[Life Advice for 18-30] How to Get Stupidly Wealthy

For example I am from germany and my monthly salary is like $2500 usd how can i compound with this much money

It's like after all expenses i am left with $1000 monthly can you please guide sir should i put $1000 in voo etf

But I don't know where to buy and how to buy

The more you can save the better. If it means living with your parents for 10 years for example do it.

You just need to do it for 10 years and you set yourself up for life.

If you do $1k/mo for 10 years your setup looks like:

year 10: $189k in portfolio.

At this point, you can stop adding. Just bank all your salary and start living.

Year 20: $449k in portfolio. At this point you can take 2% loans. It's not much, but it's $13.5k per year. But if you're mid 20's now, then this is when you're 55, so you're still working and have an extra $1k/mo.

year 30: Your principle is $1m - Your yearly loans are $31k.

It's not much, but it's $3k/mo for doing nothing. Decent retirement.

It compounds quickly from here though.

year 35: You can start to take 4% loans at this point. You're probably mid 60's. You have a good 20-25 years of great life left if you took care of yourself.

With 4% you've got $65k/year at year 35

$100k/year at 40, then by year 43-44 you'd reduce to 3% as you're approaching LTV of 40%.

It's decent. You give up $1k/mo of lifestyle spending for 10 years when you're young, in exchange for age 55+ having increasing tax free monthly amounts until you die. Your 60's, 70s and 80's would be relaxing, travelling, spending time with friends. A good life.

The technique works to get wealthy, and it works to just have a comfortable life. Depends how much you bank.
 
My father started doing this at the age of 60 after heart attack. Lil late.

I'm 28 but my income fluctuates a lot, so it could be maybe 10% of my income. Maybe 30%...

Last year I was optimizing costs of living to absolute minimum. Now I have savings.
 
This is the kind of thinking that keeps the masses poor, guys.

THIS. Exactly this.

When bitcoin was $10, it was a pure gamble.

You may as well go and buy a shitcoin now.

You may as well buy a lottery ticket.

This is NOT how you get wealthy.

Bitcoin will not make huge gains anymore. Those days are over.

You aren't going to turn $5k in bitcoin into 10's of millions.

What it will probably do is a clean 15% compounding for the next few years, then settle into 8-12%

You don't NEED shitcoins. You don't NEED 100x gains.

This is gambling.

Poor people: High risk, low time.

Wealthy people: Low risk, long time period.

VC tech bros: Same poor person mentality. They give up their company for investment. It's like being a slave in roman times and your master gives you gold to go to the market and lets you take a bite of the meat and a sip of wine. Oh thank you master. I'm so privileged.

Because they want FAST/INSTANT money. They're thinking. Yeah, I will get an instant payout when we go public in 3 years.

99% of them make nothing.

Instead, if they just built a small company, made $5 mil and compounded it they'd be set for life.

But everyone wants it NOW.

Trust me, when you're 60, you'll wish you'd compounded early. You will feel pretty much the same as you do now. You won't magically be a radically different person. You'll just have less energy and less time.

If you're in a poor country and don't think you can make huge amounts, then my advice still stands. Just lower the amount.

Make $5k/mo online, bank $4000.

Do that for 10 years.

By year 10, your portfolio is $774k at 9% compounding.

By year 20 it's $1.9m

by year 30 it's $4.6m

It's that easy.

20 year old in India or whereever. You can do shit and earn $5k/mo. This is NOT a huge amount of money.

Grind and hustle for 10 years. Bank $4k every month and live off the $1k.

By the time you hit year 10, you can take a 2% loan, tax free from year 10. At year 10 that gives you $15k/year

By year 15, your loan is $24k/year

At this point, you don't have to work to maintain your life, and you keep compounding.

You're 35, your loan is $24k/year and your principle is $1.4m

You can also keep working. At this point, you don't have to save shit. That's the magic. Keep earning $5k/mo. Now you've got $5k/mo and $2k/mo from your nest egg. $7k/mo to live off. Every month. Spend it all.

