a big deal about how unfair it is they got a neg rep it's almost certain that they'll get many more neg reps. If they want to ignore the fact of the negrep but address something about the comment then it can make some sense, but it still has some risk of more neg reps. In that case though since it isn't really just a complaint about a neg rep it's possible to even get plus rep if what you have to say makes a worthwhile point.
I guess basically if you get a neg rep it isn't really a big deal, just try to make a better post that might get a plus rep. If instead of doing that you decide to make a thread complaining about it then you'll probably just get neg rep from people that don't like that. Remember the same person can't give rep to the same person again right away, so if a guy is getting multiple neg reps it's because multiple people feel he deserves it. So if someone is really worried about their rep, but chooses to do things that are guaranteed to get more neg reps even after they are told what the result will be then they aren't being very smart. Rather than trying to get the system to change for those people, sometimes people should be smart enough to know when it's better to change for the system.
You're last point is that you can't accept the idea that sometimes you should just accept how things work. You give examples of how as blackhatters we try to work our way around things that we don't like. Well that actually makes my point, we accept how things work whether we think they're fair or not and just try to figure out how we can get the most out of the system as it is. We might work around the rules sometimes, but if it has a negative effect we learn from it and don't just keep doing it over and over and bitching that it isn't fair that it doesn't work. For example iIt wouldn't be very smart to just think captchas are unfair and so keep bitching to all the forums and websites that use them. Instead we learn how to get around them without getting banned for it. The captchas are still there, and if we're caught trying to get around them we get accounts banned for it.
I'm absolutely not the smartest guy around here, but this is just basic common sense. If you want to get the most use out of something then it's best to learn how it works and then work within the system. If you're doing something that gets negative results then do less of it, if your doing something that gets positive results then do more of that.
You can be a rebel if you want, but if it isn't accomplishing anything then it doesn't make sense to continue rebelling. The forum does have a place for making suggestions, but that doesn't mean just because you make a suggestion it's going to happen. Even in a democracy everyone doesn't always get their way, and things aren't always fair.
Is there some abuse of the rep system? Of course there is, but I don't think its so out of hand as to be considered broken. Even if there were changes made it wouldn't necessarily prevent the possibility of abuse. The rep system may not work perfectly, but it seems as though the people that complain the most about it are the ones that just continually fight against it. Rather than just accepting the occasional unjustified neg rep and focus on making better posts that might get plus rep, they just keep doing the same thing over and draw attention to the fact. And then they wonder why it isn't working for them.
lol - don't worry I don't make enemies just because someone doesn't agree with me. I'm not even saying that everything here is fair, just that it doesn't really matter. That's just part of how the world works. Lots of things aren't fair and they don't necessarily always even need to be. If people want to join a forum then they just need to be willing to follow the rules that are in place, if they think the rules suck then they don't have to join.
You're first point about the oligarchy system and how democracy should rule. That might be true in society as a whole, and it might even be how we want the internet to be run. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily the most efficient system. Beside that we're talking about an individual website here. The creators of BlackHatWorld had an idea of the type of forum they wanted to start. Their idea was good enough that it became successful. That success may be due in large part because of the members themselves, but it's still going to be operated within the constraints of what the owner wants the website to be. If it was actually to be run as a democracy then it might possibly evolve into something completely different. You might feel that would be better, but I actually became a member here because I liked the forum I joined. I didn't join so I could change it into something else.
If you were to invite a large group of people into your home, would you decide to let all your guests have a democratic vote as to the rules in your home? If you did decide to do that, how far would you let that go?
You're second point about how my suggestion is wrong about it being for people getting neg reps to keep quiet and stop making the type of posts that are getting them neg reps. I'm not saying it's a matter of right or wrong, but rather a matter of common sense. The vast majority of members on the forum don't really get many neg reps. Maybe one or two for some post they make before they really learn the types of things people like here, but nothing major. But if they make a big deal about how unfair it is they got a neg rep it's almost certain that they'll get many more neg reps. If they want to ignore the fact of the negrep but address something about the comment then it can make some sense, but it still has some risk of more neg reps. In that case though since it isn't really just a complaint about a neg rep it's possible to even get plus rep if what you have to say makes a worthwhile point.
