Two Decades on BHW, Never Sold Anything — Retiring Soon: Ask Me ANYTHING (Nothing Off Limits)

Two decades is serious history. One question: what is the one method or niche you watched blow up and then collapse completely that surprised you the most? And looking back, is there anything you wish you had doubled down on instead of moving on from it?

A 20 year career in any industry is good. I struggle with self esteem but I'm aware that it's an achievement. I was conditioned from an early age that the ONLY route from high school was further education (for literally no other reason than "that's what people do"). I was the black sheep and extended family still think that to this day - 'not a real job' is a common slight. Getting judged by graduates who spent $50k to work in retail. Cool story.

Haha! You've just brought back an awful memory. I bought a Myspace "skins" website for $60,000USD literally within 6 months or the platforms demise. I just looked back on Wayback and this purchase was when I was like 18/19. I made around $3k in ad revenue and then boom, zilch, nada. I literally entered a market that was winding up. Oops! https://web.archive.org/web/20080221030439/http://www.radprofile.com/. I bought it because I was using a software called "Mychanger" which would spam huge numbers of real accounts and post on their Myspace bulletin walls (I think that's what they were called... not sure - but essentially they were the same as FB now - you'd post and your friends could see it). I'll leave it to your imagination as to how I got access to those accounts - I didn't realise what I was doing at the time and haven't done it since. #Blackhatwithmorals.

I also bought a porn site called Dirtytube (.org) from Flippa around the same time, I think for around $8000. Traffic looked AMAZING! But to give you an idea of how n00bish I was, I didn't even notice all the traffic was paid traffic (popunders etc). So ridiculous. Essentially scammed lol. Lmao - literally just searched it, I think it was the same year as Radprofile. So I fucked away $68k that year on two duds. https://web.archive.org/web/20080601000000*/dirtytube.org

As for looking back, a few things come to mind. I've come full circle for certain things- IPTV for example, I was in the game when it was cardsharing, FTA, cccam, mgcamd, newcamd etc. If you're from the USA/CA you'll remember FTA boxes (Viewsat, Dreambox, etc) would "go down" when the codes were changed , it was known as an ECM. I owned PureFTA which was 80,000 members. Dishnet/Bev then introduced Nagra 3 which essentially killed that method. I closed the site, and fucking didnt retain the 80k emails. Imagine what I could have done with them when I revisited cccam and ultimately IPTV. Still makes me feel a bit sick. Again though, I was young and winging it.

Aside from that, the only thing I wish I had doubled down on sooner was sticking to a single project when I was starting out (scatter gun approach is death sentence to success when you're fresh faced). Likewise though, and almost the opposite years later, once I was established and knew what I was doing (or thought I did), I kick myself for relying on ONE single website/service. I can recall at least 4 times when I woke up one morning and felt like my life was over because my one revenue stream had been stopped / failed. Just recalling that now made me feel the horrible pit in my stomach; similar to how I felt on a Sunday night knowing school was in the morning. It's only in the last 5 or 6 years where I have diversified to a level that if one thing dies, it sucks, but it's not a catastrophe.
 
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Did you learn here to take action outside forum?

Why dont become Jr VIP?

How did you achieve the independence finance to retire early?

The last: how much kids did you have?
 
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Did you learn here to take action outside forum?

Why dont become Jr VIP?

How did you achieve the independence finance to retire early?

The last: how much kids did you have?

I accept some tips for me as a young man in my 20s.

Did you learn here to take action outside forum?

Absolutely. If you want my opinion though; 95% of the membership here on BHW are victims of their own inaction, or scatter gun approach. When I signed up in 2011 I fell victim to information overload. Reading methods, discussions, journeys. It sparked my motivation but I didn't commit to "Method A" or "Method B". I aimlessly went from idea to idea. Making a living from IM isn't rocket science- far from it. It's become more difficult in recent years without capital to invest in ideas, but it's still achievable. It's just about application and persistence, mostly. BHW in 2026 is littered with threads like "How can I make $500 a month". These members aren't asking for business ideas. They just want $500 a month lol. And they want it NOW.