You're now 40, you're still working, maybe you're making $10k/mo. Your nest egg is giving you $37k/year. $3.4k/mo. You're ballin'. Your principle is $1.9m

You're better off than most Americans at this point.

By 50, you retired. Your principle is now $4.6m and total debt is $966k. You keep compounding on the $4.6m and the debt negatively compounds at a lower %.

Your LTV is only 20% and you're 50, so you can increase to 3% yearly safely.

You're now taking home $139k/year, tax free $11500 per month.

Life is fucking amazing. Maybe you start a little business and make another $10k/mo. You keep spending. $20k/mo on lifestyle. You can even fly private once a year for the experience.

By age 55 you're at $218k/year tax free from your principle.

By age 65 you're at $535k per year. HALF A FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS. Tax free.

As an Indian who just made the decision at 20 to hustle and make $5k/mo, and put by $4k for 10 years. Maybe worked 60-70 hours a week in his 20's to do that. It was hard and you don't want to go back, but those 10 years have set you up for a life that most americans can only dream of.

At age 75 your total net worth is now $43 million.

Yeah. 43 MILLION.

Compounding.

Your total debt is $14 million. Your LTV is 33%

Your yearly is now $1.3 million.

You have enough money to fly private, charter yachts and hang with your grandkids on the yacht.

You die at 93. Your net worth is $180 million. You die a decamillionaire.

Your total debt was $58 million with 34.6% LTV.

Your net is $120 million.

You setup a trust for your grandkids. You left a legacy.

And all you did.. Worked 70 hours a week for 10 years doing online services and living on $1k/mo while banking $4k/mo for 10 years.

That's the reality. But the world will tell you to "build the next facebook" or "invest in complex financial products".

No, you just buy a s&p 500 tracker. If it doesn't go up over a 15-20+ year period it means the world basically ended.

P.S. If you want a little more of a modern, slightly riskier version(and my exact investing strategy)

Mine is 50% S&P 500, 30% bitcoin etf and 20% microstrategy.

I really doubt bitcoin will go to 0, and that, will probably have an edge on pure s&p 500, especially over the next 20 years. Probably about 20% average compounded over 20 years vs the s&p's 8 to 12%




Read the above.

What's your next excuse?

Or, we can just lower.

Earn $1k/mo online for 20 years. Bank $500/mo

By year 40(When you're 60) you have $2mil net worth, and your 3% loan is $65k/year or $5k/mo

But if you can't even make $500/mo extra, then sure, this isn't for you.
Thank you for taking the time to write this out bro appreciate it more than you know, initially reading your thread I also thought “2 mill by 25 ” but this made things much clearer and sound doable, I am already at the 5-10k mark and going to try apply this, as of now I have not compounded a single $ and have everything has just been sitting. Going to look more into it and learns the hows, wish I knew this 8 years ago when I started, but I’m still only 25 so by 35 I will be set if all goes to plan.

Quick question, is there any risk factor putting my money into something like s&p 500? I am a complete noob when it comes to this stuff, going to look into myself right now but also would love to hear what your thoughts are on the risk side of things.

Also one more thing, we are about to finalise a sale of our house, it is being sold for 360k €, would compounding like 200k of be a huge risk? How would that go?

Remember I am a complete noob so forgive me if these are dumb questions and thank you in advance
 
SUPER different.

In the old days I'd share this kind of stuff and get some great engagement. People would chat back and forth about success and mindset.

Today, it's like I've just walked into an "eat the rich" protest. I feel so out of place.

I miss the old bhw. :-( The world has changed though. The world in 2026 is not the world in 2016.


Because you only engage with people who do not question what you write.

If they dont agree, you call them "poor"

Well Engage Like a Big Boy...
(No Name-Calling)

How did you go from 150million to 350million in the same time frame?
The math aint mathing.

If you borrow 800k for a house at 5% how is that loan "free" ????

