(Resolved) DISPUTE: @oceanicupshot19 v. @ziogila

[oceanicupshot19]

Proof that the transaction began on BHW: (Submit a link to a post or conversation showing that this issue began on BHW)



Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution: (Submit a screenshot of you informing the other party here)

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/amazon-aws-credit-accounts-5-000-credit-10-000-credit-full-verify-accounts-verified-aws-accounts.1611129/post-17919734

Proof of Contact: (Submit screenshots showing that you have tried every reasonable form of contact such as emails, Skype, support tickets, etc)

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/amazon-aws-credit-accounts-5-000-credit-10-000-credit-full-verify-accounts-verified-aws-accounts.1611129/post-17919734

Summary of Dispute: (In roughly five sentences or less, concisely go over the issue.)

I want to buy $10k aws from op and we did deal for $900. I paid with ltc and op deleted all telegram chat.


Evidence of the Issue: (Post screenshots or video evidence of the issues you encountered with the other party)



I was aware about telegram so i started capturing video while op told me to wait and then he deleted complete chat. Here is video

What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: (State whether you wish to receive a refund or a replacement)

Refund of $900

(Optional) Additional Information: (If you need to go over the issue in more detail, please use this section to describe it)

Op have telegram link on bst thread. I did contact.

Op told me that i chatted with wrong person. What a scam

How i will chat with other person if there is clickable link in sale thread?

If i click on link then i will always chat with right person. I am not searching username

now that user deleted chat and he will continue their scam in BHW

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Dispute Request Approved​

Information For The Accused
@ziogila, you have 24 hours to respond to this disputes thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the dispute starter and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

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[ziogila]

This person is a liar. He did the same for all AWS Credit sellers selling at BHW. Check out the Dispute Thread with Edgarliceaga. He shared the same video there. I made a statement there, he said he was trading with me, but I deleted my chat.

Please watch the video carefully. The video is fake. Mause has been used and you can see it. Also review the video transition, telegram does not have such a screen transition. This man is one of the sellers selling at BHW and the only purpose is to make other sellers look like Scammer. He wants everyone to be removed from this forum one by one. The wallet used is not mine, I can prove it in all my telegram messages. My wallet I sent to hundreds of people is obvious. If you examine this wallet, you will understand that it is a wallet that was created in 2023. My wallet was created in 2020 (or older).

Also @oceanicupshot19's feedbacks are fake. There are some things you need to pay attention to here. He just traded with 2 people and says they're both good seller. These are @Gaitonde and @Techkat. Techkat had already acknowledged that he was a multi member in the previous Dispute. Gaitonde is the other member of Techkat. Gaitonde sent me a payment once through Binance. Binance user name was "NCloud". NCloud is a user removed from BHW. I've reported Gaitonde many times to examine it.

The sales amount here seems to be $ 900, but my sales price is $ 1200, I do not have such a big discount for anyone. I also recommend you to investigate, the sales amounts mentioned are thousands of dollars. I've been doing this for a long time. If you are satisfied with a seller, you will not call another seller. But @oceanicupshot19 has changed the seller many times. This is a ridiculous thing in itself. I work completely with the people I trade. If he was satisfied with the first two users (@Techkat and @Gaitonde) he made, why did he do business with other vendors? No matter how much you think about this, it's a fake.

The only thing intended here is to scribble the sellers.

I also think that this user is managed by @Gaitonde. Check out Gaitonde's Thread. He said he wanted to take precautions for fake telegram accounts and seems to be "Gaitonde Cloud Solutions". But when you click on the Telegram link, the user appears to be "Gaitonde BHW Cloud Solutions". This is a simple scam made to mislead people. If he really wanted to protect people from the fraudsters, he would have paid attention, but he changed his name.

There is also one more thing I want to say about the video. If the phone he used was the iPhone, the keyboard would be opened when he copied and pasted the user name. Since the keyboard is not opened, I assume that the device is Android (which is not a phone, the mouse trail is in the video). In Android devices, there is a telephone icon next to the user name. There is no icon in this video. This video is fake. Extra, telegram screen transitions on both Android and IOS phones are not like this.

There are more details I want to add. When I clicked on my Telegram user page (it says it is a video), my name had to be a sliding effect because it was long. In addition, the user should have been a chat button and QR code button. The moderator will see them if they control both Android and iOS devices. When you click on my Telegram user page, you should have video call, voice call and three point icons. None of this appears.