Why dont become Jr VIP?
My JNR VIP expired in October last year but I'll renew now as a token gesture for what BHW has done for me over the years.

The last: how much kids did you have?
I won't go further into this, but I had a boy. He's no longer with us sadly.
 
Did you learn here to take action outside forum?
Absolutely. If you want my opinion though; 95% of the membership here on BHW are victims of their own inaction, or scatter gun approach. When I signed up in 2011 I fell victim to information overload. Reading methods, discussions, journeys. It sparked my motivation but I didn't commit to "Method A" or "Method B". I aimlessly went from idea to idea. Making a living from IM isn't rocket science- far from it. It's become more difficult in recent years without capital to invest in ideas, but it's still achievable. It's just about application and persistence, mostly. BHW in 2026 is littered with threads like "How can I make $500 a month". These members aren't asking for business ideas. They just want $500 a month lol. And they want it NOW.

Why dont become Jr VIP?
My JNR VIP expired in October last year but I'll renew now as a token gesture for what BHW has done for me over the years.

The last: how much kids did you have?
I won't go further into this, but I had a boy. He's no longer with us sadly.
So nowadays, dedicating yourself entirely to this forum isn't worthwhile, right?

I'm asking your opinion because I always apply things I see here in my country, but I think there are some things I'm missing out on by not focusing on them here in the forum.

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Regarding your son, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Losing a child is the worst pain in the world.

I lost my son in 2025; he was conceived in June and passed away in July.

It's a painful topic, but I felt comfortable sharing it because I see I'm not alone.

Thank you, brother.
 
So nowadays, dedicating yourself entirely to this forum isn't worthwhile, right?

I'm asking your opinion because I always apply things I see here in my country, but I think there are some things I'm missing out on by not focusing on them here in the forum.

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Regarding your son, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Losing a child is the worst pain in the world.

I lost my son in 2025; he was conceived in June and passed away in July.

It's a painful topic, but I felt comfortable sharing it because I see I'm not alone.

Thank you, brother.

So nowadays, dedicating yourself entirely to this forum isn't worthwhile, right?
Best advice I can give, don't mindlessly scroll. I keep BHW homepage tab open daily and refresh it perhaps every 2-3 hours I'm online. If I see something that I have a genuine interest in or want to learn about, I navigate to said thread. If nothing catches my eye, I forget BHW for the next 3 hours,

Regarding your son, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Losing a child is the worst pain in the world.

I lost my son in 2025; he was conceived in June and passed away in July.


So sorry to hear this @RML , it's heart wrenching. Until people experience it (and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy); it's not possible to explain the pain. I was gifted with 4 days with my son. I'd swap with him in an instant.

Finally, I'm BLUE again. As promised. Will launch my marketplace GURU thread once this goodbye gains real traction. (I'M JOKING, TROLLS!)
 
I can code and I am choosing between (A) micro-SaaS, (B) productized service + automation and (C) lead-gen site + outbound.

Imagine the goal is $1k–$5k/monthly with lowest platform/payment risk, which would you pick in 2026 and why?

What are the 3 pass/fail criteria you use before committing (market, distribution, pricing, ops) and what’s a concrete example niche you’d target?

Thanks :)
 
Did you learn here to take action outside forum?
Absolutely. If you want my opinion though; 95% of the membership here on BHW are victims of their own inaction, or scatter gun approach. When I signed up in 2011 I fell victim to information overload. Reading methods, discussions, journeys. It sparked my motivation but I didn't commit to "Method A" or "Method B". I aimlessly went from idea to idea. Making a living from IM isn't rocket science- far from it. It's become more difficult in recent years without capital to invest in ideas, but it's still achievable. It's just about application and persistence, mostly. BHW in 2026 is littered with threads like "How can I make $500 a month". These members aren't asking for business ideas. They just want $500 a month lol. And they want it NOW.

Why dont become Jr VIP?
My JNR VIP expired in October last year but I'll renew now as a token gesture for what BHW has done for me over the years.

