Are unethical/black hat methods allowed to be sold here?

[awesomewebsites]

You missed the part where I said I don't do it anymore and that I'm married and moved away from the black hat lifestyle in favor of building my business with my wife and newborn.

Anything else ? I am still not convinced. lol

 

[Opulentos]

So, you got married and can't do BH anymore?
Hahaha!

Personal morals. I've changed a lot since I met my wife and I don't want to be involved in unethical business practices. It wasn't illegal but still felt immoral for me. I've got a growing business now, and a motorhome and want to travel so have 0 time for BH stuff

 

[Wilson Grant Fisk]

Personal morals. I've changed a lot since I met my wife and I don't want to be involved in unethical business practices. It wasn't illegal but still felt immoral for me. I've got a growing business now, and a motorhome and want to travel so have 0 time for BH stuff

If it wasn't illegal, then why stop?
What part was unethical?
What has a motorhome and travel have to do with anything? lol
No offence but sounds like BS to me.
Anyway, up for a review copy lol

 

[XrumerGeek]

Personal morals. I've changed a lot since I met my wife and I don't want to be involved in unethical business practices. It wasn't illegal but still felt immoral for me. I've got a growing business now, and a motorhome and want to travel so have 0 time for BH stuff

Stops because he felt conflicted morally.

Then plans to sell said method.

Story checks out.

 

[Opulentos]

If it wasn't illegal, then why stop?
What part was unethical?
What has a motorhome and travel have to do with anything? lol
No offence but sounds like BS to me.
Anyway, up for a review copy lol

Good questions, I stopped because like I said my morals have changed since I got with my wife and when she got pregnant, I prefer stability over fast cash which requires constant changes and updates. I own a company now and have 2 big contracts that started around July that take up most of my time.

The motorhome and travel was just mentioned because I sold a site for $200k+ at the end of last year, beginning of this year and I was planning on doing a 6+ month trip with my wife so I don't have time to do any online work at all.

I could hand over 2 review copies so I'll keep you in mind for when I get the BST sorted.

Stops because he felt conflicted morally.

Then plans to sell the method.

Story checks out.

Big difference between feeling conflicted doing it myself because of new family values versus selling the strategy to a young blooded entrepreneur looking to make fast cash with less of a moral compass

 

[XrumerGeek]

Big difference between feeling conflicted doing it myself because of new family values versus selling the strategy to a young blooded entrepreneur looking to make fast cash with less of a moral compass

Nah, no difference at all brah.

Nevertheless, submit to BST and see if you're approved, once you buy Jnr.VIP.

Treading a fine line in this thread.

 

[thanhtruong1]

Nếu không phải là bất hợp pháp thì tại sao lại dừng lại?
Phần nào là phi đạo đức?
Xe cắm trại và du lịch có liên quan gì đến nhau? lol
Không có ý xúc phạm nhưng với tôi nghe có vẻ vô lý.
Dù sao thì, cũng xin gửi bản sao để đánh giá lol

Another case is that the method is about to be patched and you are about to sell it to make some final money

 

[Salamouna]

Big difference between feeling conflicted doing it myself because of new family values versus selling the strategy to a young blooded entrepreneur looking to make fast cash with less of a moral compass

Please use the multi quote option

 

[BNB]

Personal morals. I've changed a lot since I met my wife and I don't want to be involved in unethical business practices. It wasn't illegal but still felt immoral for me. I've got a growing business now, and a motorhome and want to travel so have 0 time for BH stuff

I waited for this comment to appear.

Let's make things super simple.

You want to sell a BH course (nobody cares how BH it is unless it's carding or something equal, it won't get listed)

Because of your personal morals.

$500/day method, selling to 5 people only, price: $500

So, you want us to believe that if 100 people contact you to buy, you're going to say,

HEY, I already sold this 5 times, sorry no more. You really think that? I mean, why wouldn't you, it's Personal morals.