When you question the Litecoin wallet it gives, it is written that 87000+ transactions and total 385,000+ LTCs in the last 11 months. If you click on the link, you will reach the query details. This means $ 28.5 million. This wallet is used for another purpose. So, this dispute is completely fake.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/address.dws?ltc1qcp5qp4en5rme26wxzmu8tdu8m8my7f0jxmquar.htm

 

[oceanicupshot19]

his person is a liar. He did the same for all AWS Credit sellers selling at BHW. Check out the Dispute Thread with Edgarliceaga. He shared the same video there. I made a statement there, he said he was trading with me, but I deleted my chat.

yes i posted same video and that is your scam video. The Fact is you did scam with me and one other user (he left feedback on your profile long time ago). Pattern is same do scam and delete telegram.

You are very aware that newbie will not go this far specially if they don't have much proof. But i saved telegram chat video. I am doing that with all users. I have chat video saved .

Please watch the video carefully. The video is fake. Mause has been used and you can see it. Also review the video transition, telegram does not have such a screen transition. This man is one of the sellers selling at BHW and the only purpose is to make other sellers look like Scammer. He wants everyone to be removed from this forum one by one. The wallet used is not mine, I can prove it in all my telegram messages. My wallet I sent to hundreds of people is obvious. If you examine this wallet, you will understand that it is a wallet that was created in 2023. My wallet was created in 2020 (or older).

Yes screenshot fake, video fake everything is fake only you are genuine in this forum. You know webview on android? Check that how telegram running on webview android.

If these screenshot and video can be fake then no one in this forum can proof scam. Then only bhw pm will work. So admin and mod need to ban users of telegram

If i want all aws seller look like scammer then why i left many old aws seller threads and why i left good feedback for others.

You wallet. - You are very aware of doing scam because you ask me my username and after checking you decided to scam and gave fake wallet.

Also @oceanicupshot19's feedbacks are fake. There are some things you need to pay attention to here. He just traded with 2 people and says they're both good seller. These are @Gaitonde and @Techkat. Techkat had already acknowledged that he was a multi member in the previous Dispute. Gaitonde is the other member of Techkat. Gaitonde sent me a payment once through Binance. Binance user name was "NCloud". NCloud is a user removed from BHW. I've reported Gaitonde many times to examine it.

yes all are fake and you are genuine. Techkat also did scam and already left negative feedback long ago to techkat and you. Mod removed your feedback. Techkat feedback is there.

You only want to save yourself from this dispute. You only blaming others. Same pattern techkat did on other thread. Are you and techkat both same?

if some one check deeply then all your feedback is fake. All newbie joined and posted feedback to you and never come online again. this is who you doing scam with other

and don't tell me you don't have own account Jacopo51

The sales amount here seems to be $ 900, but my sales price is $ 1200, I do not have such a big discount for anyone. I also recommend you to investigate, the sales amounts mentioned are thousands of dollars. I've been doing this for a long time. If you are satisfied with a seller, you will not call another seller. But @oceanicupshot19 has changed the seller many times. This is a ridiculous thing in itself. I work completely with the people I trade. If he was satisfied with the first two users (@Techkat and @Gaitonde) he made, why did he do business with other vendors? No matter how much you think about this, it's a fake.

You had a scam report since long and now mod removed that from your profile. I talked with that person and your scam pattern is same.

you only want to scam me so you did for $900. You wont selling me anything only want to scam

your other claim that why i bought from others. Let me ask you one question you are aws seller and you bought from other seller EdgarLiceaga and you both did review exchange? So if you are selling yourself what you bought from others?

https://www.blackhatworld.com/trade/feedback/84110/view

and you both BST seller here so you own have both accounts or you only doing review exchange. So you can buy something from other bst seller same niche and exchange but i can't buy from others right?

If you are selling aws ( i dont know if) then you aware that aws account approve from many regions. I bought usa account, europe account, turkey account. I am testing few things so still looking for more credit accounts. I bought from other seller too but didn't left feedback yet because if i will do you start shitlist those sellers.

I also think that this user is managed by @Gaitonde. Check out Gaitonde's Thread. He said he wanted to take precautions for fake telegram accounts and seems to be "Gaitonde Cloud Solutions". But when you click on the Telegram link, the user appears to be "Gaitonde BHW Cloud Solutions". This is a simple scam made to mislead people. If he really wanted to protect people from the fraudsters, he would have paid attention, but he changed his name.

how this related to your scam

And you know Malaysia have twin towers. Making sense .. no. Then stick about scam.