Which bank would actually let you borrow millions of $$$ indefinitely at just 2%?

Its hard times, how can it be realistic for someone right out of highschool to save 400k?

Yes Captain Obvious, investing early is smart but you're using fantasy land numbers, ignoring inflation with high risk strategies and selling it as risk free magic tricks

Namecalling, navigating the site under different identities and offering ideas that are not realistic is why you won't attract polite engagement.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this out bro appreciate it more than you know, initially reading your thread I also thought “2 mill by 25 ” but this made things much clearer and sound doable, I am already at the 5-10k mark and going to try apply this, as of now I have not compounded a single $ and have everything has just been sitting. Going to look more into it and learns the hows, wish I knew this 8 years ago when I started, but I’m still only 25 so by 35 I will be set if all goes to plan.

Quick question, is there any risk factor putting my money into something like s&p 500? I am a complete noob when it comes to this stuff, going to look into myself right now but also would love to hear what your thoughts are on the risk side of things.

Also one more thing, we are about to finalise a sale of our house, it is being sold for 360k €, would compounding like 200k of be a huge risk? How would that go?

Remember I am a complete noob so forgive me if these are dumb questions and thank you in advance

This is the magic of it: being set by 35.

This is the bit no one gets.

Your 25-35 will be tight, and you won't start touching the money till 45-50, BUT, when you're 35, imagine your peace of mind. You can just earn and spend. Every month. No stress, no fear, no worry. Your ENTIRE life is set. Every decade extra you live you'll be exponentially richer. That's gold.

Nope, there's no risk putting it into the s&p 500. Not for a lifetime compound. You might get unlucky and spend 2 years putting money in, then the stock market crashes 30-40%. On paper it'll look miserable, but it's now 30-40% down and you're still buying, so you're getting in cheaper. Over 10 years, your worst case is maybe 3-5% if it's a bad decade(like 2000-2010). Over 20 years it's going to be 8-12%, maybe 7% on a really weird 20 years. Over 30 years you're almost certainly looking at 9-11%

The stockmarket isn't going to 0 :-) If it does.. Well. Something went really wrong with the world and we're probably all fucked anyway.



Compounding 200k wouldn't be a risk, no.

Real estate only compounds at 4-5% in the US, so you're far better off in the s&p 500.

It's better to put $200k into it and compound at the 9-11% over 30 years and just get a normal mortgage at 5-6% and pay that off than it is to put the $200 down on a house.

$200k in VOO over 30 years compounded at 9% is $2.6m.

That means in 30 years, that $200k you'd have put in a house, would turn into a yearly, tax free $78k per year if you take 3% sbloc loans.

All this is easy, but the one thing it needs is patience.

Most people will tell you to fuck off if you talk about 30 year timelines :-)
Heck, people can't wait 6 months to make money. THey want NOW NOW NOW.

What they don't realize is 60-90 can be 30 of the best years of your life if you have financial freedom, or it can be an absolute miserable hell if you're poor.

Because you only engage with people who do not question what you write.

If they dont agree, you call them "poor"

At no point did I call someone "poor" because they disagreed with me. You are literally just making shit up, and THAT is the reason I don't engage with you.
 
It's like giving yourself good vibes for the future. You can add to that every day by giving yourself gifts for the future. So much to unwrap. So many presents.
I'm about to faint from these visions of drinks and palm trees. :rolleyes:

I'm not a person who tries to get rich, but this is cool psychologically.

You can look at it like freezing money but it's demotivating.
 
Namecalling, navigating the site under different identities and offering ideas that are not realistic is why you won't attract polite engagement.

Also, that's a serious accusation and against the rules.

My advice is if you feel I am abusing the forum with multiple accounts report me IMMEDIATELY.

The staff will investigate and if it turns out I am, I will be banned.

It's like giving yourself good vibes for the future. You can add to that every day by giving yourself gifts for the future. So much to unwrap. So many presents.
I'm about to faint from these visions of drinks and palm trees. :rolleyes:

I'm not a person who tries to get rich, but this is cool psychologically.

