Need advice for setting up a big mobile proxy farm

[Bers666]

have you managed to dig deep enough to find source of these Chinese proxies

not really. The report can be googled, "Resident Evil_ Understanding Residential IP Proxy as a Dark Service _ IEEE Conference Publication _ IEEE Xplore.pdf"
Funny, that many resi providers claim that IP's are "sourced ethically". Which I doubt.

 

[lucky.sparks]

You are suggeting a fob from 2013. ZTE dosent even make it anymore.

Yes because:
- Cheap
- Reliable
- Accessible

Only in your head newest hardware is what makes the difference. Thats why you had 0 sales.

There are atleast 10 other fobs that cost just a little more that are light-years more usable and manipulatable feom a command line than this fob sill ever be.

Name them, including links to sources. Don't avoid doing it by claiming it's your secret. My dongles are fully manageable from the terminal too.

You may just be close to a tower to get the speeds. But it won't last long, these fobs are phasing out.

Don't blindly assume things if you want to look somewhat professional.

I kinda love the fact you are arguing with a cellular master and a master vendore for cellular about this stuff. Your knowledge is light-years away from where the industry has you, and where you could be.

Till now I haven't seen anything that would stand up to those claims, actually quite the opposite.

Iv consulted with proxdize, non disclosure and all. Iv worked with 2 other major proxy service providers I wont even name.

And how exactly that should impress people here?

I get nothing at this point from talking to you. But I want to be honest about my journey to others so they don't get hoodwinked into this like I did. It didn't sell, it cost $700 a 20 fob rig. It generated $0 dollars in over a years pushing it. That may be because we don't wanna deal with nickel and dime bags like you guys do. But it's more about passive to us.

You get off from this mentally, in a weird and twisted way. No other explanation as why you keep pushing your narrative so strong, especially when it's so subjective and biased.

I have contracts with every major usa cellular company and some in south america. I do much better providing internet than I have ever done doing this.

But then why this even bothers you?

But I think your post is more about your ego, and less about facts and curent techniques.

How much real life facts have you shown till now, I've listed real hardware specs, real tests, real results.

I'm assuming you probably don't get your lines very cheap at all and are a bit mad about what I pay. Hell of course be whatever. But again, Im Not hear to help you, I'm hear to tell my story so other people know the truth about mobile proxy farms. Atleast our experince, that's what matters.

I don't do business in US right now. Once I will have location host, I will start doing so. My estimate is renting 1k modems in period if 3-4 months. You know how I built my estimate? From experience in this business in last 2 years.

It is kinda funny you still use thet old ass fob though.

And you will find it more funny that I make money. I built my setup to serve client needs, you built yours to boost your ego about having the best stuff.

not really. The report can be googled, "Resident Evil_ Understanding Residential IP Proxy as a Dark Service _ IEEE Conference Publication _ IEEE Xplore.pdf"
Funny, that many resi providers claim that IP's are "sourced ethically". Which I doubt.

Yes, and the reselling is happening even on 3-4 levels haha. There are couple of them who really sources them ethically(at least partially), e.g. services like honeygain, iproyal pawns, packetstream and some others.

 

[SiliconHF]

Just read everything and, personally, I agree with @lucky.sparks

My experience in this sphere is limited, however, me and my business partner have wasted tens of thousands of dollars buying hundreds of ZTE dongles and configuring them with 4b pi's.

Cheap, reliable, & accessible is the correct formula.

@tattooturn, I think you need to be a bit more mature.

 

[lucky.sparks]

My experience in this sphere is limited

From what I've seen and heard, you are too humble.

 

[tattooturn]

Yah, agree with this. I can tipple or even quadruple your income cutting your cost on lines, expanding networks and he was a ass, and that's why I refused to work with him when he asked. He said I could use someone like you, offerd me work.

Think about that for a minute.....

3 to 4 times you'r currently profit. Your ego lost you money on your current Nickel and dime business.

 

[iproxyonline]

Why is high clock speed required? For encryption purposes between server/client when using socks? Dunno, I doubt that it's that important, for running something custom as shadowsocks that could benefit but for 3proxy I would say more threads would be more beneficial, no?

Yep, cores are important (by the way, physical cores, not hyper-threading). But clock speed is super important too. We've seen this in action time and again. Its about balance — choosing both cores and clock speed.