I feel if i will post in basstrackerbot profile that he is good moderator you start claiming basstrackerbot and me both same,

There is also one more thing I want to say about the video. If the phone he used was the iPhone, the keyboard would be opened when he copied and pasted the user name. Since the keyboard is not opened, I assume that the device is Android (which is not a phone, the mouse trail is in the video). In Android devices, there is a telephone icon next to the user name. There is no icon in this video. This video is fake. Extra, telegram screen transitions on both Android and IOS phones are not like this.

that is webview if you know about.

There are more details I want to add. When I clicked on my Telegram user page (it says it is a video), my name had to be a sliding effect because it was long. In addition, the user should have been a chat button and QR code button. The moderator will see them if they control both Android and iOS devices. When you click on my Telegram user page, you should have video call, voice call and three point icons. None of this appears.

there is hundreds device and configuration over internet and each have different features for telegram.

When you question the Litecoin wallet it gives, it is written that 87000+ transactions and total 385,000+ LTCs in the last 11 months. If you click on the link, you will reach the query details. This means $ 28.5 million. This wallet is used for another purpose. So, this dispute is completely fake.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/address.dws?ltc1qcp5qp4en5rme26wxzmu8tdu8m8my7f0jxmquar.htm

you gave me wallet and i sent on that wallet. Now how i know who own that. May be that is exchange wallet.

Final notes - with arguments this will not reach anywhere. If you have proof please post as i did.

@ziogila please post in one thread. Posting multiple post is again bhw post count rule.

 

[ziogila]

yes i posted same video and that is your scam video. The Fact is you did scam with me and one other user (he left feedback on your profile long time ago). Pattern is same do scam and delete telegram.

You are very aware that newbie will not go this far specially if they don't have much proof. But i saved telegram chat video. I am doing that with all users. I have chat video saved .



Yes screenshot fake, video fake everything is fake only you are genuine in this forum. You know webview on android? Check that how telegram running on webview android.

If these screenshot and video can be fake then no one in this forum can proof scam. Then only bhw pm will work. So admin and mod need to ban users of telegram

If i want all aws seller look like scammer then why i left many old aws seller threads and why i left good feedback for others.

You wallet. - You are very aware of doing scam because you ask me my username and after checking you decided to scam and gave fake wallet.



yes all are fake and you are genuine. Techkat also did scam and already left negative feedback long ago to techkat and you. Mod removed your feedback. Techkat feedback is there.

You only want to save yourself from this dispute. You only blaming others. Same pattern techkat did on other thread. Are you and techkat both same?

if some one check deeply then all your feedback is fake. All newbie joined and posted feedback to you and never come online again. this is who you doing scam with other

and don't tell me you don't have own account Jacopo51



You had a scam report since long and now mod removed that from your profile. I talked with that person and your scam pattern is same.

you only want to scam me so you did for $900. You wont selling me anything only want to scam

your other claim that why i bought from others. Let me ask you one question you are aws seller and you bought from other seller EdgarLiceaga and you both did review exchange? So if you are selling yourself what you bought from others?

https://www.blackhatworld.com/trade/feedback/84110/view

and you both BST seller here so you own have both accounts or you only doing review exchange. So you can buy something from other bst seller same niche and exchange but i can't buy from others right?

If you are selling aws ( i dont know if) then you aware that aws account approve from many regions. I bought usa account, europe account, turkey account. I am testing few things so still looking for more credit accounts. I bought from other seller too but didn't left feedback yet because if i will do you start shitlist those sellers.



how this related to your scam

And you know Malaysia have twin towers. Making sense .. no. Then stick about scam.

I feel if i will post in basstrackerbot profile that he is good moderator you start claiming basstrackerbot and me both same,



that is webview if you know about.



there is hundreds device and configuration over internet and each have different features for telegram.



you gave me wallet and i sent on that wallet. Now how i know who own that. May be that is exchange wallet.

Final notes - with arguments this will not reach anywhere. If you have proof please post as i did.

@ziogila please post in one thread. Posting multiple post is again bhw post count rule.

I explained all the details one by one. We will only wait for the moderator. Also, as a newbie, you have quite a good command of the forum rules, congratulations to you.

 

[misterpuma]

yes i had the same problem with him, made also a dispute about it a few months ago. topic is already deleted, mods believed him. same story as you.

 

[ziogila]

Look, the most important thing you need to pay attention to here is the litecoin address in the fake telegram conversation. if I had a wallet that had taken in more than $22.5 million in total, I would be living a completely different life right now instead of selling here.

 

[Gaitonde]

check my real telegram. stop dispute bro. when i scam you?

