then you're bound to be way off from the topic of that video (and you already are
)that's not the goal of technology. The goal of technology (according to me, of course) is to make life easier and more beautiful. That's one thing...
calculators are OK, I use them too and I don't think mankind could thrive without them as they perform mathematical operations that most people can't do. I've no problem with calculators.
you're half-right. But that's not what the video was about and, like I said, calculators are still fine, but only as long as they're used to perform calculations that are beyond the capabilities of most people. When they're used to perform simple operations that used to be done easily by elementary school pupils now the calculators become a problem too.
yes, that's the benefit of technology, as I already stated in the 2nd sentence of this reply. I'm not debating the fact that tech is useful (although, the title of this thread could imply otherwise), I'm genuinely referring to the fact that technology - as imposed on us by the big tech, either by design or by accident - is used to dumb us down.
that's what you believe it's happening to you, but is this really what's happening to you? Are you sure that you've become smarter?? Although, I have a feeling that you wanted to say that you're becoming better at your native and / or skills / profession, but what use is that when your brain's key functions are reduced and you become a zombified consumer?
I've no arguments against this yet. I know that you're wrong (I feel it in my gut instinct), but I have no arguments so I won't debate it yet. So, you win this round
true! Most of the systems that act upon us are designed to keep us slave, compliant, not question anything, and not think too much. The powers that be need 100% compliant humans that are indoctrinated according to their agenda, and technology has helped us break free from some of these shackles. In this regard you are right.
such as?
I praise it too! Heck, right now I'm typing this from a PC and I am a video game addict, so I'm not against technology.
you've managed to say 3 dumb things in one short sentence. That's impressive actually
take your time!Bro let me watch the video first.
Though I don't want to watch it... I need to respect your long reply.
alwaysAs for your reply: like first, read later
I've noticed...
I've watched the video second by second till 17:00. Given the full length is 20:00, I can say I almost watched the whole video.take your time!
And I appreciate the honesty
always
yeah, there was no proof for that statement, it's just the conclusion I got to by watching the video. But, if you are human and capable of making logical connections you should have reached the same conclusion without needing proof...
if you agree then you don't need proof anymore as you've already consciously and willingly accepted this to be true, and that's good
I wanted to have arguments with YOU (the human), not with a retarded machine that's programmed to push the agenda of our overlords. So, I guess our discussion stops here then...
Forgive me for using AI cuz there is a lot to type explaining every example.yeah, there was no proof for that statement, it's just the conclusion I got to by watching the video. But, if you are human and capable of making logical connections you should have reached the same conclusion without needing proof...
if you agree then you don't need proof anymore as you've already consciously and willingly accepted this to be true, and that's good
I wanted to have arguments with YOU (the human), not with a retarded machine that's programmed to push the agenda of our overlords. So, I guess our discussion stops here then...
you didn't hurt me, you don't have to apologize
that's the problem!
did you double check what the AI output so that it's in accordance with the conclusions you drew before inputting them into the AI, or did you simply copy-pasted everything here without checking them?
that's what I'm saying: I want YOUR WHOLE attention and thoughts, I don't want any trace of AI anywhere in my discussions with humans.
I'd love to see this. But without inputting anything into the AI, just spell it as it comes out of your mouth
only in the right hands, man, only in the right hands. And nowadays, most tech that can be harmful or which can force behaviours in humans is not in the right hands, that's the beef I have with technology...
I don't know what you mean by "blanket statements" (probably something bad, or hypocritical maybe...), but I assume it's a bad thing.
that's a positive attitude, I like it. And it's welcome
but this one is NOT a positive attitude. On the contrary, it's precisely the point I'm arguing against because many things are "fairly obvious" nowadays but this doesn't mean that we should not complain about them if they're harming us. If you refuse to complain about them it means that the brainwashing and forced behaviours practices have succeeded in keeping you compliant and cucked to the powers that be.
Does calculator dump you down on on some level?
I did proofread, as I respect you
100% honestly typed by me, (PS. ignored my Grammarly auto spellchecker to not letting Tech dumbs me down according to that video
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on some level, yes. When you stop putting conscious effort into your tasks but choose to let the machines do it you lose a little bit more of the part that makes you human.
I'm not interested in math, I never liked it and I was never good at it actually
yeah, the lines between good and bad are very thin, this is a great argument that I bring up quite often myself in my discussions with others. It's so hard to say where the limit is, so I can't answer this question...