Why does clock speed matter? Putting it simply (and I mean very simply), the job of 3proxy is basically moving data from one place to another, then onto a third, and so on. Each act of moving data takes up one cycle of clock speed. And the more cycles you have available (meaning the higher the clock speed), the faster you can move data, which means a faster proxy connection. Of course, speed depends on more than just that. But it's one of the factors. It's also useful for encryption, but as you see, not just for that.

 

[robburn30]

Has anyone had sims band because the provider has found out your using them as proxies? Just curious for 2 reasons, 1 I've found a good deal on sims but high upfront cost, 2 noticed alot are stating if we find out your using them for automated blah blah we'll terminate the sim with no refund?

 

[derregenrennt]

@lucky.sparks

Have you by chance ever tried working with M.2 modules directly? I've been able to find modules that come attached with a usb adapter and offer cat9 lte for <20usd. Not sure if it's worth the headache though?

 

[Bers666]

modules that come attached with a usb adapter and offer cat9 lte for <20usd.

What are them?

 

[lucky.sparks]

Why does clock speed matter? Putting it simply (and I mean very simply), the job of 3proxy is basically moving data from one place to another, then onto a third, and so on. Each act of moving data takes up one cycle of clock speed. And the more cycles you have available (meaning the higher the clock speed), the faster you can move data, which means a faster proxy connection. Of course, speed depends on more than just that. But it's one of the factors. It's also useful for encryption, but as you see, not just for that.

Do you have testing data available between let's say 2.0 and 3.8 quad-core CPU of approx same year to show how much does it affect speed in real-life scenario?

Because by what I see, CPU isn't the bottleneck at all, I do run a relatively new Core i5-12500 with a base frequency of 3.0 and then I have Odroid XU4 with old and now discontinued EXYNOS-5422 which is 2 ghz for 4 cores and like something around 1.5 GHz for 4 remaining cores.

So I have tested both setups and they perform same when connected 20 proxy devices per box.

USB and cellular tower is more of a bottleneck than CPU.

Or latency between client/entry node/exit node. By optimizing those instead of worrying about CPU, the result is significantly different.

edit: there might be difference in unrealistic scenarios like when stress testing all devices at same time with high load, then yes, I would agree that better CPU makes big difference. but if we go with regular traffic, I would say investing in better traffic routing will give a lot more.

 

[iproxyonline]

Do you have testing data available between let's say 2.0 and 3.8 quad-core CPU of approx same year to show how much does it affect speed in real-life scenario?

Because by what I see, CPU isn't the bottleneck at all, I do run a relatively new Core i5-12500 with a base frequency of 3.0 and then I have Odroid XU4 with old and now discontinued EXYNOS-5422 which is 2 ghz for 4 cores and like something around 1.5 GHz for 4 remaining cores.

So I have tested both setups and they perform same when connected 20 proxy devices per box.

USB and cellular tower is more of a bottleneck than CPU.

Or latency between client/entry node/exit node. By optimizing those instead of worrying about CPU, the result is significantly different.

edit: there might be difference in unrealistic scenarios like when stress testing all devices at same time with high load, then yes, I would agree that better CPU makes big difference. but if we go with regular traffic, I would say investing in better traffic routing will give a lot more.

Totally get you when you say USB and mobile connections take the lead over CPU.

Might be our different experiences come from us at iProxy working with networking devices (and not being able to control their mobile net quality). And USB limits don't really bug us at all. So CPU stuff becomes a big deal. Plus, our server load is way beyond 20 devices. And we've got scraper users on our proxies, pushing the load even higher, so yeah, stress testing is just part of our routine lol.

Since the original poster is thinking about setting up a USB farm, I'd say your insights are super valuable because you're in the USB zone.

But yeah, my two cents about clock speed might also give something to think about, especially for those planning to push their proxies hard, like with scraping and other automations.

 

[lucky.sparks]

Might be our different experiences come from us at iProxy working with networking devices (and not being able to control their mobile net quality). And USB limits don't really bug us at all. So CPU stuff becomes a big deal. Plus, our server load is way beyond 20 devices.

Sorry for follow-up questions, I mean.. One of my main router servers handles traffic of 500+ USB devices(as entry router) and here are the stats:


This is handling more than 35k connections.

ss -o state established | wc -l
36931

CPU is 14 year old L5640 @ 2.27GHz.

It runs 3proxy and node.js based HTTP proxy relay.

vnstat live reports avg 27-30k p/s, with 200mbits rx and 200mbits tx.

And as we can see from load averages, server isn't practically sleeping but there is no significant load either.

And we've got scraper users on our proxies, pushing the load even higher, so yeah, stress testing is just part of our routine lol.