You can look at it like freezing money but it's demotivating.


It's because compounding is exponential growth.

$1m if you invest on day 1 at 9%:

year 10: $2.3m - Not that much in 10 years.

year 20: $5.6m - Still not huge, but it's getting there

year 30: $13.2m - Now we're getting somewhere

year 40: $31m - Now we're getting somewhere

year 50: $74m - That's insane. $1m to $74 in 50 years. That's SERIOUS wealth from just a $1m stuck in the s&p 500, and that's 9%. It's more likely to be 10-11% which would be $1m to $184m in 50 years.
 
Hehehe.

People really have no idea :-)

Copy and paste everything I wrote into chatgpt and ask it. It'll explain.

Or don't. Just stay poor and be angry.

Your name-calling is fine...

Can you answer this though?

How did you go from 150million to 350million in the same time frame?
The math aint mathing.

If you borrow 800k for a house at 5% how is that loan "free" ????

Which bank would actually let you borrow millions of $$$ indefinitely at just 2%?
If the stock market drops what happens?

Its hard times, how can it be realistic for someone right out of highschool to save 400k?
 
Your name-calling is fine...

Can you answer this though?

How did you go from 150million to 350million in the same time frame?
The math aint mathing.

If you borrow 800k for a house at 5% how is that loan "free" ????

Which bank would actually let you borrow millions of $$$ indefinitely at just 2%?
If the stock market drops what happens?

Its hard times, how can it be realistic for someone right out of highschool to save 400k?
Until I see those tax returns he is talking cap
 
Your name-calling is fine...

Can you answer this though?

How did you go from 150million to 350million in the same time frame?
The math aint mathing.


Go from 150 million to 350 million where? Be specific. If you have a clean, logical, without name-calling question I will answer it.

Cut the "the math aint mathing" school-playground stuff. Act like an adult and I'll engage with you.

If you borrow 800k for a house at 5% how is that loan "free" ????

Which bank would actually let you borrow millions of $$$ indefinitely at just 2%?
If the stock market drops what happens?

Its hard times, how can it be realistic for someone right out of highschool to save 400k?


You're not understanding any of this, and getting angry from a position of "I know it all". You aren't asking me real questions like someone who wants to learn.

You aren't even able to read and understand what I'm saying. This is a real problem.

I say "Get an sbloc loan at 2% your portfolio" and you read that as "bank gives bro a 2% rate loan"

No.

If you have $10mil in liquid assets like VOO with jp morgan, you can take a 2% loan ($200k) at an interest rate of about 4% to 5%

Next year, you can do that again.

And the year after.

And the year after.

Your $10mil keeps compounding at 8-12% and your loan compounds at 4-5% - The gap between them increases over time.

As long as your LTV stays under 40% they never margin call you. Hence why you do 2%. You can do up to 3% once your principle is big enough.

When you die. The bank gets paid. Banks are VERY patient.

Now. I'm explaining this. This is real. You're going to likely respond getting angry, telling me I'm full of shit or hit me with some other straw-man misunderstanding.

What I'm teaching you here is REAL wealth mechanics, but you don't want to learn it. You want to be right.

That's why I wasn't engaging with you. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I'll be extremely surprised if you actually understand what I'm writing and have an 'aha' moment.


Until I see those tax returns he is talking cap


What are you even talking about?

What the fuck does the amount of tax I personally pay have anything to do with your ability to compound in the s&p 500 and take sbloc loans?
 
Go from 150 million to 350 million where? Be specific. If you have a clean, logical, without name-calling question I will answer it.

Cut the "the math aint mathing" school-playground stuff. Act like an adult and I'll engage with you.




You're not understanding any of this, and getting angry from a position of "I know it all". You aren't asking me real questions like someone who wants to learn.

You aren't even able to read and understand what I'm saying. This is a real problem.

I say "Get an sbloc loan at 2% your portfolio" and you read that as "bank gives bro a 2% rate loan"

No.