I still use spellcheckers but only rarely, and this is because I noticed that they are used to manipulate us (impose american version of English onto us)
I don't use GPS because I don't own a car because I don't have a license because I have illness issues that prevent me from driving.
they should be used, just rarely, and only if you're aware of how we're getting dumbed down and manipulated with their use. If you are capable of keeping these truths in mind while you're using them you can go ahead and use them. But I'd still say use them rarely only...
As I said, each one of these helpful tools, on their own, is not very detrimental yet.
as I said earlier, I agree with you that the lines are very thin and hard to spot. I'm struggling with finding the limits myself, honestly!
I agree with this (and I think I agreed with this again in a previous reply), so nothing to argue here because technology can be bad, as well as it can be good. No debate here as it matters how you use it.
I think this was the part that I had no arguments against the last time I quoted it. I am pretty sure that this was the only part I couldn't debate because I didn't know how. And guess what: I still don't have arguments against this lol. Oh well.... you can't win every battle
it's not subjective if it affects a lot of people (which it does)
But how do you know that what you're taught is the correct language? As I said (and as much as americans hate to read this) American English is NOT the original language, so in my point of view it's a made-up language. One that's very persistent and which had - sadly - taken over the world due to intense american propaganda, but the real English language is the British one since the Brits have existed long before all other Anglophones (americans, canadians, aussies, etc)
if you've learned the language in which you're typing you should already know how to spell words correctly, so you wouldn't need a spell checker.
I gave a lot of proof and arguments, it's up to you to accept or reject them
no offense intended (honestly, I'm not trying to insult you in any way, but this has to be said) this video is intended to people who are not yet past the point of no return. The video caters to an audience that can still accept logic and common sense as proof, if you find it hard to believe the arguments brought into the video as proof you're probably already brainwashed by the tech companies to such an extent that your brain had lost its ability to discern and to identify dangers.
thanks, I appreciate itI did proofread, as I respect you
the AI has no bias since it's a stupid collection of circuits and metal. It's the programmers that have bias, and this bias can be seen in everything that's AI nowadys... or mostly in everything, probably that there are some fields / industries in which the AI isn't biased (coding for example).
but AI is tech
oooff, you can use Grammarly if you want, that wasn't the point. I feel like I'm talking to the wall100% honestly typed by me, (PS. ignored my Grammarly auto spellchecker to not letting Tech dumbs me down according to that video
Thanks for every line of your reply and I read them all.on some level, yes. When you stop putting conscious effort into your tasks but choose to let the machines do it you lose a little bit more of the part that makes you human.
Again, I'm not totally dismissing calculators, they're very needed to perform complicated tasks that most people can't do yet. But for simple operations I think we should not use them
I'm not interested in math, I never liked it and I was never good at it actually
The calculator is just one of those many and small things that, on its own, is not very dangerous. But when you add them all together the impact they make on us is big and dangerous, especially when we live in an immoral and evil society in which scumbags can hardly wait to take advantage of you and monetize even your last breath.
yeah, the lines between good and bad are very thin, this is a great argument that I bring up quite often myself in my discussions with others. It's so hard to say where the limit is, so I can't answer this question...
I still use spellcheckers but only rarely, and this is because I noticed that they are used to manipulate us (impose american version of English onto us)
I have studied English for nearly 15 years when I was in school, and in communist Romania we studied British English since that is the original version of English that we knew about since we didn't have a lot of exposure to american English and to american things in general until 1989 when the communism fell in our country and we suddenly got bombarded with american propaganda and merchandise.
So, in school I have studied the British English, and since that's the English that I've learned as a youngster that's the one that I stuck with, even if - over the years - I did acquire a lot of words that americans invent for whatever reason even though it's not necessary.
And nowadays, most of the spellcheckers suggest american words by default, and since I know that those words are wrong, I refuse to use the word that spellcheckers suggest and use the original words instead, the ones that I have learned in school. That's why I don't use spellcheckers too much, and that's why I think it dumbs us down (because it forces the american version of English on us, which is not normal because americans have existed for 300 years, while the Brits have existed for millennia, so their language is the original one and their words should be used)
I don't use GPS because I don't own a car because I don't have a license because I have illness issues that prevent me from driving.
But when I did own a license (up until 2021) and I was able to drive I didn't use GPS.... well, to be honest I didn't have one, but my father's car had one so I could have used that one if I wanted, but I refused to. If you rely too much on tech you atrophy your visual memory, which is yet another small step towards becoming a dumbed down version of a human.
