AMA X (Twitter)

[Taehyun]

Please dont stear peeps in to a direction that wont help them.

@Taehyun its just a purge, nothing we can do about it...

@anup999 question is, what you are trying to do? Most of the bots on the market are by people who don't understand how twitter really works but they just went out and made bots to make some money on em.

so what are we supposed to do since we keep getting suspended.
still now this purge doesnt stop

 

[BiggusD1ckus]

Please dont stear peeps in to a direction that wont help them.

@Taehyun its just a purge, nothing we can do about it...

@anup999 question is, what you are trying to do? Most of the bots on the market are by people who don't understand how twitter really works but they just went out and made bots to make some money on em.

I will stear people where I want to (and one potential proxy client lost. Manners maketh the man)

 

[FatBee]

I will stear people where I want to (and one potential proxy client lost. Manners maketh the man)

So you would throw people in browser automation which is completely unneeded for twitter and way more platforms just cause you think its right while someone doing it for years says its not needed.

Good, I rather have your ego off my services.

 

[Kimonos]

@FatBee and whoever interested in botting anything

This post was originally asking a few questions but slowly turned into a adderall enduced conspiracy theory rant on the business relations of SMM Panel resellers and actual botters. The questions I'm most interested about if you'd like to skip the rant are boldened
My rant isnt a source of truth but I would love to get yours or anyone's thoughts on my conceptual model of how botting works


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I appreciate you opensourcing the projects you posted on freebies, i've spent a lil time glancing over them and comparing it with the projects twitter-api-client and twikit.

1. ) Firstly, are libraries like twitter-api-client or twikit doing what you would call "reverse-engineering"? Your calls +/- some HEADER differences are identical

On the HEADER differences,

1.1 ) You used a more realistic "referrer", i.e others used a catch all "{twitter_url}" while you used "{twitter_url}/settings/profile" when updating profile info. Was this difference figured out by trial and error or just a best guess?

1.2 ) How do you choose a user_agent? I understand the goal is to blend in with the majority? But are some versions or softwares easier / harder to detect?


When you buy likes/followers/etc. from a botter, I imagine they just have a large homogeneous group of bots they'll throw at your account and then keep recycling them for future customers. Inevitably from overuse these accounts get banned and their interactions erased.

2. ) Is there a sustainable way to recycle an account, or, no matter the prevention's taken to look like a real account, its just prolonging the inevitable ban? Whats the longest a botting accounts lasted while actively botting?

If you created an account then (no warmup) followed one MAIN account, (from my limited experience) that follow goes through

If you create a million accounts and (no warmup) they all follow that one MAIN account, I cant imagine that works and the bots get banned or put on a watch list. (Does it go through?). So its not the individual bots actions that get it banned but rather the event of an account getting a million followers, that raising a red flag getting the MAIN account banned. Then indirectly they link all these new accounts to the MAIN account and punish them.

Now if you gave a million real people $100 to follow your MAIN account, do you think that'd go through? In the case you get banned i doubt the same situation with the new accounts happened where they get banned rather they get a -1 on their social trust score and still be fine.

Now if you create a million accounts (warm them up) by interacting with posts and stuff, they'll increase their social trust score a little. Lets say this warmed up accounts have a social trust score = 10 while a real person account trust score = 100 or something. Same Event happens, they all follow MAIN account, does MAIN account get banned/punished? I assume yes. So now all these warmed up accounts get a -1 to their social trust score.

Lets go back to a botter SMM panel. They have these million accounts, and besides having them perform random actions ( (+) social media trust ), their trust scores probably trending down.

Would it not be better (in terms of avoiding bans) to retire accounts after usage to set their interactions in stone?
This relies on the assumption that a bots interactions get erased when it gets banned, do they:
-

The alternative is to constantly throw more bots into the pool to replace the banned ones.
Its kinda like the gambling game CRASH where you have to pick when to cashout with the risk it could crash at any point. The main difference being CRASH follows an exponential curve while a bot accounts value is probably fairly linear or slightly exponential (figuratively) since a older account might have higher trust score whose likes may be worth more to the algorithm (that's an interesting thought, if all likes are equal to the algorithm). If I was a SMM panel owner its in their economic interest to not provide this service (assuming they do solely NO REFILL, per interaction charging) while a reseller, who to be more consumer facing friendly, would offer REFILLs and then have to keep buying new interactions from a botter while they trash the account. I wonder if a botter intentionally tries to get accounts banned after a week or 2 in order to force resellers to rebuy to fulfill their REFILL orders. Ofcourse this cost is probably passed down to the customer but from my time browsing some SMM panel posts its not uncommon to see complaints about REFILLs not being honored / having to go through support

