What’s the best traffic source?

[cryptom0]

When you write to make a real supplement page, do you mean to sell your own product and advertise it with google ads?

sell your own product or service and advertise it

 

[cambarus]

You can do dropshipping of cheap supplements from Amazon. Theoretically you can make your own easily, but what's the point if you're just testing waters.

I get it, thanks for clarifying

 

[cambarus]

sell your own product or service and advertise it

Thanks, good point!

 

[wallacex]

organic traffic takes a very long time
native ads are too expensive compared to other ads,
is any ad network with native ads that work well will Clickbank offers, lead generation?
any other suggestions (except organic and native) ?

you are 100% right organic traffic takes a very long time. I create a lot of blogs and websites in last 10 months , 1 selling bio cosmetic products, other I own a smm panel, and the other 2 websites doing reviews about few Amazon products.
I had try many many keywords to match few products I'm selling, did properly on-page SEO, create high quality backlinks from other related blogs, and I invested in facebook ads too.

In the end I got in each of my 4 websites between 10000-18000 visitors/ month, so around 330 - 600 visitors daily and I got occasional sales in my cosmetic niche stores and the other 3 websites I rarely make sales. So even working during long time it doesn't gurantee you tons of sales.
I probably spent $500 per month promoting and maintain all my 4 websites and I got $300 in sales from all of my 4 websites.
So I'm losing money. Don't know more what to do now... Any suggestions?

 

[OccultKingdoms]

330 - 600 visitors daily

That's what 1 well-done youtube video gives. Should be a lot more with efforts described.

Don't know more what to do now

Maybe focus on getting traffic from social media and learn Google Ads in the meantime.

SEO is quite hard to handle frankly. It's hard to test SEO.

On social media you can test everything bit by bit.

Change one variable at a time and see what happens.

Learn on very small amounts, like 1 video / 1 ad at a time. Don't throw 1000 bucks for a campaign. Limit the spending to $5 a day.
It's not a casino where higher bets get you more.

 

[wallacex]

That's what 1 well-done youtube video gives. Should be a lot more with efforts described.


Maybe focus on getting traffic from social media and learn Google Ads in the meantime.

SEO is quite hard to handle frankly. It's hard to test SEO.

On social media you can test everything bit by bit.

Change one variable at a time and see what happens.

Learn on very small amounts, like 1 video / 1 ad at a time. Don't throw 1000 bucks for a campaign. Limit the spending to $5 a day.
It's not a casino where higher bets get you more.

I wondering If I should upgrade the membership to Jr.VIP here and post my smm panel website here. I already sell for 10 months. So maybe I should think in expand my advertising.

 

[OccultKingdoms]

I wondering If I should upgrade the membership to Jr.VIP here and post my smm panel website here. I already sell for 10 months. So maybe I should think in expand my advertising.

Yeah, it's a good idea.

Just make sure you get your text proof-read before you publish a marketplace thread, so you get correct English.

And make a well looking site.

Prove your service works etc.

Find what is your advantage and mention that.

 

[cesinhah]

What are your exact settings.

TLDR: How to test products with a super-tight budget using only bottom-funnel audience?

I'm a self taught affiliate marketer, everything I do, so my settings probably won't be the best. I do brand bidding straight to landing page with a single button disguised as a cookie policy popup, when they click, it goes straight to the product page.
I only do bottom of funnel ads.
I read that the best way is organic traffic, but I have zero knowledge (don't mind learning new stuff). I have JUST started with my blog focused on health and wellness (pretty saturated niche, but it's something that i feeld confortable writing about).

Back to Google Ads, here in brazil, this is how we do it (please feel free to critize, I would love to hear from peers):

I do a research on clickbank using adspyhero, semrush, google keyword planner to see products that have high search volume, relative low CPC, products with non-generic names.

Then i'll create a landing page that it's just a screenshot of the product website with a Cookies Policy pop-up in front, and all buttons lead straight to the original product homepage (clickbank aff link).

On my Ad, all titles, all descriptions, all callouts, all snippet structures, EVERYTHING is related to the OFFER (Buy Now $XX, Free Shipping, 70% Off, save up to $500, 60-days Money Back Guarantee, 6 bottles only $49ea etc).

That's how we were thaught here. The focuse is the bottom of the bottom of the funnel. People who are looking to buy the SPECIFIC product.