Working out a price range. Since it's an exclusive low competition black hats strategy, I don't want it to be saturated so I want to sell it to only 3-5 people for $500 for the strategy.

Why don't you simply use your BH method 5 days more, and generate that $2500 revenue that would come via BST?

You have to pay Jr Vip, BST approval fees. Just work more 5 days for that money, and say to yourself it's done, no more.


Instead, you want to spread the 'unethical business practices' to other people. Personal morals? Nice.

See, your story is bad from all angles. Whatever your response or goal for this might be, it's gross.



To add one last thing. 5 people (if any buy this) will spread your method further sooner or later.

But, if you label word Personal literally, there's nothing to worry about. World is mad and bad /w w/o u.

 

[Opulentos]

Method that makes $500/day to be sold for $500 for 3-5 people.

That seems perfectly right.

I'll actually be refining the model once I get my BST approved. This was just at the top of my head since I don't want it saturated and the people who bought it complaining about mass competition.

Another case is that the method is about to be patched and you are about to sell it to make some final money

Good argument, but it's actually not patched or about to be patched. It's an evergreen model but does require constant changes to keep profiting hence why it's too time consuming for me to even consider doing.

I waited for this comment to appear.

Let's make things super simple.

You want to sell a BH course (nobody cares how BH it is unless it's carding or something equal, it won't get listed)

Because of your personal morals.

$500/day method, selling to 5 people only, price: $500

So, you want us to believe that if 100 people contact you to buy, you're going to say,

HEY, I already sold this 5 times, sorry no more. You really think that? I mean, why wouldn't you, it's Personal morals.



Why don't you simply use your BH method 5 days more, and generate that $2500 revenue that would come via BST?

You have to pay Jr Vip, BST approval fees. Just work more 5 days for that money, and say to yourself it's done, no more.


Instead, you want to spread the 'unethical business practices' to other people. Personal morals? Nice.

See, your story is bad from all angles. Whatever your response or goal for this might be, it's gross.



To add one last thing. 5 people (if any buy this) will spread your method further sooner or later.

But, if you label word Personal literally, there's nothing to worry about. World is mad and bad /w w/o u.

You make a good point, I was just fishing for interest now so when I submit this as a BST, and get it approved, I can come up with a price + number of sales. I don't want to sell to hundreds for $XX amount when I could just charge a small number of people a larger $XXX so there's no chance of saturation and its more valuable.

 

[zotix]

It's been a whole year and I still use this method throughout 2024. Since I'm officially married and working on my company, I'm selling it on BHW once I buy a JR VIP and pay for a listing.

Working out a price range. Since it's an exclusive low competition black hats strategy, I don't want it to be saturated so I want to sell it to only 3-5 people for $500 for the strategy.

Would this price be a premium people are willing to pay on BHW for the golden nuggets inside the BH strategy?

Hey, it honestly sounds like you are doing indirect promotion.
No lying: Congrats on stepping out of this BH scene, which sounds like something that is not easy peasy, like CPM Faking.
So if it's genuinely the Money Machine —unique, not oversaturated, and only for 3-5 people (excluding the Mods who will check it)—I can promise this will be resold within a few months.
Leaving a "method" that brought you the whole year (obv. steady income), and you are willing / forced to drop it because of marriage and job - which is genuinely appreciated, indicates that it is something related to fraud that might bring you in big trouble [probably related to female/adult stuff].

And if it is not that fraudulent, you are good to go, but I dont believe it, sorry. Especially not if it's limited to 3-5 people. You are advertising something already before getting the approval for it. I think there are many other places to sell it for not only for 500$ each person but 10x, if it's not known.
Just to give you a real-life example: If, at least in Germany, you sell a local shop to someone else, which is in a good location, for any reason (idk), the "ASK price" is definitely not that cheap. There is often a multiplier of 2-3x the annual net profit.
A scalable, unique, and good local business or digital product, a Subscription-based SaaS model (BH), with growth potential, might have a multiplier of 10x+.
This is simply the reason why I do not believe you - sorry.