Question, why scraping is considered something big? If the client is smart and avoids loading static contents over proxied devices, it should not be a problem at all, no? My example I shared above is something of scraping too, static files includes video streams, images and of course other resources.

What do you consider as stress test, what loads you get, what is considered as big load?

Since the original poster is thinking about setting up a USB farm, I'd say your insights are super valuable because you're in the USB zone.
But yeah, my two cents about clock speed might also give something to think about, especially for those planning to push their proxies hard, like with scraping and other automations.

Can you offer some data on why? Like some examples of your loads, connections etc. I'm super curious at this point.


Edit: aaaahh wait, I forgot - you connect your phone proxies via backconnect right? That would explain why you struggle with loads, as because the double lined traffic though phone, if the phone has bad connection it will slow down everything and everyone, including your servers but thats not where high CPU would help with either, even top notch CPU would struggle with enough load placed if there is such bottleneck. no use for AMD EPYC either as it would go bananas anyways and all cores would go full load at one point.

 

[OccultKingdoms]

Listen to this guy above.

 

[derregenrennt]

What are them?

Something like this for example.

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4001...7523339410.4001066330406&gatewayAdapt=glo2deu

 

[drd26]

Yes because:
- Cheap
- Reliable
- Accessible

Only in your head newest hardware is what makes the difference. Thats why you had 0 sales.


Name them, including links to sources. Don't avoid doing it by claiming it's your secret. My dongles are fully manageable from the terminal too.


Don't blindly assume things if you want to look somewhat professional.


Till now I haven't seen anything that would stand up to those claims, actually quite the opposite.


And how exactly that should impress people here?


You get off from this mentally, in a weird and twisted way. No other explanation as why you keep pushing your narrative so strong, especially when it's so subjective and biased.


But then why this even bothers you?


How much real life facts have you shown till now, I've listed real hardware specs, real tests, real results.


I don't do business in US right now. Once I will have location host, I will start doing so. My estimate is renting 1k modems in period if 3-4 months. You know how I built my estimate? From experience in this business in last 2 years.


And you will find it more funny that I make money. I built my setup to serve client needs, you built yours to boost your ego about having the best stuff.


Yes, and the reselling is happening even on 3-4 levels haha. There are couple of them who really sources them ethically(at least partially), e.g. services like honeygain, iproyal pawns, packetstream and some others.

Interesting read for sure, and the knowledge being shared is the gem. Read most of your journey posts and you've made serious growth. Not here to hijack the thread, as I'm looking to set up some proxies for testing. Nonetheless, saw above you said you don't do biz in the US now. Are you interested? If so, hit me up. I'm semi-retired but bored and have a lot of experience in warehousing. Happy to work with someone who wants a real biz that puts in place measures to be safe at the same time. To be clear, I'm not looking for anything sketchy or land me in jail.

 

[Bers666]

Something like this

It's a fibocom l860. It's a bit picky when getting it to work on Linux. I prefer Quectel or Sierra Wireless modules. They show quite good speeds, up to 50mbps and support changing "the numbers" (mobile equipment).

 

[vittorianicolosi1994]

It's a fibocom l860. It's a bit picky when getting it to work on Linux. I prefer Quectel or Sierra Wireless modules. They show quite good speeds, up to 50mbps and support changing "the numbers" (mobile equipment).

Is there and alternative of fibocom l860 and get 50 mbps ?

I want Setting up the proxy directly from OS router on phone itself

I 'LL use cable that connects USB-C to Ethernet

route all traffic through the proxy using iptables on the device

The Question Is i Will get more than 10 mbps?

 

[lucky.sparks]

I want Setting up the proxy directly from OS router on phone itself

I 'LL use cable that connects USB-C to Ethernet

route all traffic through the proxy using iptables on the device

The Question Is i Will get more than 10 mbps?

Yes, there wont be such downgrade of speed so it will work very well.

 

[derregenrennt]

It's a fibocom l860. It's a bit picky when getting it to work on Linux. I prefer Quectel or Sierra Wireless modules. They show quite good speeds, up to 50mbps and support changing "the numbers" (mobile equipment).

Ahh good to know. I was wondering which modules would be the least amount of headache. Could you tell me which modules exactly you are referring to? I assume they are either cat9 or cat16 lte?

 

[lucky.sparks]

I was wondering which modules would be the least amount of headache.

Dongles.

With modules be ready to have headaches.

I mean they do work. But they are annoying sometimes to deal with. As @Bers666 already mentioned here.