And the only way to sell that is doing brand bidding, which 90% of clickbank vendor doesn't allowed, but we do regardless (if we lose affiliation, we create another user and rinse and repeat).

Mind you: Here in brazil, our currency is very weak. The mininum wage here in brazil is $1.16 US DOLLARS, just for context.

Here in brasil, 1 BRL almost equals to 1 USD (compairing prices). But the problem is that we consume a lot of imported goods, like iphone for instances. Imaging paying 6 THOUSAND DOLLARS for an Iphone? That's our reality down here.

I said all that to try to show you that for us, testing a product it's very tricky, because our budget for testing is usualy around the products comission. So if the product pays 120$, that's usually our budget for testing. I know it's wrong.

but based on the fact that we don't have a lot of money and Clickbank it's a must (just for the sake of the argument), what advises can you elaborate?

Thanks.

 

[OccultKingdoms]

On my Ad, all titles, all descriptions, all callouts, all snippet structures, EVERYTHING is related to the OFFER (Buy Now $XX, Free Shipping, 70% Off, save up to $500, 60-days Money Back Guarantee, 6 bottles only $49ea etc).

None of that convinces me to buy your product because the product itself is too expensive.

Ask a random person how much that product is worth, they'll tell you $10 max and only a specific, naive customer will buy it due to curiosity / a belief they might hold for years.

And the only way to sell that is doing brand bidding, which 90% of clickbank vendor doesn't allowed, but we do regardless (if we lose affiliation, we create another user and rinse and repeat).

Absolute statements like that aren't true.

That's not how it works.

I think you can start all over again and forget about whatever you're doing right now.

Find a completely different business process. Think about something very popular like water, food or games. It's easy to sell this. Just put it in front of people on streets.

People are losing with Clickbank even after successes. They're changing offers / advertisers do some weird stuff on clickbank. It's a scam network / MLM business in some way.

Think about black and white thinking influencing your mindset.

 

[perdano]

Use other instagram accounts or work together on niches yoy use from clickband

 

[OccultKingdoms]

The focuse is the bottom of the bottom of the funnel.

This is rare to analyze it in this way. I think you can use more "real language", so things become clear for you.

Speak about it like a 5 year old person. You'll understand it better. Simplify how you think about it.

Don't use jargon cause you're only increasing fatigue with it.

I simply say this:
- Put a good product in front of people who're interested in that product and make money.
Gamers need hacks, people need doctors, programmers need courses, fools need wisdom.

This is ClickBank's average offer reputation. And it's not only from buyer's perspective. It's the same from my (affiliate / businessman) perspective.

 

[mustafajones]

Clickbank converts like trash. They're scamming their own affiliates. Run away!

I tested their offers. I compared it to real products.

Man, it's PURE trash and flows that are impossible to make money with if you're serious.

They're doing everything to steal data of customers you drive to their offers and NOT pay you.

Make a real supplement page instead and drive people to a real lander where you explicitly see what happens.

Once you get control of variables, you get positive returns. Don't let them rob you.

What are your exact settings.

There are 100s of ways you can configure Google Ads.

If you create a retargeting flow, it's easy to make money with it.

Even without it, it's quite easy if you match an offer to keyword well.

If you run Clickbank offers + Google Ads, that's 80% chance you'll lose.

I tested many things and this one is for sure the way to lose.

Control every single step and get 800% chance to win.

I'm telling you, start making real pages and build them yourself. You'll see what I'm talking about. There's so much stuff you don't see when you let an affiliate network control the process.

Advertisers are shaving as hell too. They're complicating flows and stealing cookies of users for retargeting. They do everything to get a cookie and not pay you.

I believe advertisers affiliated with Clickbank have signed some NDA cause it's a common pattern there.

How can something be good for ClickBank. It's disrespectful for customers to send them to ClickBank.

Of course the only way with ClickBank would be to spam videos on YouTube and FB, and IG, and TikTok, but... if you did the same with real offers, you'd be a lot more profitable, not 150% ROI, but 1500% ROI.

You know, believe it or not, I actually agree with this completely. Do Clickbank offers work inside of Facebook? Absolutely. There are millions and millions of dollars being spent on Facebook, even on shitty Clickbank offers. But is this the best thing to do to get the maximum ROI? Absolutely not. You should always run your own offers.