Now granted, I never had to travel to locations that I've never visited before, and had I needed to do so I might have used a GPS if the locations were hard to find. But if the location I needed to go - as given to me by someone else that I had to meet at that new location - was simple instructions like "hey man, it's easy: just follow the main road as you enter it from the East, and about 2-3 km inside of the city, turn left after the McDonals and the 5th house on the right is mine, you can't miss it because I'll wait outside and you can see me"
If such instructions (or similar ones) are given to you to find a place that you've never visited before you have to be dumb as a brick to miss this spot. Sure, it involves a bit of effort (memorizing the numbers and instructions given to you), and also using your damn brain to appreciate what 2-3 km means, but if you're a human you can do all of these without using GPS. And people have done these things for decades before the GPS came out, so how come that our parents and grandparents (arguably less evolved than us) were able to perform such simple brain-y tasks, but our new (de)generations of youngsters can't do them anymore.
The answer: overreliance on technology.
And again, when you use the calculator to perform a simple math operation it's hard to assume that you're being dumbed down.
When you also use the GPS to find relatively easy to find locations once or twice it's also hard to assume that you're being dumbed down.
When you use the spellcheckers to let the machine tell you which word is correct (just because the programmers of that machine have chosen to tell us that american English is the correct one) it's also hard to assume that you're being dumbed down.
But when you add all of these together - unless you've lost the capacity to see how all of these can have a negative impact on your human qualities - you can easily see how letting the machines do everything for us reduces our brain functions, therefore it dumbs us down.
You can agree or disagree with me on this, but the fact that reducing your brain functions and letting your senses atrophy dumbs us down remains...
they should be used, just rarely, and only if you're aware of how we're getting dumbed down and manipulated with their use. If you are capable of keeping these truths in mind while you're using them you can go ahead and use them. But I'd still say use them rarely only...
And yeah, I'm OK with ending our conversation here, I've made my point known few times already, so I've no more stuff to debate
As I said, each one of these helpful tools, on their own, is not very detrimental yet.
If you only used spellcheckers your entire life but everything else you did manually or by using your brain, skills, senses, etc that'd be fine because you would still have mental capacity left to be able to learn the correct form or words and you would eventually ditch the spellchecker too.
But when you're bombarded from all directions of multiple "helpers" that are designed to take every little conscious or unconscious, mental or physical effort away from you, over time you will be left like a vegetable, devoid of every quality that makes humans.... well, human
And since these seemingly non-dangerous "helpers" are so subtle you almost never notice their negative impact on your life until you compare yourself to an older version of yourself in 5-10 years from now.
If you find this hard to believe, run some efficiency tests with someone (of older age probably) that's never had access to calculators, spellcheckers and GPS but who is capable of performing all tasks that are replaced by these machines, and see how you fare against them. I am willing to bet that at least 7 times out of 10 the person who didn't use any of these helpers will be more accurate than you and will be able to find new locations easier than you.
That's how you know that your brain functions and senses have toned down and that you're slowly but surely getting transformed into a vegetable whose only purpose is to feed your overlords with your energy. Not to mention that you're also incapable of opposing anyone since you're slowly losing your will to fight and capability of identifying the dangers, so you're unable to fight back, oppose, criticize, you're just able to comply, or not care at best...
as I said earlier, I agree with you that the lines are very thin and hard to spot. I'm struggling with finding the limits myself, honestly!
But, since the borders can't be delimited so easily, the best thing we can do is approach this issue holistically. Ie, look at the overall picture, understand what the effects of using these tools are over our overall health and being. The lines are blurred and almost impossible to spot, but the overall picture should be easy to tell us that we're doing thing wrong...
I agree with this (and I think I agreed with this again in a previous reply), so nothing to argue here because technology can be bad, as well as it can be good. No debate here as it matters how you use it.
But if you're not aware of the negative impacts it can have on you and you're not willing to prevent those bad things happening to you, in time you will be the bearer of those negative effects in such an imperceptible way that you won't be able to recognize the dangers anymore because you will have lost the human qualities that tell you deep inside "don't do this, don't do this, don't do this..."
And this seems to be the state you are in at the moment (incapable of recognizing the dangerous anymore due to the senses that spot danger having been diminished / atrophied due to excessive use of tech). I hope I'm wrong and that you're actually very well aware of the spot you're in, but I think I'm right in this particular aspect...
I think this was the part that I had no arguments against the last time I quoted it. I am pretty sure that this was the only part I couldn't debate because I didn't know how. And guess what: I still don't have arguments against this lol. Oh well.... you can't win every battle
it's not subjective if it affects a lot of people (which it does)
But how do you know that what you're taught is the correct language? As I said (and as much as americans hate to read this) American English is NOT the original language, so in my point of view it's a made-up language. One that's very persistent and which had - sadly - taken over the world due to intense american propaganda, but the real English language is the British one since the Brits have existed long before all other Anglophones (americans, canadians, aussies, etc)
Also, if you do learn how to spell those words that are being autocorrected, the next time when you use them, that's a win indeed! But I am willing to bet that you either don't want to learn how to spell them correctly next time, or that you don't care about doing since you've already been subtly forced into using the spellcheckers because they're so convenient.
