MayDay - What Are the Quality Signals?

MisterGemini, is the google mayday update already fully in effect or is it still being implemented?

If so, how come sites like "4 slice toaster" (thin minisite) still ranking at the top for its keyword?
 
IMHO it's quite easy to radically change microsites domination for long tail keyword - just by changing the weight assigning to the exact match domain name. I register matching domain in relatively low competition area put "we are launching soon" article,add hundred comments with scrapebox and in the week almost guarantee the its on the first page. It's not near as easy if domain name is no match.

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What are your thoughts on getting better links to your website?

When you create a site, unique and compelling products or services content is what matters most. How can you make yours different from all the other sites on the web? Your customers will link to you when they think it's great and that will happen naturally. But, you can also look for opportunities for links too - not just by emailing a webmaster asking for links but expanding in the same way you'd expand your business. I.E., forging partnerships and adding value to others.

Links are a big part of our PageRank algorithm which is a major component on the 100's of items in it. Links are not just based on quantity but more so on quality. We know on a link by link basis what is valuable to what and we value them all differently. It is done algorithmically and we also have a manual spam-fighting team. Just because you have a lot of links doesn't necessarily mean you are getting value. Look for quality links not quantity.

What this says to me is that you really should balance out the type of links that you get, dont go after lots of profile links to all of your sites, use article, videos, podcast, rss, press realease's, hub pages, squidoo, flicker, ehow and any large well know site and base the links on topic because it offers more to the searcher who is more likely to link to your site. And if you do have profile links fill out the profile and add some content about you site just in case the manual spam team have a look at your links.


The commentary they made about forging partnerships was interesting, but it also made me wonder about how that looks.

Looking around at some of the more popular trend/news sites I noticed some of the writers for those sites had subtitles that lead back to their own blog. Then it reminded me of the blog guest posting thing. That seems to be along the lines of what they are talking about. Though I think it could go further.

A few years ago there was a growing trend, and I think it's time to bring it back. :) ... does anybody remember the little badges people used to (and still do) offer about a review done on your site, and it got like 5 stars, and there was a page on the site that gave details on your site. So of course, you put that badge up on your site because hey, what better way to show trust than a 3rd party saying you rocked right?

I can remember something about Google not liking this. Mainly because it got picked up by the IM world and morphed into other things. I think something similar to that where you do have some interaction with a site owner would be beneficial. Imagine for a moment that within your super ranking page it includes reference to the top 3 other 'related' sites with nice little gold stars indicating who they are.. and that doesn't link directly to them, but to an internal page about them, which then links to them.

They don't have to be related directly. Suppose your page is about I don't know, baby food. A related link might be to a webmd page, or to a specific doctor who writes something about baby food. I guess the best example might be how wikipedia uses related links. It doesn't have to be something that damns your own attempt to sell a product/service though. Also by setting up that other link to be an internal link to another page, you increase your page views, showing ou are giving the user what they want, and of course you got another opportunity to advertise on that page.

Consider this, if that link was not on your page, they would have bounced to hit google again. You can now engineer the pages as 'rescuep pages knowing that your site hasn't given them what they want, so this is your last chance to grab them.

Then there is just the straight link exchange, which still works great. I believe there is a step by step here at BHW from bobbylove that explains this in detail. Great method.

Let's take it a step further...

Blog Commenting

We all know it, love it, but we leave a lot of money on the table for it often times. This is just an idea.

With whatever you use, take the blogs that are PR4 to PR8 that you have in your list that are nofollow, and do some real commenting to them several times. go about the site and comment on various posts with some real thought.

After that, contact the blog owner, tell him you been reading his blog and commenting for a little while, and ask to do a guest post on yadayada. It's obviously going to be on something you offer at your site, and if it's a fit for his readership, he will be more than happy to get some free content. Obviously you include a link, which will be a d0follow, and you might even score a sitewide link in their blogroll.

This will go a long way, both with his readers, and with the site owner. Who do you think he is going to recommend everytime your site subject comes up? You.

I think this is one way to interpret the idea of forging relationships. I think they talk about this because this would certainly be a big part of the Web 3.0 schema in the future for personal search. eg. That blog you just created a relationship with may have a reader who subscribes to it via rss. When they go searching for baby food, your site comes up as #1 because of that relationship.