The only caveat I’d add is that I don’t think most people have the skill set to run their own offers. It’s easier said than done. I run my own offers, and I’m sure the poster runs theirs too, but for the average person, the reason Clickbank, Max Bounty, and hundreds of other networks with shitty offers exist is because creating an offer is exponentially harder than running some ads at a 2x ROAS for someone else’s shitty offer.

But again, generally speaking, I absolutely agree. If you have the skill set, and you’re blessed with that skill set to run your own offers, you’re definitely going to see—actually, I’d argue—far higher than a 1,500% ROI. The ROI is massive at that stage. There’s a reason so many shitty offers are running on Clickbank: the original offer owners know that even at a 2x return, it’s very profitable for them. The return is almost infinite because the affiliate is using their own money.

 

[OccultKingdoms]

But again, generally speaking, I absolutely agree. If you have the skill set, and you’re blessed with that skill set to run your own offers, you’re definitely going to see—actually, I’d argue—far higher than a 1,500% ROI. The ROI is massive at that stage. There’s a reason so many shitty offers are running on Clickbank: the original offer owners know that even at a 2x return, it’s very profitable for them. The return is almost infinite because the affiliate is using their own money.

Most people will get depressed or end up dead before they reach that point.

I quit this stuff over and over again.

Right now I picked up 8 niches, just to see most of that is only coming back to me in form of intrusive thoughts, emotions.

When you have more than 1 skill and your "fun age" is gone (you're a grown up adult), you either take things seriously or life mechanics will work against you. For example doing things like that can make one experience a flood of thoughts like "what the f am I doing with my life" with rumination.

And what's important, fighting those thoughts, pushing forward, only makes the situation worse cause those usually tell us what we're doing is not on our level and we can do better than that. It's like being a call center agent who deceives people instead of being a call center agent that does legit business in civilized ways. Simply the awareness is big pain in the ass, whether you accept that or not.

In other words, to me it feels so bad to work with such things that I can't do it.

Many people on this forum complained about offers being trash which then is reflected by their thoughts and emotions (feeling bad / depressed).

Many just switch to more technical niches, but there are tons of traps within tech as well.

You can go back to this once you learn how to setup / configure ads and separate budget just for this purpose calling it "stupid money".

It's quick cash as many say. Not the core thing to do.

Skills aren't hard to get. Get 5 jobs in 3 years, you'll have 20+ skills. Learning skills isn't hard. Make use of all of them. Connect marketing with real estate and you can have a great business running for decades.

Acting in unskillful way is the main cause of depression in socially awkward people. People, for biological reasons, feel bad if they repeat something bad over and over. Feeling bad makes it harder to act, so it seems like we can't do anything (when we feel bad, we confuse our bad state with our situation). Then we start doing even more stupid things. And so it goes until we realize that we are manipulating ourselves.

Simply by doing mediocre stuff, you're tricking yourself into thinking you're a noob, but in fact you can do a lot better, no matter what you think of yourself.

 

[wallacex]

You know, believe it or not, I actually agree with this completely. Do Clickbank offers work inside of Facebook? Absolutely. There are millions and millions of dollars being spent on Facebook, even on shitty Clickbank offers. But is this the best thing to do to get the maximum ROI? Absolutely not. You should always run your own offers.


The only caveat I’d add is that I don’t think most people have the skill set to run their own offers. It’s easier said than done. I run my own offers, and I’m sure the poster runs theirs too, but for the average person, the reason Clickbank, Max Bounty, and hundreds of other networks with shitty offers exist is because creating an offer is exponentially harder than running some ads at a 2x ROAS for someone else’s shitty offer.

But again, generally speaking, I absolutely agree. If you have the skill set, and you’re blessed with that skill set to run your own offers, you’re definitely going to see—actually, I’d argue—far higher than a 1,500% ROI. The ROI is massive at that stage. There’s a reason so many shitty offers are running on Clickbank: the original offer owners know that even at a 2x return, it’s very profitable for them. The return is almost infinite because the affiliate is using their own money.

yes you right. but when you talked about the millions dollars spent in facebook ads and also other paid ads networks, I need to tell that the paid ads nowdays only work in Tier 1 countries (USA, CANADA, UK, AUSTRALIA) only after someone spend more that $300 in any paid ads network will likely see some sales comming in. I already tried more than 60 paid ads platform (social network platforms, native ads, solo ads, banner ads, google ads, Youtube, paid guest posts, classified ads, etc...) and it barely works for affiliate marketing if we invest a less than $200. Even for good offers.

that sucks and I have to expose the reality that seems tuff.
I have a lot of experience in paid ads and things are getting worse and worse..... probably there is too much competitors..