In either case, the result will be the same: you will not learn how to spell the words correctly regardless of the reason, which is yet another way in which people get dumbed down by tech.
if you've learned the language in which you're typing you should already know how to spell words correctly, so you wouldn't need a spell checker.
This being said, I agree that proofreading emails or important documents before sending them out is needed, so in this case using tech to support or enhance your abilities is OK, but not to replace them.
I gave a lot of proof and arguments, it's up to you to accept or reject them
no offense intended (honestly, I'm not trying to insult you in any way, but this has to be said) this video is intended to people who are not yet past the point of no return. The video caters to an audience that can still accept logic and common sense as proof, if you find it hard to believe the arguments brought into the video as proof you're probably already brainwashed by the tech companies to such an extent that your brain had lost its ability to discern and to identify dangers.
For me, and the other 1000s or millions of viewers, the arguments brought in that video are good enough proof to be believable and known as real.
And yeah, he's making this for getting views, no doubt about it. But you can get views either by telling truth, by telling lies, by creating entertainment, etc.. And, in this guy's instance, he's chosen to focus on truths, and there's nothing wrong with this as other channels use lies or entertainment to get views and that's fine too (well, the lies are not OK, but the point I'm trying to make is fine with mentioning lies as getting views) since these people are youtubers...
thanks, I appreciate it
the AI has no bias since it's a stupid collection of circuits and metal. It's the programmers that have bias, and this bias can be seen in everything that's AI nowadys... or mostly in everything, probably that there are some fields / industries in which the AI isn't biased (coding for example).
but AI is tech
oooff, you can use Grammarly if you want, that wasn't the point. I feel like I'm talking to the wall
Anyway, it's been nice having a chat with a human in an AI-infested world.... Hopefully more of us will wake up before we all get obliterated...
fair points! All of themThanks for every line of your reply and I read them all.
I understand your concern and argument, and I partially agree.
Tech does dumb us down, at some level.. But looking at the history of tech advancements, I stay overall positive about it.
As for AI, and based on your previous posts I know you hate GPT, I agree AI has a high chance of being abused and misused to so-called dumb you down with less critical thinking involved.
IMO it is only the positive and negative view of it, it does not change what AI or Tech is.
It's an interesting conversion and it seems we cannot reach an agreement so let's happily end our conversation here.
100% agree to this. I've ready started to do mental exercises, chess mix of trining combos, balance, etc.For those who already know it this video is probably boring and not worth watching, but the people who advocate for 100% technological lifestyle and don't believe that technology makes us stupid this video should be a wake up call
if you feel that it's too long it means that your instinct tells you that it's not interesting because you already know (unconsciously, of course) what's in the video. So you shouldn't watch it
your call! But it's your call based on the information you have at the moment. After you watch the video, it's possible to have acquired new info, which means that you might change your opinion too. It's important for humans to constantly know and be aware of things...
I explained in one of the previous replies how you can measure it. Actually, how to assess it, because measurements only apply to quantifiable things, and - from what I know - concepts and feelings can't be quantified.
amplifications can be done in negative ways, or in positive ways. If you mean "enhance" instead of "amplify" I would agree with your take. But amplification can have negative connotations, so I don't agree with it since - in the context of this thread - tech does have negative amplifications over us.
the benefits are already known. Had I come here and said "look guys, spellcheckers can help us learn new language! Also look, the GPS can help us find unknown locations faster and easier" I would have probably gotten a lot of eyerolls and "duh!"s
true! I might have exaggerated this part a bit, sorry!
what does your instinct tell you? When you stare at this video while being relaxed and completely empty of emotions and thoughts, do you feel curiosity and compulsion to click on it, or do you feel boredom and the urge to find something else to do?
not everyone operates with the same values, not all of us have the same thoughts, desires, skills, and aspirations in life. So, stuff that's boring for you can be extremely fascinating to me, and vice-versa. And I'm sure that I don't need to give you examples of this in order for you to agree with me in this particular aspect. But if you need examples I can humour you
Yeah, many videos do that, but not this one. At least not according to me, if you feel differently well, that's your opinion.
oh, man.... Show me 5-6 of your favorite youtubers and - even before knowing who those are - I can bet my house on a nickel that every single one of those youtubers is in it for the money.