The last: how much kids did you have?
I won't go further into this, but I had a boy. He's no longer with us sadly.
Your response under “Did you learn here to take action outside forum?” is spot on for my situation. I am currently quite overwhelmed and honestly a bit uncertain about where to begin or which niche I should focus on when reading through the entire BWH.

To give you some context, in case it helps you guide me better: I’m a 28-year-old man from Norway/Bosnia that live in Norway. I hold a Master’s degree in Finance and another Master’s degree in Accounting and Auditing. These are areas where I feel truly competent and confident. In addition, I’m naturally strong in sales and comfortable building relationships in person. I also have a cousin who is an excellent programmer, so if anything technical is needed, we could potentially collaborate.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I wish you good health and all the best moving forward.
 
@XrumerGeek
1. How did you manage to be patient and maintain a strong perseverance despite of all the overnight changes? Is there specific tips you have in terms of mindset/productivity?

2. If you were me, With all the previous experience, Which is one top scalable business idea you'd do online? I am struggling to find ideas, Please shed some light on this.

From my heart to yours, Wishing you the best retirement! Take care of your body you live in!
 
I can code and I am choosing between (A) micro-SaaS, (B) productized service + automation and (C) lead-gen site + outbound.

Imagine the goal is $1k–$5k/monthly with lowest platform/payment risk, which would you pick in 2026 and why?

What are the 3 pass/fail criteria you use before committing (market, distribution, pricing, ops) and what’s a concrete example niche you’d target?

Thanks :)

So this is probably the first reply where I haven't had an immediate idea on how to reply.

You've listed three ideas, why those three? And more importantly, which of the three can you see yourself enjoying the most when you're working 16 hour days to get it off the ground for at least 3 months, often upto 12. IM is so much easier when you enjoy it. I can probably count my truly "bad days" in terms of hating work on 2 hands in 20 years. It's almost a hobby that has happened to pay me over the years.

Regarding goals, I'd discourage you from setting them as $ value. It's so much better to assign yourself "easy wins" and short term goals. First sale, first profitable month, increasing profitable by 30% from Y1 to Y2 etc etc. Ask yourself why the goal would be $1k-$5k, what's that's based on? Is it dilligent market research and understanding your niche, or is it just an arbitrary figure you've plucked out the sky?

Your response under “Did you learn here to take action outside forum?” is spot on for my situation. I am currently quite overwhelmed and honestly a bit uncertain about where to begin or which niche I should focus on when reading through the entire BWH.

To give you some context, in case it helps you guide me better: I’m a 28-year-old man from Norway/Bosnia that live in Norway. I hold a Master’s degree in Finance and another Master’s degree in Accounting and Auditing. These are areas where I feel truly competent and confident. In addition, I’m naturally strong in sales and comfortable building relationships in person. I also have a cousin who is an excellent programmer, so if anything technical is needed, we could potentially collaborate.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I wish you good health and all the best moving forward.

Solid skillset, that bodes well for you. It's not the most important thing though. What are you passionate about - what are the core reasons you wan to carve out a career online? For me, it's the buzz of creating something virtual (service/membership/subscription) and generating income from an idea. The idea doesn't need to be unique - you just need an angle.

One thing I know to be true; if you really deep dive into WHAT you ENJOY - and formulate a strategy for working online based on that... you will outperform others in the same niche - even if they have a higher skillset - because you'll put the hours in happily, as you're passionate. Sounds corny, but it's absolutely true.

Step 1: List your interests, passions, things that really peak your interest
Step 2: Look at the list from step 1 and see if you can derive a business from one, or multiple aspects.

You can't go far wrong with that strategy.
 
@XrumerGeek
1. How did you manage to be patient and maintain a strong perseverance despite of all the overnight changes? Is there specific tips you have in terms of mindset/productivity?

2. If you were me, With all the previous experience, Which is one top scalable business idea you'd do online? I am struggling to find ideas, Please shed some light on this.

From my heart to yours, Wishing you the best retirement! Take care of your body you live in!

1. How did you manage to be patient and maintain a strong perseverance despite of all the overnight changes? Is there specific tips you have in terms of mindset/productivity?