Actually nowdays and in future years only medium class and rich people will have possibilities to invest in paid ads and get success with that.
You understand now why ONLY big investments pay off?.

 

[cryptom0]

yes you right. but when you talked about the millions dollars spent in facebook ads and also other paid ads networks, I need to tell that the paid ads nowdays only work in Tier 1 countries (USA, CANADA, UK, AUSTRALIA) only after someone spend more that $300 in any paid ads network will likely see some sales comming in. I already tried more than 60 paid ads platform (social network platforms, native ads, solo ads, banner ads, google ads, Youtube, paid guest posts, classified ads, etc...) and it barely works for affiliate marketing if we invest a less than $200. Even for good offers.

that sucks and I have to expose the reality that seems tuff.
I have a lot of experience in paid ads and things are getting worse and worse..... probably there is too much competitors..

Actually nowdays and in future years only medium class and rich people will have possibilities to invest in paid ads and get success with that.
You understand now why ONLY big investments pay off?.

" I already tried more than 60 paid ads platform (social network platforms, native ads, solo ads, banner ads, google ads, Youtube, paid guest posts, classified ads, etc...) "

for lead generation that convert to sells what path do you suggest ?

 

[wowthatsher]

It really depends on your audience. For a good growth, Search Engine Optimisation is a great long term strategy, while paid ads gives you a quick, driven results. Also Social media, email marketing, and referrals could drive valuable traffic with respect to your goals.

 

[wallacex]

It really depends on your audience. For a good growth, Search Engine Optimisation is a great long term strategy, while paid ads gives you a quick, driven results. Also Social media, email marketing, and referrals could drive valuable traffic with respect to your goals.

SEO takes months and years and sometimes it never generate lot of sales. in a high lucrative business like health niche or gym classes it can drive profit no more than $500 per month after doing SEO for 3 years...
so SEO IS TOTALLY SHIT!!
FREE traffic drive almost zero profit.

paid ads it's the only way to drive good profit and make people very successful. I dont see any other ways.

" I already tried more than 60 paid ads platform (social network platforms, native ads, solo ads, banner ads, google ads, Youtube, paid guest posts, classified ads, etc...) "

for lead generation that convert to sells what path do you suggest ?

for lead generation only native ads and solo ads work. you can get good solo ads in Udimi and Facebook groups..

 

[wowthatsher]

SEO takes months and years and sometimes it never generate lot of sales. in a high lucrative business like health niche or gym classes it can drive profit no more than $500 per month after doing SEO for 3 years...
so SEO IS TOTALLY SHIT!!
FREE traffic drive almost zero profit.

paid ads it's the only way to drive good profit and make people very successful. I dont see any other ways.

Yes as I said, SEO is a long term strategy, and yeah it doesn’t always bring in much profit, that too in tough areas like health and fitness. I do agree that it could be much disappointing to put in all that work and see little returns in the start. But then some people do succeed with SEO in the long run, yet it’s not a sure thing for everyone.
Rightly said, trying paid ads or other marketing methods could help drive better results faster.

 

[mustafajones]

yes you right. but when you talked about the millions dollars spent in facebook ads and also other paid ads networks, I need to tell that the paid ads nowdays only work in Tier 1 countries (USA, CANADA, UK, AUSTRALIA) only after someone spend more that $300 in any paid ads network will likely see some sales comming in. I already tried more than 60 paid ads platform (social network platforms, native ads, solo ads, banner ads, google ads, Youtube, paid guest posts, classified ads, etc...) and it barely works for affiliate marketing if we invest a less than $200. Even for good offers.

that sucks and I have to expose the reality that seems tuff.
I have a lot of experience in paid ads and things are getting worse and worse..... probably there is too much competitors..

Actually nowdays and in future years only medium class and rich people will have possibilities to invest in paid ads and get success with that.
You understand now why ONLY big investments pay off?.

Seems to be a skills issue son.

 

[cesinhah]

Seems to be a skills issue son.

Does anybody here knows somebody that is LEGITIMATELY successfull only doing SEO? Selling thounsands per month? Because I see almost everybody here saying "paid ads is dead! seo is the heavenly path".... but really? Why nobody do a show case or a case study?