By the way.: Selling this method, is not that BH, like doing it - but you are still spreading a technique which is not something you can do on ebay or something, at least it sounds fraudulent. So it is more or less "your last" move, which is not better than earning 1500$-2000$

As long as it does not violate local norms, it is fine. You can check the bhw guide

Correct, but it might - most likely, otherwise OP would not ask. Or stop doing it because he wants to live the beach life with a 9 to 5 Job.

Definitely sounds like something I'll be listing very soon then, thanks for the help

Let's see: I instead think you are fishing for DM's.

Personal morals. I've changed a lot since I met my wife and I don't want to be involved in unethical business practices. It wasn't illegal but still felt immoral for me. I've got a growing business now, and a motorhome and want to travel so have 0 time for BH stuff

All I can read here is that you are doing moral reframing and value depreciation from a psychological perspective.
Distance = By saying that it is "immortal," which, paired with the fact of personal development, gives trustworthiness.
At the same time, you depreciate the method’s value by saying that you have 0 time for BH stuff, which might build trust and raise more questions about the method.

Psychology 101


Kind regards,
zotix

 

[zotix]

I waited for this comment to appear.

Let's make things super simple.

You want to sell a BH course (nobody cares how BH it is unless it's carding or something equal, it won't get listed)

Because of your personal morals.

$500/day method, selling to 5 people only, price: $500

So, you want us to believe that if 100 people contact you to buy, you're going to say,

HEY, I already sold this 5 times, sorry no more. You really think that? I mean, why wouldn't you, it's Personal morals.



Why don't you simply use your BH method 5 days more, and generate that $2500 revenue that would come via BST?

You have to pay Jr Vip, BST approval fees. Just work more 5 days for that money, and say to yourself it's done, no more.


Instead, you want to spread the 'unethical business practices' to other people. Personal morals? Nice.

See, your story is bad from all angles. Whatever your response or goal for this might be, it's gross.



To add one last thing. 5 people (if any buy this) will spread your method further sooner or later.

But, if you label word Personal literally, there's nothing to worry about. World is mad and bad /w w/o u.

You were 8min faster than me; hope that applies not to all areas of life ;-)

Good summarized.

zotix

 

[Opulentos]

Hey, it honestly sounds like you are doing indirect promotion.
No lying: Congrats on stepping out of this BH scene, which sounds like something that is not easy peasy, like CPM Faking.
So if it's genuinely the Money Machine —unique, not oversaturated, and only for 3-5 people (excluding the Mods who will check it)—I can promise this will be resold within a few months.
Leaving a "method" that brought you the whole year (obv. steady income), and you are willing / forced to drop it because of marriage and job - which is genuinely appreciated, indicates that it is something related to fraud that might bring you in big trouble [probably related to female/adult stuff].

And if it is not that fraudulent, you are good to go, but I dont believe it, sorry. Especially not if it's limited to 3-5 people. You are advertising something already before getting the approval for it. I think there are many other places to sell it for not only for 500$ each person but 10x, if it's not known.
Just to give you a real-life example: If, at least in Germany, you sell a local shop to someone else, which is in a good location, for any reason (idk), the "ASK price" is definitely not that cheap. There is often a multiplier of 2-3x the annual net profit.
A scalable, unique, and good local business or digital product, a Subscription-based SaaS model (BH), with growth potential, might have a multiplier of 10x+.
This is simply the reason why I do not believe you - sorry.

By the way.: Selling this method, is not that BH, like doing it - but you are still spreading a technique which is not something you can do on ebay or something, at least it sounds fraudulent. So it is more or less "your last" move, which is not better than earning 1500$-2000$



Correct, but it might - most likely, otherwise OP would not ask. Or stop doing it because he wants to live the beach life with a 9 to 5 Job.



Let's see: I instead think you are fishing for DM's.


