Make money with programming skills

[Karl.K]

Hey I'm curious if there are still good opportunities to make some money as a programmer online if you have very low expectations, like 10$ an hour or so. Or has the globalized market and now the llms destroyed it? Everytime I look into threads where people looking for programmers they're getting flooded. It makes sense that the potential to earn a descent amount for western standards is low when you look at the competition from India for example where 3000$ is probably thirty times the average income.
Is it stupid to think that you can earn a living as online entrepreneur these days without being a genius or building something that feels almost as boring as a normal job due to the repetitiveness and seriousenes required to build a big brand these days? Like from smaller projects here and there without building a strong brand?

 

[apicard]

Hey I'm curious if there are still good opportunities to make some money as a programmer online if you have very low expectations, like 10$ an hour or so. Or has the globalized market and now the llms destroyed it? Everytime I look into threads where people looking for programmers they're getting flooded. It makes sense that the potential to earn a descent amount for western standards is low when you look at the competition from India for example where 3000$ is probably thirty times the average income.
Is it stupid to think that you can earn a living as online entrepreneur these days without being a genius or building something that feels almost as boring as a normal job due to the repetitiveness and seriousenes required to build a big brand these days? Like from smaller projects here and there without building a strong brand?

I will try to answer shortly, there is no place where you get your 10$ per hour for sure, you more likely will be working for 100 hrs and getting a 1000$ at once than getting a pay/per hr. imho

 

[Karl.K]

I will try to answer shortly, there is no place where you get your 10$ per hour for sure, you more likely will be working for 100 hrs and getting a 1000$ at once than getting a pay/per hr. imho

Thank you, that makes sense. I wonder if bhw is a good starting point for that. I'm very interested in the topics of the forum and would love to build something in this area I don't care about money right now but in the long run there should be some potential.

 

[apicard]

It depends, if you just read read read - you will come up with something and start your own thing, it is not that easy, but the main thing - time is the best value you have

 

[ourweb]

Very hard job

 

[GenesisOne]

Learn SAP => big paying clients

 

[Next Press Pro]

It is possible but it takes significant effort. Many projects on Upwork pay $30 - $50 per hour but in order to get the job you need a good portfolio and good reviews. So it might takes a few months of making < $10 hour to generate income above $25+ hour.

 

[jayhoffman390]

What is your experience in programming? How good are your skills?

 

[DJPaulyD]

Hey I'm curious if there are still good opportunities to make some money as a programmer online if you have very low expectations, like 10$ an hour or so. Or has the globalized market and now the llms destroyed it? Everytime I look into threads where people looking for programmers they're getting flooded. It makes sense that the potential to earn a descent amount for western standards is low when you look at the competition from India for example where 3000$ is probably thirty times the average income.
Is it stupid to think that you can earn a living as online entrepreneur these days without being a genius or building something that feels almost as boring as a normal job due to the repetitiveness and seriousenes required to build a big brand these days? Like from smaller projects here and there without building a strong brand?

If you have good skills and you're able to program a software that you can re-sell for $50 - $100 per license you could do quite well

 

[Black Rope]

If you have good skills and you're able to program a software that you can re-sell for $50 - $100 per license you could do quite well

If he make that software he don't need to resell it he can just sell it

 

[Karl.K]

What is your experience in programming? How good are your skills?

Depends, I've studied computer science but quit because of burn out.
My grades in university weren't too bad I did half of a bachelor like 90 ECTS, especially in the things that didn't require practical real world coding, algorithms and math I was good at because I didn't have to learn much for it. Other with the real world coding stuff, sitting there for hours with boring people and no other matter than code is just not for me. After university I did some things for myself, that requried react, django and sql. I made money with a game by predicting market prices from millions of auctions, tracking them over time and across realms (markets) to determine market value of items, and price trends. In that case it was the business side of things that motivated me to code, I don't like coding per se only if it's useful to do something that I like to solve. Even if I make ten times less than with a full time coding job and a fixed salary, I prefer the fun anytime.