As I have noted many many times in this thread from my analysis, the number of links certainly did not help in most cases. I saw time and again sites that had tens of thousands of links get smashed with pages with 10.

Quality of links might be interpreted as link diversity as well. I did notice though in the information that they talked about the site becoming established and then later getting into the social networking circles. That seems to indicate that there is a progression that they expect from how and where a site gets linked to and discovered.

I theorized this about a week ago here in another thread (I think it was nofollow vs. d0follow). The idea is to just think about a site and how it would launch, and what kind of real human interactions woudl take place for links to be developed to it vs. what most of you all here do using tools to blast out getting links from where ever you can. :) I should probably take a closer look at that process.

Those are some of my thoughts on this for now. I hope others might be able to further comment on links and how they might affect your quality signals and ways to get these 'partnerships' that the glady mentioned.
 
Cool thought, i've also been thinking about how to use web 2.0 sites like squidoo, hubpages and weebly. Idea is to create one article for each of these web 2.0 sites, add adsense or ebay or amazon ads and then put a link in the text on the page that your promoting, now if the user clicks that link and buys then you've just enhanced your chance of a sale that might have been lost if they clicked off your site. Tactic is to better your chance of a sale as i think most of these sites will be no good for adsense, just my option. way i see it is offer them more and the chances of your site getting better rankings will increase.
 
Cool thought, i've also been thinking about how to use web 2.0 sites like squidoo, hubpages and weebly. Idea is to create one article for each of these web 2.0 sites, add adsense or ebay or amazon ads and then put a link in the text on the page that your promoting, now if the user clicks that link and buys then you've just enhanced your chance of a sale that might have been lost if they clicked off your site. Tactic is to better your chance of a sale as i think most of these sites will be no good for adsense, just my option. way i see it is offer them more and the chances of your site getting better rankings will increase.

If you want to focus on web2.0 properties like this, I will give you a tip. Some of these properties do have a high PR and such. In this new google, what you might like to try is when you setup a hub or a lens or whatever, is to go about the community within that site and find relevant hubs and lenses to comment on. This will effectively transfer PR and relevance from that site to yours. Most people don't know/realize that the internal links in those sites are d0follow. ;) In addition to this of course you want to build up links externally like you would any site.

If you go about doing this on a product by product keyword basis, you could easily dominate the top 5 SERPs.
 
If you want to focus on web2.0 properties like this, I will give you a tip. Some of these properties do have a high PR and such. In this new google, what you might like to try is when you setup a hub or a lens or whatever, is to go about the community within that site and find relevant hubs and lenses to comment on. This will effectively transfer PR and relevance from that site to yours. Most people don't know/realize that the internal links in those sites are d0follow. ;) In addition to this of course you want to build up links externally like you would any site.

If you go about doing this on a product by product keyword basis, you could easily dominate the top 5 SERPs.
Yeah i've heard about the internal links which are great for pushing the 2.0 sites the rankings. I now build a mix of do-follow and no-follow because both do matter in my option.
 
MisterGemini, is the google mayday update already fully in effect or is it still being implemented?

If so, how come sites like "4 slice toaster" (thin minisite) still ranking at the top for its keyword?

Sorry I just noticed this question. These are going to be phased out over time as there are movements within those keyword areas. It was on June 8 that all the changes for caffeine were completed. What you will start to see over the months are people dropping out of these spots as the new algo operates. It is also possible that these sites may remain in place in some instances when there really is absolutely nothing else that comes nearly as close to the search term. There is obviously some terms that have not been categorized yet. As google gathers more data that will gradually continue to happen.
 
Posted by MisterGemini

I been tossing around the idea of starting a project where people could see everything from start to finish for a 'real' site. I wouldn't hide the niche info, or the domain or anything. I get the sense that a lot of people are still lost about how to go about things without seeing real world examples. Especially in regards to this new google.

Posted by Thestig

Anybody see this as a good or bad idea?
bad idea because you've put in all the effort and for what everyone else to profit from, know one else has shared anything here from all the post i read so dont do it mate. build your sites and let the others get of there butts and give some input back in

Posted by Thestig
see this type of bullshit comment"fantastic idea"this guys been reading the thread and put in zero input, everyones looking for a free lunch?


Congratulations Thestig on dissuading Mistergemini from creating an experiment that would benefit the whole BHW community. You are a real champion, everyone should give you rep for that.
 