If you have $10mil in liquid assets like VOO with jp morgan, you can take a 2% loan ($200k) at an interest rate of about 4% to 5%

Next year, you can do that again.

And the year after.

And the year after.

Your $10mil keeps compounding at 8-12% and your loan compounds at 4-5% - The gap between them increases over time.

As long as your LTV stays under 40% they never margin call you. Hence why you do 2%. You can do up to 3% once your principle is big enough.

When you die. The bank gets paid. Banks are VERY patient.

Now. I'm explaining this. This is real. You're going to likely respond getting angry, telling me I'm full of shit or hit me with some other straw-man misunderstanding.

What I'm teaching you here is REAL wealth mechanics, but you don't want to learn it. You want to be right.

That's why I wasn't engaging with you. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I'll be extremely surprised if you actually understand what I'm writing and have an 'aha' moment.





What are you even talking about?

What the fuck does the amount of tax I personally pay have anything to do with your ability to compound in the s&p 500 and take sbloc loans?
Boy what language did I hit a nerve,your net worth is what in question,you made a lot of claims
 
Boy what language did I hit a nerve,your net worth is what in question,you made a lot of claims

I didn't know it was a new requirement of the forum to give income and net worth proof before sharing anything.

Can you refer me to that rule?

In fact, this thread is just so ponitless.

Request: Can a mod please delete this for me?
 
Go from 150 million to 350 million where? Be specific. If you have a clean, logical, without name-calling question I will answer it.

Cut the "the math aint mathing" school-playground stuff. Act like an adult and I'll engage with you.




You're not understanding any of this, and getting angry from a position of "I know it all". You aren't asking me real questions like someone who wants to learn.

You aren't even able to read and understand what I'm saying. This is a real problem.

I say "Get an sbloc loan at 2% your portfolio" and you read that as "bank gives bro a 2% rate loan"

No.

If you have $10mil in liquid assets like VOO with jp morgan, you can take a 2% loan ($200k) at an interest rate of about 4% to 5%

Next year, you can do that again.

And the year after.

And the year after.

Your $10mil keeps compounding at 8-12% and your loan compounds at 4-5% - The gap between them increases over time.

As long as your LTV stays under 40% they never margin call you. Hence why you do 2%. You can do up to 3% once your principle is big enough.

When you die. The bank gets paid. Banks are VERY patient.

Now. I'm explaining this. This is real. You're going to likely respond getting angry, telling me I'm full of shit or hit me with some other straw-man misunderstanding.

What I'm teaching you here is REAL wealth mechanics, but you don't want to learn it. You want to be right.

That's why I wasn't engaging with you. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I'll be extremely surprised if you actually understand what I'm writing and have an 'aha' moment.


I know most of it is a real stategy, real tools....but for ultra wealthy people to avoid taxes and live off their wealth...

But you're selling it here to average people as a risk-free, get rich quick magic trick.

I was asking you questions as an average working class, risk-averse person so my point of view is different

Even if one day I became very rich I would still think if i take out a brand new 200k loan every year my debt would add up very quickly... over a lifetime the math doesnt work out that smoothly
(In my opinion)

You said as long as my loan stay under 40% of my portfolio value the banks will "never" margin call me... Yes this can work... Its a real product... if you have millions...
But isnt that assuming the banks will not change their rules whenever they want. If there is a big crash and stock market drops by 40-50%... which has happened before, then my portfolio value could drop and my loan can go past the 40%... would they force me to sell my stock at a loss to pay them back?

You said i will always get a predictable 4-5% interest rate on an SBLOC but doesnt this go up and down based on the economy? What if the CB raises interest rate like they did recently then my interest rate could go up this plan could collapse.

Then you said banks are patient and I won't have to pay anything till i die..
Maybe im wrong but I thought that an SBLOC isnt a passive pay later agreement. Even if might not have to pay back the principal right away i must pay back the interest every month so i cant ignore the bill for 40 yrs, i need real monthly cash flow to keep the bank happy.