 

[Karl.K]

It is possible but it takes significant effort. Many projects on Upwork pay $30 - $50 per hour but in order to get the job you need a good portfolio and good reviews. So it might takes a few months of making < $10 hour to generate income above $25+ hour.

Sounds interesting. I know upwork the good thing about it is that you will have a lot of variety and projects to choose from whats very important for me. But I'm sceptical that someone is able to get a single $ out of it without having years of experience before hand. Need to look into that.

 

[Panther28]

Build 1 MVP. (most valuable project) Not a wp blog that has 10 articles, I mean something that has a purpose, for maybe commercial learning or entertainment, and even if you use WP as the foundation, you can build your own theme and or loads of plugins, then when you finish your MVP, change your linked in to say employed by your website, and then continue building another MVP,and update your cv, to say full time web developer for X (it should look like the time of site commands hours of attention. ) then apply to regularly job applications and continue to build another MVP. I think then you should maybe stop, and maintain them, and keep applying for jobs, full time not just part time as now you'll have the experience.

If you don't feel like using WP, then whatever language or framework would be the same concept. 3 bull eyes are the mark of a good darts player!

 

[Next Press Pro]

Depends, I've studied computer science but quit because of burn out.
My grades in university weren't too bad I did half of a bachelor like 90 ECTS, especially in the things that didn't require practical real world coding, algorithms and math I was good at because I didn't have to learn much for it. Other with the real world coding stuff, sitting there for hours with boring people and no other matter than code is just not for me. After university I did some things for myself, that requried react, django and sql. I made money with a game by predicting market prices from millions of auctions, tracking them over time and across realms (markets) to determine market value of items, and price trends. In that case it was the business side of things that motivated me to code, I don't like coding per se only if it's useful to do something that I like to solve. Even if I make ten times less than with a full time coding job and a fixed salary, I prefer the fun anytime.

I think real world coding experience is more important than good grades (although good grades might be an indication that you have the talent)
You also need to align your skills with what the market is looking to buy so it is not only about skill and smarts but also about how to apply it in the real world based on business needs.
That said, based on your post I think you are more the entrepreneur type. So if you indeed have good coding skills I would suggest to build a business around it and make money from the business (either SaaS product or actual software)
I wish you much luck!

 

[hexagonal]

10$ hour is what I started making years ago.

Go and learn some skills with high demand instead of wasting your time overthinking it. I get many proposals per week on LinkedIn just because of my skills.

 

[Karl.K]

Build 1 MVP. (most valuable project) Not a wp blog that has 10 articles, I mean something that has a purpose, for maybe commercial learning or entertainment, and even if you use WP as the foundation, you can build your own theme and or loads of plugins, then when you finish your MVP, change your linked in to say employed by your website, and then continue building another MVP,and update your cv, to say full time web developer for X (it should look like the time of site commands hours of attention. ) then apply to regularly job applications and continue to build another MVP. I think then you should maybe stop, and maintain them, and keep applying for jobs, full time not just part time as now you'll have the experience.

If you don't feel like using WP, then whatever language or framework would be the same concept. 3 bull eyes are the mark of a good darts player!

That's some very good advice here, thank you very much for that. I've got some project already maybe I should start to work on it again and make it finally a good looking website. As you can see in my last post "I made money with a game by predicting market prices from millions of auctions, tracking them over time and across realms (markets) to determine market value of items, and price trends. In that case it was the business side of things that motivated me to code,"

 

[B3rnieM4doff]

Personally I used to hire programmers from Upwork/Freelancer if i needed to interface with an API or customise some PHP for a website/plugin etc. These days though, I can just get an LLM to do it. True that I have enough understanding of the technologies I work with and an understanding of code structure and logic that allows me to notice and fix potential problems with code provided by LLMS, but where I used to spend maybe $500-$1000 per month on entry level or foreign coders, I can now do myself for the cost of a couple of LLM subscriptions. Same is true for generic blog writers, $50 per article and $1,000 per month in overall content writing costs is now $0. Again I have the skills and drive to ensure the content is quality, futureproofing the content to make sure it's not just pure AI. But basically I think the days of being a generic freelancer dev are fairly saturated. They were already saturated by 1 billion Indians offering work for $3 per hour, which was a great deal and impossible to compete with anywhere where you can't live off $50 per job, but now you have to compete probably with those same guys offering services at $2 and using LLMS themselves best case.