All I can read here is that you are doing moral reframing and value depreciation from a psychological perspective.
Distance = By saying that it is "immortal," which, paired with the fact of personal development, gives trustworthiness.
At the same time, you depreciate the method’s value by saying that you have 0 time for BH stuff, which might build trust and raise more questions about the method.

Psychology 101


Kind regards,
zotix

Hey Zotix, great observations. For one I'm not fishing for DMs to buy the course from me. From what I understand, the PMs can be read by mods anyway so they can check if I'm selling in the DMs. I am checking for interest though as I would like to sell this. I've been offering golden nuggets and free strategies on this site for years including white hat affiliate niche site methods which you can read on my old 2 year old journey threads.

When I said $500+ daily, it wasn't $500+ per day for a year nor was it stable like you said. It was fast money that comes and goes depending on the time of month, how much time I put in, I mentioned this in the thread a few times too.

 

[zotix]

Hey Zotix, great observations. For one I'm not fishing for DMs to buy the course from me. From what I understand, the PMs can be read by mods anyway so they can check if I'm selling in the DMs. I am checking for interest though as I would like to sell this. I've been offering golden nuggets and free strategies on this site for years including white hat affiliate niche site methods which you can read on my old 2 year old journey threads.

When I said $500+ daily, it wasn't $500+ per day for a year nor was it stable like you said. It was fast money that comes and goes depending on the time of month, how much time I put in, I mentioned this in the thread a few times too.

I dont want to be rude, thats just my way to answer - sorry for that (upfront).

Yellow marked, lets dive in:

• There is a method, that brings you [fast money], daily- as you said.
• In the same sentence you say, that [depending on the time of month, how much time I put in] This does not match with fast money, nor following part

I've been making around $500+ a day during my prime black hat days using a specific strategy

• In this message you say it again, that it was [arround $500+ a day during my prime ] So it is, as you said [a specific strategy],...

It's been a whole year and I still use this method throughout 2024

• Which was so good, that you used [this method throughout 2024] Means, you used it approx 6 Month - just an assumption, as well as that you had [a day during prime time] once a week. Where you earned each day [arround $500+]...

You missed the part where I said I don't do it anymore and that I'm married and moved away from the black hat lifestyle in favor of building my business with my wife and newborn.

It's not illegal, you can say it borders between grey hat and unethical but nothing that screams scam/manipulation.

Since it's an exclusive low competition black hats strategy

I want to sell it to only 3-5 people for $500 for the strategy.

Would this price be a premium people are willing to pay on BHW for the golden nuggets inside the BH strategy?

• And earned roughly $2,000 a month / $12k in 6 Month, saying that it is not illegal, but you are [are married and moved away from the black hat lifestyle] Means, you used it approx 6 Month - just an assumption, as well as that you had [a day during prime time] once a week. Where you earned each day [arround $500+]
• [It's not illegal, you can say it borders between grey hat and unethical but nothing that screams scam/manipulation.]
• You want to charge people $500, for the so called [golden nuggets inside the BH stretegy]
• A price, that you can earn with one (!) [prime day]

I will not quote the parts where you mentioned that it is not over-saturated.
Well, the only advice I can give you is: If this is truly not illegal, you made good Money, and it's unique—better talk with your wife about her influence rather than selling a [golden nugget] to randoms.
You are not even sure about the pricing. As I already wrote, if this is a Money Machine / Golden Nugget—you name it—then it's worth a Multiplier X of the annual net—and NOT what you are able to make in one day.



zotix

 

[Opulentos]

I dont want to be rude, thats just my way to answer - sorry for that (upfront).

Yellow marked, lets dive in:

• There is a method, that brings you [fast money], daily- as you said.
• In the same sentence you say, that [depending on the time of month, how much time I put in] This does not match with fast money, nor following part

• In this message you say it again, that it was [arround $500+ a day during my prime ] So it is, as you said [a specific strategy],...

• Which was so good, that you used [this method throughout 2024] Means, you used it approx 6 Month - just an assumption, as well as that you had [a day during prime time] once a week. Where you earned each day [arround $500+]...

