[JOURNEY] My Road Back to Dominating the IPTV Streets AGAIN After 8 Year Hiatus
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Thanks man, appreciated!
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bkxpartner
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any revenue update on this? no updates in revenue in months or YTD earnings
thanks bro for giving us small people hope
thanks bro for giving us small people hope
UncleAdolf
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@XrumerGeek Why are you selling for so low? It seems you are only profiting around $3 per customer, no? What are your actual prices per month spans per customer? What's the maximum you have seen resellers sell for? Also, is there any way to sell these things to "normal" people in person instead of online?
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Your plan to revive the business should focus on fully legal services only—use the list ethically and invest in compliant marketing and SEO. Avoid any IPTV/CCcam models that involve unlicensed content, as they carry serious legal and financial risks.
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I think you're on the wrong forum, babe.
Sidenote; there's no legal risk for me. I'm a ghost, baby!
I think you're mistaking our reseller costs and considering them profit. We charge $99USD for a single 12m connection - and our costs are $14USD (approx) for said sale. For 2 connections, its $133USD, 3 connections $153USD, 4 connections, $173USD. This gives us a gross margin of 85% (prior to marketing costs).
Also, is there any way to sell these things to "normal" people in person instead of online?
Yes, and in fact, 80% of our 75+ resellers exclusively sell locally, word of mouth, referral etc. No online presence.
Only step into the online space if you know how to be a ghost. By that, I mean; nothing is registered to me. Servers, nope. Panel, nope. Payment gateaways, nope. Domains, nope. And so on. I'm sure you get the picture!
Appreciated, ty.
Thanks! I created this thread for self motivation but I am proud of the resource it has become. Plenty of golden nuggests hidden in these pages!
Been too busy to update financials. I'll post a final financial snapshot in early January and that will be the last.
One important update for those reading, we've abandoned ranking our network of sites organically. They fall victim to DMCA removals too quickly these days. We are now purely promoted via parasite SEO (70% of all traffic) and paid ads. We also aquired a US/CA FTA email database of 40,000 users. We will start workig this after the Christmas rush.
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UncleAdolf
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Thanks. Dumb question but wouldn't your $99 sale price of a $14 cost make your gross margin 707%? Since $99 divided by $14 is 7.07? Maybe I am misunderstanding.
I know all about being a ghost online, funny enough. But I was under the impression that there are no servers, domains, or hosting services that don't demand ID from you and what not. Is there such a thing? Can you suggest hosts/domain companies that don't require ID and that don't do DMCA?
Also, the real hard question is: What PAYMENT GATEWAYS can accept credit cards from customers and pay YOU without you having to give your ID, information, KYC, etc.? There are non, right? That means that if online selling, we are limited to crypto wallets of our own to accept crypto payments only from customers, no? Hypothetically, of course.
Thanks
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You are likely thinking of markup, which is 607%. Markup and gross margin are two different things. See AI explanation below (I'm good with numbers, but I struggle to show my workings - so AI is going to explain it much clearer than me haha)
No — 707% is not your gross margin. That figure is your markup.
Let’s break it down clearly
Numbers
- Sale price: $99
- Cost: $14
- Profit: $99 − $14 = $85
Gross Margin (the correct term most businesses use)
Formula:
Gross Margin=ProfitSale Price×100\text{Gross Margin} = \frac{\text{Profit}}{\text{Sale Price}} \times 100Gross Margin=Sale PriceProfit×1008599×100≈85.86%\frac{85}{99} \times 100 \approx \mathbf{85.86\%}9985×100≈85.86%
Your gross margin is ~85.9%
Markup (this is where 707% comes from)
Formula:
Markup=ProfitCost×100\text{Markup} = \frac{\text{Profit}}{\text{Cost}} \times 100Markup=CostProfit×1008514×100≈607%\frac{85}{14} \times 100 \approx \mathbf{607\%}1485×100≈607%
Even the markup is ~607%, not 707%.
Summary
- Gross margin: ~85.9%
- Markup: ~607%
No, this isn't true. Offshore companies and registrars refuse to comply with DMCA , but more importantly, refuse to comply with international laws other than the speciifc country where they operate. Hint: Think Malaysia, etc. This means, without fail, they will ignore any/all takedown requests even from the likes of the UK, USA, etc. Furthermore, they don't know who I am. No ID, crypto payments.