 

[oceanicupshot19]

I explained all the details one by one. We will only wait for the moderator. Also, as a newbie, you have quite a good command of the forum rules, congratulations to you.

knowing forum rule is not good?

After many infraction i learn all things.

If video and screenshot can be deny for proof then what proof works?

yes i had the same problem with him, made also a dispute about it a few months ago. topic is already deleted, mods believed him. same story as you.

now @ziogila tell the same. You didn't scam this user. This is what he is doing with newbie. Once he see that is newbie he will scam. As a newbie people will not beleive on you.

Look, the most important thing you need to pay attention to here is the litecoin address in the fake telegram conversation. if I had a wallet that had taken in more than $22.5 million in total, I would be living a completely different life right now instead of selling here.

You gave me address and i sent on that address. No this is not my concern who have that address. P2p Traders, money exchagne, exchanger i dont care. All i care is money which i sent to you.

check my real telegram. stop dispute bro. when i scam you?

ziogila is only trying to make story so mod will see other story and he will run.

 

[ziogila]

Shut up now, they'll review the video. If you're a man who can give more than $2000 to an aws account, can't you get yourself a phone? Shut up now! I'm tired of your lies. Give the moders time for review and don't take my time more

 

[oceanicupshot19]

your other claim that why i bought from others. Let me ask you one question you are aws seller and you bought from other seller EdgarLiceaga and you both did review exchange? So if you are selling yourself what you bought from others?

https://www.blackhatworld.com/trade/feedback/84110/view

and you both BST seller here so you own have both accounts or you only doing review exchange. So you can buy something from other bst seller same niche and exchange but i can't buy from others right?

why are you silent on this comment?

yes i had the same problem with him, made also a dispute about it a few months ago. topic is already deleted, mods believed him. same story as you.

why silent on this?

If you're a man who can give more than $2000 to an aws account, can't you get yourself a phone?

is that matter if i use telegram on webview on tablets?

Shut up now,

I am sure this is rule break

Shut up now! I'm tired of your lies. Give the moders time for review and don't take my time more

is this allowed to insult member in public?

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Ok gonna need time to look all this over, so I'm gonna need both of you to leave it here for now. No further comments from either of you for now.

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Gonna side with the buyer here.

@ziogila has to refund @oceanicupshot19 his $900 in the next 24 hours.

This is 3 disputes you've been in now and between that nonsense with the fake accounts you're lucky your account hasn't already been banned. Who gets into 3 disputes?

 

[ziogila]

Gonna side with the buyer here.

@ziogila has to refund @oceanicupshot19 his $900 in the next 24 hours.

This is 3 disputes you've been in now and between that nonsense with the fake accounts you're lucky your account hasn't already been banned. Who gets into 3 disputes?

What????? He never sent a payment to that inn. Those telegram correspondence is completely fake. Please check the wallet number. He claims to belong to me, but that wallet has earned $25 million in the last 10 months. It has been paid 90,000 times in total. How is this possible?????

 

[AlwaysAlan]

What????? He never sent a payment to that inn. Those telegram correspondence is completely fake. Please check the wallet number. He claims to belong to me, but that wallet has earned $25 million in the last 10 months. It has been paid 90,000 times in total. How is this possible?????

I made my ruling.

24 hours. Quit arguing.

 

[ziogila]

I don't have enough money to pay. I want to give an account of 10k credit. Please understand this. Your decision is completely wrong, but I don't want my membership to be disabled either. Try to understand me too.

I made my ruling.

24 hours. Quit arguing.

 

[AlwaysAlan]

I don't have enough money to pay. I want to give an account of 10k credit. Please understand this. Your decision is completely wrong, but I don't want my membership to be disabled either. Try to understand me too.

Each time you comment and it's not about the refund to your customer I'm taking 4 hours off.

20 hours now.

 

[oceanicupshot19]

user asked me wallet address via pm

here is my usdt trc20

TSL9S2QmFUnFnznYgjTuLVFvGxo6PyM6XM

and here is ltc

ltc1qetr3cj0038nr3x0jjd7n5wmh6j5xflef77ds68

 

[ziogila]

user asked me wallet address via pm

here is my usdt trc20

TSL9S2QmFUnFnznYgjTuLVFvGxo6PyM6XM

and here is ltc

ltc1qetr3cj0038nr3x0jjd7n5wmh6j5xflef77ds68

I want to send money to the wallet he told me he paid, but he doesn't accept it. The wallet is still active but denies it

 

[oceanicupshot19]

I want to send money to the wallet he told me he paid, but he doesn't accept it. The wallet is still active but denies it

i am using exchange for Conversion so how can i give same wallet