I guess basically if you get a neg rep it isn't really a big deal, just try to make a better post that might get a plus rep. If instead of doing that you decide to make a thread complaining about it then you'll probably just get neg rep from people that don't like that. Remember the same person can't give rep to the same person again right away, so if a guy is getting multiple neg reps it's because multiple people feel he deserves it. So if someone is really worried about their rep, but chooses to do things that are guaranteed to get more neg reps even after they are told what the result will be then they aren't being very smart. Rather than trying to get the system to change for those people, sometimes people should be smart enough to know when it's better to change for the system.
You're last point is that you can't accept the idea that sometimes you should just accept how things work. You give examples of how as blackhatters we try to work our way around things that we don't like. Well that actually makes my point, we accept how things work whether we think they're fair or not and just try to figure out how we can get the most out of the system as it is. We might work around the rules sometimes, but if it has a negative effect we learn from it and don't just keep doing it over and over and bitching that it isn't fair that it doesn't work. For example iIt wouldn't be very smart to just think captchas are unfair and so keep bitching to all the forums and websites that use them. Instead we learn how to get around them without getting banned for it. The captchas are still there, and if we're caught trying to get around them we get accounts banned for it.
I'm absolutely not the smartest guy around here, but this is just basic common sense. If you want to get the most use out of something then it's best to learn how it works and then work within the system. If you're doing something that gets negative results then do less of it, if your doing something that gets positive results then do more of that.
You can be a rebel if you want, but if it isn't accomplishing anything then it doesn't make sense to continue rebelling. The forum does have a place for making suggestions, but that doesn't mean just because you make a suggestion it's going to happen. Even in a democracy everyone doesn't always get their way, and things aren't always fair.
Is there some abuse of the rep system? Of course there is, but I don't think its so out of hand as to be considered broken. Even if there were changes made it wouldn't necessarily prevent the possibility of abuse. The rep system may not work perfectly, but it seems as though the people that complain the most about it are the ones that just continually fight against it. Rather than just accepting the occasional unjustified neg rep and focus on making better posts that might get plus rep, they just keep doing the same thing over and draw attention to the fact. And then they wonder why it isn't working for them.
srb888
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You call it a pathetic tantrum while I call it a fight against the neg-rep-abuse. From so many complaints above and so many others complaining elsewhere on the forum, neg-rep-abuse a reality.
This is precisely why I want, as a member of BHW, to have this abuse ended.
GreyWolf
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Dang srb888 just let it go. Do you really think starting a crusade against the rep system is a valuable contribution to the forum? I actually thought about giving you a plus rep just to help you out at first, but now I understand why people were giving you the neg reps you're complaining about. You've actually dragged this on so much you made me want to give you a neg rep instead. To make you happy I'll go ahead and sign it for you too.
If the rep is so important to you then your time would be better spent making posts that are actually worth getting plus reps for. That's a better way to combat the neg reps. Your posts in this thread certainly don't fall into that category. Things might not be perfect but really, it's getting old and really does seem like a bunch of whining.
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srb888
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I saw it. If my "dragged crusade" against an abuse is that bad then your neg rep (double) is welcome, if it is not then there are others to decide.
P.S.: To your further addition to your post above:
No, the rep system is not that important to me, but the abuse of that particular item, and thus abusing the whole general system is the most important factor for me. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to make my views clear once again. God Bless!
P.S.: To your further addition to your post above:
No, the rep system is not that important to me, but the abuse of that particular item, and thus abusing the whole general system is the most important factor for me. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to make my views clear once again. God Bless!
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GreyWolf
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Well there may very well be incidents of abuse with the system, but you've actually in this thread advocated a systematic wide scale overall abuse of the system in order to combat the smaller isolated instances of abuse that you feel are unfair.
As I said the rep system may not be perfect, but the vast majority of people on the forum are able to deal with it. As a matter of fact before ever getting a plus rep I first recieved 3 neg reps. All -3 of them were exactly the type of reps you're complaining about. So I started out with a rep 7 when I first started making most of my posts. Over time I've received a few more on occasion. Instead of advocating the overthrow of the rep system though I just made note of the fact and started making more posts that were likely t get plus rep instead.
I guess if you can't make posts good enough to overcome the few unjustified reps you might occasionally get, then the best you can do is beg to get the rep system changed.
There might have been a few good points made by various members in this thread, but overall it's now become a pretty worthless thread. Instead of taking from it a bit of knowledge and advice on how to actually get along in the system and grow your rep even with the occasional neg rep abuse, you've made it into a thread about just abusing the system in the opposite direction to suit your own needs.
Your advocated abuse of the system isn't any better than those that you're complaining about. You're rep almost doubled because people were feeling bad about your poor rep abuse story and yet you still don't let it go.
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