So if you've got coding skills, it's time to get creative. Don't be a code monkey, be a code....artist xD Create. The day of the freelancers with entry level skills are fast being taken over by robots.

 

[Karl.K]

Personally I used to hire programmers from Upwork/Freelancer if i needed to interface with an API or customise some PHP for a website/plugin etc. These days though, I can just get an LLM to do it. True that I have enough understanding of the technologies I work with and an understanding of code structure and logic that allows me to notice and fix potential problems with code provided by LLMS, but where I used to spend maybe $500-$1000 per month on entry level or foreign coders, I can now do myself for the cost of a couple of LLM subscriptions. Same is true for generic blog writers, $50 per article and $1,000 per month in overall content writing costs is now $0. Again I have the skills and drive to ensure the content is quality, futureproofing the content to make sure it's not just pure AI. But basically I think the days of being a generic freelancer dev are fairly saturated. They were already saturated by 1 billion Indians offering work for $3 per hour, which was a great deal and impossible to compete with anywhere where you can't live off $50 per job, but now you have to compete probably with those same guys offering services at $2 and using LLMS themselves best case.

So if you've got coding skills, it's time to get creative. Don't be a code monkey, be a code....artist xD Create. The day of the freelancers with entry level skills are fast being taken over by robots.

Exactly what I have thought. Thank you for being honest. And unfortunately it wont get better, were probably few years away from ai just doing everything so it's probably the best to go directly into ai development.

So if you've got coding skills, it's time to get creative. Don't be a code monkey, be a code....artist xD Create. The day of the freelancers with entry level skills are fast being taken over by robots.

Yes, so true. But then we should ask us what are all these people still doing in high paid jobs, why haven't they been layd off yet? We all know what average joes are capable off - not much. I think the next few years will get crazy.

 

[PHPInjected]

Hey I'm curious if there are still good opportunities to make some money as a programmer online if you have very low expectations, like 10$ an hour or so. Or has the globalized market and now the llms destroyed it? Everytime I look into threads where people looking for programmers they're getting flooded. It makes sense that the potential to earn a descent amount for western standards is low when you look at the competition from India for example where 3000$ is probably thirty times the average income.
Is it stupid to think that you can earn a living as online entrepreneur these days without being a genius or building something that feels almost as boring as a normal job due to the repetitiveness and seriousenes required to build a big brand these days? Like from smaller projects here and there without building a strong brand?

Yes. Yes. YES.

There are developers needed for projects every day. Every day that one person comes into the developer/programmer field, there's another person that quits due to imposter syndrome, difficulty or another reason.

The best part about it? You don't need school or even real-world experience to make money in the field.

All of the information is only already. Take this thread for instance: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/just-my-little-tip-on-how-to-learn-python-the-easy-way.1433033/

Now you take what you learn there, and create a portfolio of projects that you work on while learning the language.

Engulf yourself in learning new libraries and frameworks.

Do the same thing with Javascript, HTML/CSS (just to be safe), and frameworks/libraries related to these languages. That will get you started within the C based languages before moving to more difficult languages like objective C, C#, C++, etc.

Exactly what I have thought. Thank you for being honest. And unfortunately it wont get better, were probably few years away from ai just doing everything so it's probably the best to go directly into ai development.

We are. However, exactly how that future will really look is up for debate. Personally, I believe it'll be a prompt engineer/software dev being the project lead who manages the AI and a group of smaller prompt engineers/programmers.

I think that people overhype AI and the jobs that it'll take are low-tier.

 

[BIZZY.]

Hey man it all depends on whether you know how to identify a problem that a lot of people have, and creating a solution for it. You can make a lot of money with SaaS etc. depending on your programming skills. Which programming languages do you work with? Would be great to discuss monetization techniques with a fellow programmer