Are you referring to when I was starting out in 2006? If so, my experience was this. Without knowing it, I was messing around with free forums (Proboards), from maybe 12 or 13. After a few months, I researched why my free forum had adverts (Google Ads/Adsense) that I couldn't remove. As soon as I knew that's how Proboards generated income, it grabbed me. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't dreaming of riches! I just began researching basic monetization methods on websites.

I guess what I'm saying is, the 20+ years that followed was an accident. Or at least, it wasn't my goal. My motivation from that point didn't waver because I just "understood" the basic methodology and I loved it. Factor that alongside pressures from my family from my early teens about further education etc - which culminated in me having to move out at 16 - motivation was never an issue.

I will give one pro tip. Repetitively checking Google Analytics, ad revenue, commissions, sales etc when the project is in its infancy is not just a waste of time, its a MASSIVE motivation killer, as least for me. All of these factors are irrelevant, and a vicious cycle. Unless you're service/product/website goals viral, repetitively checking these kind of things is NOT work, It's procrastination, and it will kill your motivation. If you're at your desk, focus on actionable tasks that incrementally move you closer to profitability. If you're 30 days into a new project, checking your revenues on Tuesday and seeing $1.20 in earnings doesn't serve any purpose. Check these things monthly and focus on growth percentage. Forget the numbers in terms of currency - instead say on March 1st "my goal is to increase traffic/revenues/leads/etc by XX percentage points.

2. If you were me, With all the previous experience, Which is one top scalable business idea you'd do online? I am struggling to find ideas, Please shed some light on this.

What existing skills do you have relating to IM? And of them, which aspects do you particularly enjoy/have an interest in?
 
1. How did you manage to be patient and maintain a strong perseverance despite of all the overnight changes? Is there specific tips you have in terms of mindset/productivity?

Are you referring to when I was starting out in 2006? If so, my experience was this. Without knowing it, I was messing around with free forums (Proboards), from maybe 12 or 13. After a few months, I researched why my free forum had adverts (Google Ads/Adsense) that I couldn't remove. As soon as I knew that's how Proboards generated income, it grabbed me. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't dreaming of riches! I just began researching basic monetization methods on websites.

I guess what I'm saying is, the 20+ years that followed was an accident. Or at least, it wasn't my goal. My motivation from that point didn't waver because I just "understood" the basic methodology and I loved it. Factor that alongside pressures from my family from my early teens about further education etc - which culminated in me having to move out at 16 - motivation was never an issue.

I will give one pro tip. Repetitively checking Google Analytics, ad revenue, commissions, sales etc when the project is in its infancy is not just a waste of time, its a MASSIVE motivation killer, as least for me. All of these factors are irrelevant, and a vicious cycle. Unless you're service/product/website goals viral, repetitively checking these kind of things is NOT work, It's procrastination, and it will kill your motivation. If you're at your desk, focus on actionable tasks that incrementally move you closer to profitability. If you're 30 days into a new project, checking your revenues on Tuesday and seeing $1.20 in earnings doesn't serve any purpose. Check these things monthly and focus on growth percentage. Forget the numbers in terms of currency - instead say on March 1st "my goal is to increase traffic/revenues/leads/etc by XX percentage points.

2. If you were me, With all the previous experience, Which is one top scalable business idea you'd do online? I am struggling to find ideas, Please shed some light on this.

What existing skills do you have relating to IM? And of them, which aspects do you particularly enjoy/have an interest in?

Thanks Appreciate your time. Answering about skills in IM, I've done a bit of everything and learnt a lot of things - SEO, Merch by Amazon, FB Instant Articles, Ezoic Ad sites, Dropshipping.

Currently I am focusing on creating a SAAS platform for the fitness industry, currently working here I've identified a big gap and solving it using a tech. I don't know if this is going to work but, I will give it a try and use all my previous IM experience (I really enjoy SEO) to make it successful.
 
Travel, spend time with family, the usual cliche stuff. I've spent maybe 90% of my time (outside sleep) behind a desk.
I hope you enjoy every single bit of the time you’re going to spend doing all these things moving forward

It’s a really nice, lovely thread you started here and I truly enjoyed the whole read : D

Now I have to ask...