You don't need to remove the thread.
Its an interesting topic.
And Im curious to see how other average, working class people like myself would view something like this.
 
But you're selling it here to average people as a risk-free, get rich quick magic trick.
50 years is get rich quick. I saw your thread about PayPal yesterday. It made me question my whole life...
I was asking you questions as an average working class, risk-averse person so my point of view is different
Read the site logo and think what it means.
You joined "May 11, 2026". I have a reason to question.
I know most of it is a real stategy, real tools....but for ultra wealthy people to avoid taxes and live off their wealth...
Downscale this stuff. It's easy.
 
I know most of it is a real stategy, real tools....but for ultra wealthy people to avoid taxes and live off their wealth...

But you're selling it here to average people as a risk-free, get rich quick magic trick.

I was asking you questions as an average working class, risk-averse person so my point of view is different

Even if one day I became very rich I would still think if i take out a brand new 200k loan every year my debt would add up very quickly... over a lifetime the math doesnt work out that smoothly
(In my opinion)

You said as long as my loan stay under 40% of my portfolio value the banks will "never" margin call me... Yes this can work... Its a real product... if you have millions...
But isnt that assuming the banks will not change their rules whenever they want. If there is a big crash and stock market drops by 40-50%... which has happened before, then my portfolio value could drop and my loan can go past the 40%... would they force me to sell my stock at a loss to pay them back?

You said i will always get a predictable 4-5% interest rate on an SBLOC but doesnt this go up and down based on the economy? What if the CB raises interest rate like they did recently then my interest rate could go up this plan could collapse.

Then you said banks are patient and I won't have to pay anything till i die..
Maybe im wrong but I thought that an SBLOC isnt a passive pay later agreement. Even if might not have to pay back the principal right away i must pay back the interest every month so i cant ignore the bill for 40 yrs, i need real monthly cash flow to keep the bank happy.

You don't need to remove the thread.
Its an interesting topic.
And Im curious to see how other average, working class people like myself would view something like this.

Get rich quick? 30 years of compounding is the opposite of get rich quick.

It's an ultra low risk, slow and predictable path.

Some loans you pay the interest monthly, others you can accrue on the account and settle at death. Depends on the bank.

margin calls are pre-negotiated with the bank, but in the last 75 years the biggest ever drop on the s&p 500 was in 1987. It dropped 20.47%.

For your ltv to go from 30% to 45% would require a 33% drop.

You also don't have to take the loan option. That isn't necessarily practical unless you're holding high 7 figures. You may not get the best rates.

You can just sell 3% per year. Once you've compounded, there's nothing wrong with selling 3% per year and living off that. You still compound more than enough to sustain you until you die.

You just have to pay some tax, but the point of the strategy as a regular person is just to give you lifetime comfortable stress free cash, so it's not really a big deal.

If 3% is $4k/mo, then you take your $4k/mo, pay tax, and live off it.

Compounding is real. The hard part isn’t turning $2M into $150M — it’s making the first $2M. Still, simple investing + time beats chasing quick money.


That's not really hard. Making $20m is hard. Making $2m isn't.

There's just so so many opportunities online.

What's hard is building a business with staff that runs without you. Very few can do that.

Many can build lifestyle businesses that make you $300k to $1m/year. $300k per year, putting by $160k/year will get you $2m in 10 years.
 
50 years is get rich quick. I saw your thread about PayPal yesterday. It made me question my whole life...
A stranger's post on the internet gave you a whole life crisis?
Maybe you shouldn't read more from me, because you might join a cult by tomorrow.
Read the site logo and think what it means.
You joined "May 11, 2026". I have a reason to question.

Blimey!
You would equate learning about social media and SEO with having a high risk tolerance for massive financial investments? LMAO
This is a discussion forum for learning about different topics , not a Casino or trading platform.
50 tabs open, all frozen... hmmm
Downscale this stuff. It's easy.
 
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