Offshore typically means they ignore DMCA. For IPTV, you want bulletproof anonymous. What does this achieve? It means not only that the nothing is registered in my name, but nothing is registered in ANYONES name. It's a phantom, doesn't exist. There's nothing to link because it's not linked to anyone, dead or alive. (Disclamer; your weak spot here would be your crypto wallets). We are probably flirting with the boundary of forum rules on that topic so all I will say is, don't make or receive crypto payments direct A to B. Add in C, D, and E.
Your biggest weak spot actually doesn't relate to payments at all. It relates to your own footprint, devices, privacy. Whilst I love this community, I'm not going to hand that blueprint out; but I will share one nugget; use anoynmous, offshore crypto Windows VPS's. By all means connect to said VPS via remote desktop on your physical machine (behind a vpn), but other than that, your physical devices, phones, laptops, tablets. Should all be clean. I'm writing this reply to you now on a laptop I've had for 2 years, and other than RDC, it's as clean as the day I bought it. There's fuck all on it.
I don't break KYC. Research "PayPal stealth". Throwaway PayPal accounts (to be clear: NOT stolen, NOT fake ID's). Most countries, certainly in the US and Europe are allowed to receive low $xxxx before any ID is required on PayPal, no KYC whatsoever. We then cashout via crypto (circa 11% fee). Go back through this thread (ive discussed this in previous replies) and also search Stealth on here. Lots of info.
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Around 20%
UncleAdolf
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Now that's some top info. Thanks, m8. I have studied Cybersecurity and what not for years, so I knew a lot of this, but I did not know about offshore/bulletproof stuff, really. I had heard the terms, but didn't know such details. But for PayPal anything, anywhere, you will need proxies that work (rare) and phone numbers that can't lead back to you. Also, why Windows VPSs? Why not Linux?
What are some good VPS companies that are big enough to be credible but anonymous and offshore, no ID, untouchable, etc.? I was always under the impression that such services are probably stealing whatever you're putting on their VPSes, no? Couldn't they just decide to take over your site for themselves?
Where does RDC come into play on a laptop? I assume you mean Tails with RDC, but just curious.
How on earth can you cash out of PayPal to crypto? Even assuming you didn't get your PayPal locked/seized on sign up or shortly after, it's definitely going to demand KYC/lock up when trying to buy any crypto, no?
Overall, what would be a way for normal citizens to use their credit cards to pay such an offshore company money in exchange for such services, that is NOT PayPal, with no KYC? And which can then be held by the offshore guy and turned into crypto of his own. In addition to not dealing with KYC, registering, etc., normal people are going to want to transact as fast as possible to a gateway with their cards. The payment must then be held by the offshore guy, converted to crypto, etc. without any KYC from the BUYER too, I would think.
More than anything, how would such a service cash out of its crypto into normal currency or the equivalents without ever being detected, marked, etc.? Once that service cashes its crypto into a currency or the likes, it seems it's over, no?
Feel free to PM me if you want instead of answering here. I have always been fascinated by this stuff. Sorry for all the text.
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Firstly, nothing in this thread, or how we operate, breaches KYC. We have never completed KYC for PayPal, we just discard the accs when this happens.
Use BHW search function to learn about truly bulletproof and anonymous offshore hosting, it's been discussed endlessly over the years. When you think you've found a provider that's suited to you, ask them about their policy on complying with DMCA requests, legal requests (and which countries they act on - and which they ignore), and confirm with them your plans to be sure they are happy to serve your needs. To give you an idea; one of our main providers will ignore ALL legal requests, including from the likes of the USA, Canada, UK, Europe. The only legal requests they will comply with are from Malaysian authorities. And even if that happened, they don't have any info on us anyway. No name, no addresses, no payment details, no DOB. etc etc. No breach of KYC.
PayPal do not require KYC upon registration , nor do they verify any details until you hit certain receiving limits - or until they limit an account asking for more info about your transactions. If PayPal demand identity documents immediately upon registration there is something wrong with your account creation process which is flagging their algo. Receiving limits vary from country to country - and in my experience F&F payments do not contribute towards said limit.
You would never use traditional proxies for PayPal stealth. You'd need a dedicated residential or excellent Socks5 if you go down that route. Better option is to use anonymous data Esims paid by crypto, or a partitioned VPS (OR a fresh windows user account) for each account. You can use Adspower or Dolphin to spoof the rest; just ensure your footprint appears consistent on free tools like pixelscan.net.
We don't buy Crypto directly from the PayPal accounts; we xfer funds to crypto traders who then send us crypto. We accept payments via PayPal to accounts not in our name (not breaching KYC, at all - as covered above), we then send our balance every X days to the crypto traders PayPal which is anonymous. They then send to our wallet(s) us after deducting their fee. So it goes from Ghost 1, to ghost 2, to wallet 1, and then B, C, D. Good luck following that.