What and who (if there’s anyone who’s probably no longer active here) do you miss from the old days of BHW? : )
 
I'm new at this. I'm approaching mmo but don't know where to start, can you give me some advice? I have skills in social network advertising, on-page SEO and other AI skills.
 
Okay, so first up. I owe you an apology. My time on BHW only extends back to 2011, but that clickbait got you here (it's a Blackhat forum after all).

The two decades actually refers to my first ever commercial online venture - aged 14 (more on that shortly).

Due to declining health I'll soon be winding down my online operations in full. Don't worry - I'm not dying... yet. You won't be seeing a memorial thread in the Blackhat Lounge for @XrumerGeek anytime soon (or at least not to my knowledge).

Courtesy of Wayback Archive, I can share my first masterpiece with you (heavy dose of sarcasm intended). But first, a couple of disclaimers.

  1. I've never once posted a Marketplace thread on BHW, or sold anything - and never will. Search me bro.
  2. I'm entirely self taught. Left school at 15, and this all just...happened. It's worked for me, but I have no idea if anything I've done would be considered best practice.
  3. My motivation to create this thread is partly self indulgent, I'd like to look back on this and use it as a reminder of what I've done, or did.


So, now that's covered, without further a-do, I give wepay-youpost.com. The website I sold in 2006/7 whilst still in high school. And yes, I quit the paper round.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060614175246/http://www.wepay-youpost.com/

The idea was simple, forums were booming in 2006, we provided forum posting services to artificially create activity on new/struggling forums to inject a bit of life into them, Now - before you type that reply asking why I named it wepay-youpost as opposed to youpay-wepost; I explained this on-site, in the very first paragraph.

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I know what you're thinking, that's SO CLEVER, what an angle! And it definitely was an angle, it wasn't an inadvertent mistake by 14 year old me who couldn't afford to register another domain after learning the mistake, I promise.

A few other key takeaways from this first venture are also documented on the homepage. Example one being me actively encouraging visitors to review our prices and then fuck off to Google and try and find a better deal before committing. What can I say, I was a maverick back then.

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Example two is me reassuring visitors and potential customers that all our writers are above the age of 16. Like I was selling fucking scratch cards,

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Final point on the homepage, I included the the 100% satisfaction guarantee Rosette. Remember when these were cool? (I have no idea what unique wear means BTW - I imagine I hotlinked it from a clothing site or something).

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So, now I've proved to you I'm a absolute GURU, I'll explain the purpose of this thread. Afterall I'm here to answer, not posture.

Blackhatworld has taught me alot, that's a huge understatement. I used to metaphorically inhale (and still do as a hobby) any threads that provided true value, or more commonly, got the cogs in my mind turning. Repurposing ideas, methods, and sometimes just to increase my motivation from reading other people's successes; or even better; members discussing genuine barriers to their success and documenting how they overcome them.

So, TL:DR - I was 20yrs old when I joined BHW in 2011, but I'd been working exclusively online since 2006. I've worked in many areas, but they were always driven by 3 factors. Those were, and still are; Service industries, Marketing, and Sales. The niches I have worked in were always secondary - or rather; not important. I just liked the process of generating income without the need for a physical product. This has taken me through many sectors, but the significant ones would be, FTA, IPTV, Forums/Fansites, Football (or Soccer as most of you know it to be), Sports Betting, Xrumer/Scrapebox services, SMM panels.

In terms of skillset, these come to mind, all of which I find fascinating;

Parasite SEO (My true love)
Search Intent - Getting into the customers mind
Closing (Sales) - Turning a maybe into a YES in the same conversation (Online and in person)
Upselling - Turning a $100 sale into a $150 sale via human interaction
Client Acquisition through optimised landers (And no, your beautifully designed wordpress site doesn't convert better than my static HTML)
Reselling / Franchising - Networking to an extent where I can identify people suitable and bring them on board.
Creating/Buying Sites for future selling on marketplaces like Flippa.com,
Not relying on consumer "Demand" and instead creating it through urgency/need to act
Antidetect / Multiaccounting
SMM Panels
Stealth PayPal (NOT VIOLATING OR ENGAGING IN KYC)


Purpose of this thread?