 

[FatBee]

@FatBee and whoever interested in botting anything

This post was originally asking a few questions but slowly turned into a adderall enduced conspiracy theory rant on the business relations of SMM Panel resellers and actual botters. The questions I'm most interested about if you'd like to skip the rant are boldened
My rant isnt a source of truth but I would love to get yours or anyone's thoughts on my conceptual model of how botting works


...

I appreciate you opensourcing the projects you posted on freebies, i've spent a lil time glancing over them and comparing it with the projects twitter-api-client and twikit.

1. ) Firstly, are libraries like twitter-api-client or twikit doing what you would call "reverse-engineering"? Your calls +/- some HEADER differences are identical

On the HEADER differences,

1.1 ) You used a more realistic "referrer", i.e others used a catch all "{twitter_url}" while you used "{twitter_url}/settings/profile" when updating profile info. Was this difference figured out by trial and error or just a best guess?

1.2 ) How do you choose a user_agent? I understand the goal is to blend in with the majority? But are some versions or softwares easier / harder to detect?


When you buy likes/followers/etc. from a botter, I imagine they just have a large homogeneous group of bots they'll throw at your account and then keep recycling them for future customers. Inevitably from overuse these accounts get banned and their interactions erased.

2. ) Is there a sustainable way to recycle an account, or, no matter the prevention's taken to look like a real account, its just prolonging the inevitable ban? Whats the longest a botting accounts lasted while actively botting?

If you created an account then (no warmup) followed one MAIN account, (from my limited experience) that follow goes through

If you create a million accounts and (no warmup) they all follow that one MAIN account, I cant imagine that works and the bots get banned or put on a watch list. (Does it go through?). So its not the individual bots actions that get it banned but rather the event of an account getting a million followers, that raising a red flag getting the MAIN account banned. Then indirectly they link all these new accounts to the MAIN account and punish them.

Now if you gave a million real people $100 to follow your MAIN account, do you think that'd go through? In the case you get banned i doubt the same situation with the new accounts happened where they get banned rather they get a -1 on their social trust score and still be fine.

Now if you create a million accounts (warm them up) by interacting with posts and stuff, they'll increase their social trust score a little. Lets say this warmed up accounts have a social trust score = 10 while a real person account trust score = 100 or something. Same Event happens, they all follow MAIN account, does MAIN account get banned/punished? I assume yes. So now all these warmed up accounts get a -1 to their social trust score.

Lets go back to a botter SMM panel. They have these million accounts, and besides having them perform random actions ( (+) social media trust ), their trust scores probably trending down.

Would it not be better (in terms of avoiding bans) to retire accounts after usage to set their interactions in stone?
This relies on the assumption that a bots interactions get erased when it gets banned, do they:
-

The alternative is to constantly throw more bots into the pool to replace the banned ones.
Its kinda like the gambling game CRASH where you have to pick when to cashout with the risk it could crash at any point. The main difference being CRASH follows an exponential curve while a bot accounts value is probably fairly linear or slightly exponential (figuratively) since a older account might have higher trust score whose likes may be worth more to the algorithm (that's an interesting thought, if all likes are equal to the algorithm). If I was a SMM panel owner its in their economic interest to not provide this service (assuming they do solely NO REFILL, per interaction charging) while a reseller, who to be more consumer facing friendly, would offer REFILLs and then have to keep buying new interactions from a botter while they trash the account. I wonder if a botter intentionally tries to get accounts banned after a week or 2 in order to force resellers to rebuy to fulfill their REFILL orders. Ofcourse this cost is probably passed down to the customer but from my time browsing some SMM panel posts its not uncommon to see complaints about REFILLs not being honored / having to go through support

1. Making LIB for me was never an option cause I literally have dedicated tool for anything I need to do, and twitter requests are so easy that I can do it in the sleep, so I'm heavily against libs. Also, most of the lib devs are clueless what they are doing, they just do it for whatever reason.
- They don't care about headers, if its latest UA, has ct0 present you are good to go.
- in several places I do have some extra headers mainly cause I was lazy when those small tools were done or I was leaking something while its being hidden. x.com/x/status/id was leaked by me months ago (used as bypass for spam)

2. Bans are almost unavoidable, they will happen at some point, it can run for 1 day or 1 year.

SMM and twitter is funny topic, and I wont go in to it cause most likely ill trigger at least 101% of the smm owners here...