I covered this in my previous reply, quoted below. One
Regarding payment methods, we accept PayPal balance, credit/debit card (guest checkout), or cryptocurrency.
With regards to concerns over being marked/flagged/limited, this is a certainty; you will lose accounts. But it's irrelevant when you create them in bulk .YES, when limited you will lose any balance held in the account; but it doesn't matter; it's factored into the pricing model. For every account we lose, another is created the same day. We have a large stock. It's not a "loss", it's just a business cost; no different to retail who factor in shoplifting losses in their pricing; or a clothing company who factor in offering free delivery into their pricing structure.
As a result, when I wake up on a Monday morning and see I've lost an account or two; it's no more than mild frustration. As quickly as they limit an account I own, I've created two more.
UncleAdolf
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Jeeze, thank you for all the knowledge. It will take me a while to read through this because of my schedule. But thanks. Members like you, who are generous with their time and knowledge truly are rare and deserving of some kind of prize. Much respect!
Something that comes to mind real quick is: What kind of proxies should be used when making PayPal accounts if you don't have the eSIM option? And what phone number service if not eSIM? Is it true that only mobile IPs work, not residential proxies? Is there a good mobile proxy service you suggest? Does a fraud/spam score on the IP address TRULY matter?
In my experience every "dedicated residential" proxy is marked, especially since IPV4 is exhausted as of 10 years ago. You can't get proxies anywhere, even mobile ones, that don't have massive spam/fraud scores. And if you do, it's going to be $50-100+ a month. What's SOCKS5 have to do with it, v. HTTP/S proxies? Isn't SOCKS5 just a method of how the proxy works, not having anything to do with fraud/spam score?
Where are the crypto traders who are willing to do business with you? Do they know and assume the risk of the operations?
Do you prefer TailsOS on your personal machine which is clean, and which does not connect to your bulletproof servers? Is there a better OS?
Is there a reliable seller of bulk PayPal accounts or do you HAVE to create them manually? (I assume the latter.) Anyway, sounds like a big pain in the ass. Why not just say "all payments must be made in crypto only" and then convert that all into Monero for yourself? Probably because most people pay by credit card, I assume.
Anyway, fascinating.
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Phone number for PayPal's will vary from country to country, so can't give specific advice on this.
Dedicated residential proxies cost us circa $60/month per acc. Focus less on the provider and more on your own checks to assess how clean (or abused) each IP you're provided is; plenty of tools available to do this and you should cross reference.
I can't provide any further details on sourcing PayPal to crypto traders, sorry.
Our local machines are Windows based, and mobiles are android. But they are clean, they're just fresh intalls of the OS - and PayPal cannot see the device type / OS etc anyway, it's spoofed (with 100% consistenty - this is crucial). You should select an OS that is compatble with the programs, softwares and your operations.
Crypto only would tank your conversion rate. We offer 15% discount for people who pay by Crypto and it's still only used by less than 5% of our customerbase. As for PayPal accounts, we create our own, but do also have some agreements in place with whitehat businesses who will process our payments through their existing PayPal accounts / payment gateaway.
PayPal stealth has a very steep learning curve, but once you're past that; it's a peice of cake. Our account creation process including verifying with VCC is down to about 15 minutes now.
@XrumerGeek Hi, I’ve been working with IPTV setups for a while and noticed some of your technical insights here — really solid stuff.
I had a couple of questions I’d prefer to ask privately if you’re open to it, mainly around how you handle trials on the technical side.
Feel free to DM me whenever you have time. Thanks
@XrumerGeek Also, I'm looking for a new IPTV reseller panel, drop me a PM Please
I had a couple of questions I’d prefer to ask privately if you’re open to it, mainly around how you handle trials on the technical side.
Feel free to DM me whenever you have time. Thanks
@XrumerGeek Also, I'm looking for a new IPTV reseller panel, drop me a PM Please
Hi, please did you get a provider yet? I need one also
Hi, did you find a reliable provider?
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Hey! Just wanted to quickly check in and see if there’s any update on the IPTV progress. Whenever you have a moment, feel free to DM me — I’d be happy to talk about potential collaboration. I have solid experience in this space and I’m excited to get back into it. Appreciate it.
Hey! Just wanted to quickly check in and see if there’s any update on the IPTV progress. Whenever you have a moment, feel free to DM me — I’d be happy to talk about potential collaboration. I have solid experience in this space and I’m excited to get back into it. Appreciate it.