Literally, ask me anything. If I know the answer, or consider myself capable of forming some form of reply, I'll do it. No holds barred. Just don't ask me about Linux, loading balancing, javascript, or HTML... (unless you want to know how to make text appear bold - that's about my limit) I've always outsourced that kind of stuff, my brain just doesn't comprehend it ... thank god for AI in recent years.

Aside from the above topics which I know sweet FA about, nothing is off limits. Ask me about my regrets, mistakes, lessons learned, how I network, adapt, my biggest losses, biggest wins, what I wish I knew when I was a kid starting out. Literally, ask me anything. Or don't. It doesn't really matter either way.
Hey do you coach people on these? Because you could make quite a bit of money teaching all the aformentioned topics in a great "package".
 
I'll sell you a time machine for your entire life savings. You can go back to your year of choice between 2011-15. You can only use it once and only change one thing so that you don't mess up the entire timeline.

Let us know what would be that one thing you change - it could be anything like investment, savings, partnership, learning, change of career, or something else.
 
Read through some of your responses, and a bunch of stuff resonated with me and my own situation.

I'm an affiliate and have been at it for 8 years. Used to check and re check affiliate dashboards for hours everyday (Still do actually).

Also had all my income gone to 0, at least twice. Not sure why I haven't offed myself yet...I must secretly love to be a failure (my family does, so maybe it's in my blood).

And I've been in the shitter for some time now.

I actually kind of despise IM. To me it's not "fun". My motivation is to solve the problem. I learned, when i was a kid, that only if I didn't give up could I fix the issue. Whatever it was. Passing my exams, losing weight, leaning a language or learning guitar...anything really.

And so now I'm here, not giving up even though I feel I should have.

I get the "not shotgunning", the "focusing on work not refreshing analytics" and the "not all eggs in one basket"...but even with this, and my experience, I don't think I've personally been as lost as I am right now.

So I guess my question is, knowing what you know today, what would be a good idea to do? Or how do you pick yourself up after a fall? Did you ever have to swallow your pride and step back for a bit? (I might have to do that cause I'm tired as hell).

Would you still "find something you love and building a business around that"?

For context (in case it's important) cuttently I'm running ads, but am second guessing myself, diversifying in case they block me or decide not to pay me or whatever...so very slowly.

Thanks a bunch :)
 
I'm new at this. I'm approaching mmo but don't know where to start, can you give me some advice? I have skills in social network advertising, on-page SEO and other AI skills.

There is no single answer to this - in fact - there are thousands. Here's why;

On a handful of occasions over the last 20 years, I've started projects which I even on day 1, I wasn't truly excited about. They all failed and were abandoned before they even go going - typically in just a couple months. The idea alone isn't good idea - you need to be excited about it. Otherwise, you will be outworked by competitors who have a genuine interest in the niche. Think of like people working 9-5's in jobs they hate. They DREAD Monday's - or least... that's what they'll tell you. The reality is, they don't dread Mondays; they just hate their job.

My most profitable projects and longest running services started because I read something which sparked my imagination - and 4 hours later the domain was propagated and a basic shell of a website was live. Motivation and excitement went into overdrive and I acted on it. I didn't sit on the idea for months, drawing up brainstorms, ideas etc. I started implementing straight away.

It's also important to consider whether you're attracted to the IM game because you truly find it interesting; or whether you just want money and have met people, or read about people, who make a living online themselves. If it's the latter, you've lost before you've even started. There are limited exceptions to this rule where people strike riches from project 1; but 99% of the time, it's a long hard slog to reach profitability. Starting out, you likely have limited budget, and no network. It's tough. But as the years tick by, all your research, trials, tribulations, successes and failures compound. Money to kickstart projects and a network make things easier, but there's no shortcut to those things.

Passion and a genuine interest in IM is essential (IMO) to outwork, and get ahead in any niche.

So no work at all anymore?