I might skip some stuff and haven't answered EVERYTHING, but my processing power atm is kinda -3, cause fluu is killing me.

 

[nathenby]

So in your opinion if u want to grow nsfw account to did the classic "fuc* it sending nudes to everyone who... "

How would you do it?


Reading this I think the best option it's to join rt groups, and for the initial followers do follow/unfollow? And, should I bot the follow/unfollow thing?


Pls give me your best tips, also if someone want to share info add me on discord: makoto itou

 

[rejja]

i'm involved in a crypto project and we are doing RAIDS on X. Can you give me some recommendations abut succesful RAIDS? Thank you very much

 

[FatBee]

i'm involved in a crypto project and we are doing RAIDS on X. Can you give me some recommendations abut succesful RAIDS? Thank you very much

Raids?

We are kinda talking botting here..

 

[rodmarb2b]

Hi mate,
What is the difference between working with aged PVA accs and cracked accs?
Are some stronger than the others?
Cracked do not need to be warmed up?
Tell me about cracked accs, please.
Thanks in advance.

 

[XunXgOdXlY]

I get bans when I do follow/like actions. Not many but 1-2% of the active accounts daily. It doesnt stop. Have not found the cause. Might be captcha solving, maybe the bot itself that is detected with the way it works. Inhuman behaviour....I use DC proxies. Used to run 4k+ accounts. During the purge in April lost 70% of accounts. Now accounts only fall when I run actions.

Anyone here wanna join a mastermind group?
Doing this since 2016...I will not stop now

Together we will win

Id love to join your group. I was making $2k-3k a day on twitter for about 3 months straight in 2019.

 

[XunXgOdXlY]

I get bans when I do follow/like actions. Not many but 1-2% of the active accounts daily. It doesnt stop. Have not found the cause. Might be captcha solving, maybe the bot itself that is detected with the way it works. Inhuman behaviour....I use DC proxies. Used to run 4k+ accounts. During the purge in April lost 70% of accounts. Now accounts only fall when I run actions.

Anyone here wanna join a mastermind group?
Doing this since 2016...I will not stop now

Together we will win

What kind of accounts do you buy aged ones or new ones? Do you use twitter blue premium at all? If so have you noticed a difference in reach or ability to end up on the For you page? Do you use the twitter dub bot?

 

[XunXgOdXlY]

@FatBee So the age of the account matters but not the activity?

Im using some aged accounts that I bought over a year ago and they just sat inactive.

I just started using them and none of the tweets are showing up in the twitter search results.

Is twitter dub still a good bot to use?

How do you end up on the For You page? It used to be so easy. What does twitter look for? Does seem like retweets matter as much anymore.

My biggest question, do you have to have twitter premium blue to end up on the for you page and does it make a big difference with reach capabilities? I think its a requirement tbh mainly because twitter wants people to pay for premium and they incentive it by making it more likely to end up on the for you page. I almost never see any accounts without a blue checkmark on my for you page.

 

[rejja]

Raids?

We are kinda talking botting here..

What kind of Botting?? I reply someone's post, after that I ask the tg members to comment,like my post...that is Botting???

 

[XunXgOdXlY]

bump

 

[rulez05]

I read something interesting you mentioned about Twitter not caring about IP addresses when using the API.

1. You said you use thousands of accounts on the same IP (depending on what you're doing). Can you be more specific about which activities Twitter allows for running 1,000 accounts on a single IP? Feel free to PM me if this is not something to discuss publicly.
2. How do you register your thousands of Twitter accounts?

 

[BaltVM]

Hey,

Thanks for all your answers - super helpful.

I would love to get a better understanding of how BH PPC advertising works on X? Is that something that's still doable and if yes - how do you go about it?

 

[laundrymachine]

aye someone point me in the right direction as to where to research more about twitter automation. Feel like a lot of the sources are outdated since Elon switched it up on us