Great info, Thanks for your information and going to try to implement this in some of my websites.
 
Congratulations Thestig on dissuading Mistergemini from creating an experiment that would benefit the whole BHW community. You are a real champion, everyone should give you rep for that.

I dissuading Mr G from doing this because of people like yourself giving nothing back, i,ve posted on this thread information and ideas about whats going on with the updated and located the same patterns just like Mr G has done which has been hours of hard work, what have you done? sweet f..k all. The guys laid everything out on a plate for you guys and your still to lazy to try put some hard work in. do me a favour? go to the screen shot i posted, then do some searching in google to see the pattern, and then read this thread properly. I really dont see why you should be spoon fed, after all your not a baby? are you. O yeah, give me my rep points please:D and i read the bottom of your post "To make money you have to work smart, not hard" says it all
 
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ipopbb mentioned about RDFa and microformats. Coincidentally, I am doing a little test using a site with microformats. It's not huge enough as yet to request rich data inclusion in Google but it will be interesting to see if it has anything to do with rankings.

I'll report back with the results in a week or two, hopefully.
 
ipopbb mentioned about RDFa and microformats. Coincidentally, I am doing a little test using a site with microformats. It's not huge enough as yet to request rich data inclusion in Google but it will be interesting to see if it has anything to do with rankings.

I'll report back with the results in a week or two, hopefully.

Would be interested to hear the results too.
 
Mister Gemini looks like the way to go was:

* Keywordresearch
* Articlewriting
* Create Page

Now it could be:

* Keywordresearch
* Ask google for the keyword and see what ranks
* Copy the type of pages that came up. Whatever they use so that google likes them for the key.

So it looks like you have to spend a bit more work for each page now...
 
Mister Gemini looks like the way to go was:

* Keywordresearch
* Articlewriting
* Create Page

Now it could be:

* Keywordresearch
* Ask google for the keyword and see what ranks
* Copy the type of pages that came up. Whatever they use so that google likes them for the key.

So it looks like you have to spend a bit more work for each page now...

Thats the way to do it, doing the same with one new site and a few old ones which started to rise in the serps again, just adding more content and i'll also be report back also. keep up the good work
 
Mister Gemini looks like the way to go was:

* Keywordresearch
* Articlewriting
* Create Page

Now it could be:

* Keywordresearch
* Ask google for the keyword and see what ranks
* Copy the type of pages that came up. Whatever they use so that google likes them for the key.

So it looks like you have to spend a bit more work for each page now...

You got it. :) ... I wonder if keyword tools will ever advance enough to be able to help tell you exactly what kind of site to make, but I am guessing not likely.
 
You got it. :) ... I wonder if keyword tools will ever advance enough to be able to help tell you exactly what kind of site to make, but I am guessing not likely.

I think additionally these tools should take the closest look at the sites that are newest and have the least backlinks. Because these sites mostly will rank high because of the right content/products and so on...
 
Am I wrong or can it be that backlinks from pages with another language than the targetpage are now less worth?
And can it be that sites in another language now rank worser in google.com?

If true I need to change my backlinking... But im not fully sure till now.
 
Am I wrong or can it be that backlinks from pages with another language than the targetpage are now less worth?
And can it be that sites in another language now rank worser in google.com?

If true I need to change my backlinking... But im not fully sure till now.

I have no idea regarding if links from pages from other languages are less worth, but this maybe the case just thinking about it.

Definitely different languages will not go well in google.com. They would be assigned ranking to their respective country as the main language.

I haven't done enough analysis to really determine it, but many have talked for a long time about getting links from relevant sites to your own. This has been mentioned recently in other circles as well.

If this is indeed the case, it would make sense that google would devalue a link coming from another site that was not english. From the user experience perspective, the person who speaks a different language would not be able to read whats there.

As I said though, when I did all my checking, I looked at what was going on with the links, but I didn't take a lot of time to look at their link sources to see if the links they received were from similar sites etc. I can tell you though that from some of the ones I did check out, the links appeared fairly organic and from diverse sources.
 
Links from certain geographic area may help you rank for local search. Just look how many US sites rank on Google UK. And how many English sites rank well on Google Indonesia.

And I do think links from pages in other languages will still have some value. Sometimes when blogging in Bahasa, I still link to trusted foreign sources because, like it or not, there are no local counterpart.
 
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