Nothing proactive at least for the foreseeable future; I'm in the process of selling off a most of my portfolio but I'll be retaining a few evergreen businesses which are less time consuming.

Hey do you coach people on these? Because you could make quite a bit of money teaching all the aformentioned topics in a great "package".

Honestly, I'm an absolute nightmare in terms of coaching/teaching. I'm sure this stems from starting at such a young age, and muddling my way through. If you asked me to write down my processes for "Project 1" as a whole; it would read as a total mess. I'm a product of compounded trial & error over 2 decades. I've never been one for researching - especially in recent years. This is where the network you build up over time becomes invaluable. I suppose thought process for overcoming problems/implementations/ideas that I don't understand would be: "I want to do X Y Z, I know how to do X, but I don't understand Y & Z" --> Who do I know that may understand those aspects --> OK, I'll message them and if they don't know themselves I can be sure they know someone who does.

I'll sell you a time machine for your entire life savings. You can go back to your year of choice between 2011-15. You can only use it once and only change one thing so that you don't mess up the entire timeline.

Let us know what would be that one thing you change - it could be anything like investment, savings, partnership, learning, change of career, or something else.

I'll give two answers here, one based on lifestyle choices which damaged by career, and another based on business mistakes.

Lifestyle wise, 2011-2015, I was living with undiagnosed Bipolar Affective Disorder and Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder (formerly Borderline). I knew something was badly wrong, but I opted for drink & drugs until 2018 or so until I reached out and got my diagnosis and medication that I needed. This damaged my online career massively; and I still suffer relapses to this today. I often wonder how much further ahead I would be in the present day if I never resorted to those negative coping strategies.

Business wise, I still kick myself about how naïve I was. If a specific project had ran its course and I couldn't sell it, I'd close it down and not retain backups. This includes forums with significant data, the worst example being 80,000 confirmed email addresses. I closed shop and didn't save those contacts. It's so ridiculous. But I didn't understand the value of data back then, clearly, at all. One of my biggest current projects has a direct correlation with that 80k userbase. Just imagine what I could achieve with that email list today. Makes me feel sick lol.
 
Read through some of your responses, and a bunch of stuff resonated with me and my own situation.

I'm an affiliate and have been at it for 8 years. Used to check and re check affiliate dashboards for hours everyday (Still do actually).

Also had all my income gone to 0, at least twice. Not sure why I haven't offed myself yet...I must secretly love to be a failure (my family does, so maybe it's in my blood).

And I've been in the shitter for some time now.

I actually kind of despise IM. To me it's not "fun". My motivation is to solve the problem. I learned, when i was a kid, that only if I didn't give up could I fix the issue. Whatever it was. Passing my exams, losing weight, leaning a language or learning guitar...anything really.

And so now I'm here, not giving up even though I feel I should have.

I get the "not shotgunning", the "focusing on work not refreshing analytics" and the "not all eggs in one basket"...but even with this, and my experience, I don't think I've personally been as lost as I am right now.

So I guess my question is, knowing what you know today, what would be a good idea to do? Or how do you pick yourself up after a fall? Did you ever have to swallow your pride and step back for a bit? (I might have to do that cause I'm tired as hell).

Would you still "find something you love and building a business around that"?

For context (in case it's important) cuttently I'm running ads, but am second guessing myself, diversifying in case they block me or decide not to pay me or whatever...so very slowly.

Thanks a bunch :)
Woops, missed this reply, think you posted it just as I was replying to previous messages.

OK, so let's break this down.

Used to check and re check affiliate dashboards for hours everyday (Still do actually).