• And earned roughly $2,000 a month / $12k in 6 Month, saying that it is not illegal, but you are [are married and moved away from the black hat lifestyle] Means, you used it approx 6 Month - just an assumption, as well as that you had [a day during prime time] once a week. Where you earned each day [arround $500+]
• [It's not illegal, you can say it borders between grey hat and unethical but nothing that screams scam/manipulation.]
• You want to charge people $500, for the so called [golden nuggets inside the BH stretegy]
• A price, that you can earn with one (!) [prime day]

I will not quote the parts where you mentioned that it is not over-saturated.
Well, the only advice I can give you is: If this is truly not illegal, you made good Money, and it's unique—better talk with your wife about her influence rather than selling a [golden nugget] to randoms.
You are not even sure about the pricing. As I already wrote, if this is a Money Machine / Golden Nugget—you name it—then it's worth a Multiplier X of the annual net—and NOT what you are able to make in one day.



zotix

While I appreciate the very deep analysis into what I wrote, it's just a way to fish for interest for my BST before releasing it and gauging a price as I do want to only sell it to a limited number of people, whether that be 5, 20 or 50. Each number obviously requires different pricing and because the strategy is pretty effective and can be scaled for any niche, I do want to sell at a high price.

This year in 2024 I didn't actually use this as frequently as you mentioned nor did it hit "prime" day numbers of $500+ a day. Those numbers came from the days when I actually went balls deep and spent hours a day on the strategy, this year I had no need to do this as I just sold a site for $200k and had investments in my real life company as well as other projects.

And I am selling off a lot of my assets that I still have to fully leave the IM space as I have investments in stock, crypto, and real estate. Therefore I am selling this method for a premium price for anyone who wants to go deep into BH and make a killing.

I think a lot of people are just assuming I am selling it for a quick buck but they fail to realize the 4 years of golden nuggets I've been teaching for free, including keyword research, traffic strategies, SEO, how to get affiliate sales etc. These are all mentioned on my journey threads and free method posts I've been posting since I joined in 2020.

I don't need to release this guide, or do anything. I can practically give it away for free but that would be useless given how low competition it is so saturating it will be damaging. I've also spent a lot of time writing it so I may as well get paid for the years of knowledge condensed into a 10k word guide.

 

[zotix]

This year in 2024 I didn't actually use this as frequently as you mentioned nor did it hit "prime" day numbers of $500+ a day

Please reread my last quotes/post.

You dont need to convince me - at the end of the day, you have to persuade Mods/BST Tester and the people who buy it.
But well, I genuinely wish you all the best - not a joke.

Looking at the CEO of E-Books, @sscaz, who writes more books than a university professor, the company is full of review copies and evidence and costs about 40% of the price that you think of; you might need solid evidence and proof to sell it.
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-i-made-75-000-in-4-months-with-2-projects-proof-of-earnings-included.1543701/

This user has convinced many others with his e-book and is constantly offering new methods—I don't know, but probably he is walking through a park full of nature alone, and suddenly he has the idea to write an e-book on how to make money with a YouTube channel and 15 other methods on the calming effect on people and the power of nature.

What I want to say, or would recommend: Since you are going away from this BH scene, keep the price (as you noted previously), convince readers how to achieve and get at least the ROI & sell it on mass. Because if you do not do it - someone else will do it in bulk.

So, if you want to Exit the game, take the best profit out of it

I wish you good luck.

Kind regards,
zotix

@sscaz : That was not meant to offend, but rather to compliment.

 

[zotix]

Trying to edit because of Grammarly Auto-Edit issues

 

[Pro Reddit]

What is BST? Sorry I am new here.

 

[content10ment]

You only need to worry about the scrutiny of the service by the moderators. If it passes, you are good to go

 

[thanhtruong1]

You only need to worry about the scrutiny of the service by the moderators. If it passes, you are good to go

It's true, don't even ask, just post and the decision is up to the moderators