Yeah, break this habit of daily checking any kind of analytics. Not only is it a time wasted (and it really is - there is no valid reason to do this), but it's also pointless in the fact that 24 hours of performance as a datapoint is fucking meaningless. Imagine you login Monday evening, then on Tuesday evening you see conversions/traffic is 40% increased/decreased than the previous day. That variation tells you nothing, and you cannot make any decisions nor implement strategies based upon it. The data set is too small, WAY too small. Not only that, but this exact scenario is often the reason people abandon things before they even really get started. Imagine you start pushing a CPA offer, and after 3 days you have zero conversions. Let me make this very clear, zero conversions in 72hrs for a brand new offer does not indicate the idea/offer/lander is bad. It indicates nothing, nada. 30 days should be the minimum you allow before trying to extract whether something is working or not.
Similarly, don't tweak your landers/copy/pricing without 30 days+ of traffic/earnings data. That's self sabotage. At the end of month, you'll have no reliable data or understanding about whether something you changed was effective. The likely scenario is you'll give short-term bias to one of the changes because it performed marginally better for the 4 days, 7 days, 10 days you kept it before adjusting again. If you want to tinker with things, do A/B/C split tests, but again like a broken record, you need to run these tests for a minimum of 30 days otherwise it's a complete waste of time,.


I actually kind of despise IM. To me it's not "fun".

Straight up, the fact you've used the "despise" as the verb, I'd encourage you to be brutally honest with yourself and think about why you're even considering a career in IM. As I've referenced in previous replies ITT, to me that sounds similar to people who say "I hate Monday's", "I wish I didn't have to work" etc. These phrases aren't literal, they translate to "I hate my job". Nobody "hates" Mondays - imagine how mental that would be. They hate the feeling of Monday's because they know they (assuming they are in a 9-5 job) are 5 days away from not having to go to work. Equally, when people say "I've got that Friday feeling" or "Friday is the best day of the week", it's because they're in a career they find boring/dull/unchallenging and Friday evening signals 2 days off.

Life is short, we all know that. What people often forget though, how you make a living is not forced upon you (I'm generalising here, I know there are exceptions in some countries around the world). Working a job you hate should only really happen when you need a job after a period of unemployment / ill health / etc - when you just need an income and need it fast. Of course in that time, you take anything, any job. But in my experience it feels like people forget that they can take that stop-gap job to make ends meet, but they can continue applying for other roles from day 1 of taking that job. That's when people can be selective. Apply, apply, apply, get that interview, and then decide whether they really want it. They can afford that luxury because of the wage they are collecting from the "any job" attitude when they really need it. People don't do this though, they stay in jobs they hate for years and years. Baffling.

If you really do despise IM and feel that conscious dread and "pit of your stomach" feeling every time you sit at your desk - don't pursue it. It's not for you. There will 100% be jobs out there that you'd thrive off and enjoy. Also, if you hate your work, you have precisely 0% chance of beating people in your niche/role/industry who love it. Period. They'll work harder, better, faster.


So I guess my question is, knowing what you know today, what would be a good idea to do? Or how do you pick yourself up after a fall? Did you ever have to swallow your pride and step back for a bit? (I might have to do that cause I'm tired as hell).

It's a cliche, but a great one. When I've 'fallen' in the past, I've always made fallen FORWARDS. "Make sure you have something to fall back on" - The most idiotic common parlor I have ever heard. Fall, we all do, but fall forward. Learn from it, see at is as positive - "So this is not what to", "This doesn't work - why?" etc. Every failure teaches you something (usually multiple things); it's upto you to ponder what they are. It's not difficult to get into mindset. "That didn't work" - is business suicide. "WHY didn't that work? WHAT could I adjust" is a helpful question.

As for a good idea. Again, you need to look deeply and honestly within yourself for this. Me personally, I absolutely fucking love sales, marketing, conversions. That's my bag. But I can't tell you to do that, because I don't know what makes you tick. To really drum down on this point; even if I was the first person in the world to see a gap in the market relating to Linux,coding,servers etc, I would not even attempt to fill that gap. I'm shit at it. Always and always will be; because I both lack the understanding of those things; and more importantly, I find them boring. Others absolutely love them, we're all different.


For context (in case it's important) cuttently I'm running ads, but am second guessing myself, diversifying in case they block me or decide not to pay me or whatever...so very slowly.

Give yourself a chance and run tests for 30+ days without adjustment, as I said above. If you're second guessing yourself every few days, and making decisions (well - making changes - a decision suggests consideration), you're not learning anything nor optimising anything.
 
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