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Recently I've been watching so many shitlists which create some mediatism for a few days and than looks like everyone just forgets about it.

No one's talking about sartre anymore and all the people who got fucked who the hell even promoted that guy to Exec anyway, or when crypto boomed and old accounts (bought bhw accounts in third-parties) starting appearing from everywhere with people doing stuff they cant like selling discord dm services after security update for crypto/nft users here or when instagram algo updated and services start appearing or those active sales threads with inflated responses which are more than obvious and still active god knows why.

That's what happen when brand new members can start sales threads or apply for freelancer jobs because they pay a subscription for it.

Everyday I see this brand new members who spam introduction threads to acquire minimum requirements for subscription or just buy marketplace to bypass that like some proxy businesses I've seen around for example.

Yes I do not agree with that forum policy because online business with upfront payments need a trustworthy factor to be considered legit and have a good overall sucess rate.
Anyone can buy a subscription, start a sales thread with vicious result by buying them for a third-party, then when approved attracting costumers with great prices (ofc lmao) when vicious sellers tend to grab as much clients and value as possible bofore shitlists start to appear (sartre case between others).

Online business can only have overall success for both parts if there is a escrow service which translates into that "trustworthy factor" or if the parts are well know members with some kind of respect value which I understand forum ranks kinda, in a way, provide that except some cases like sartre or tommy which had the maximum rank available and still got shitlisted and banned.

Something needs to be done and the 2.0 Marketplace yes will somehow solve that with hold payments until results are showed, however it will not fix other things and I feel that regular users and promitent service buyers, each day it passes, feel that bhw is not as trustworthy as before with all this stuff.

The only way I see this getting better, is by aplying safety measures in terms of marketplace sales threads, increase the sales thread value or whatever, true sellers will not bother because they know the service is good but by increasing the price implement more features to check the service quality and legitimacy and by increasing accounts trustworthy factors for free and paid ranks.

"Oh but it will decrease BHW profitability and bla bla bla" will it? No. And if you think it will apply a fee/royality for each sale in each service in 2.0 marketplace upon escrow service. More services dont equal to more profitability, you need to streamline, adjust the way the service and payments are delivered. We need quality not quantity.

My 2 cents.
 
Recently I've been watching so many shitlists which create some mediatism for a few days and than looks like everyone just forgets about it.

No one's talking about sartre anymore and all the people who got fucked who the hell even promoted that guy to Exec anyway, or when crypto boomed and old accounts (bought bhw accounts in third-parties) starting appearing from everywhere with people doing stuff they cant like selling discord dm services after security update for crypto/nft users here or when instagram algo updated and services start appearing or those active sales threads with inflated responses which are more than obvious and still active god knows why.

That's what happen when brand new members can start sales threads or apply for freelancer jobs because they pay a subscription for it.

Everyday I see this brand new members who spam introduction threads to acquire minimum requirements for subscription or just buy marketplace to bypass that like some proxy businesses I've seen around for example.

Yes I do not agree with that forum policy because online business with upfront payments need a trustworthy factor to be considered legit and have a good overall sucess rate.
Anyone can buy a subscription, start a sales thread with vicious result by buying them for a third-party, then when approved attracting costumers with great prices (ofc lmao) when vicious sellers tend to grab as much clients and value as possible bofore shitlists start to appear (sartre case between others).

Online business can only have overall success for both parts if there is a escrow service which translates into that "trustworthy factor" or if the parts are well know members with some kind of respect value which I understand forum ranks kinda, in a way, provide that except some cases like sartre or tommy which had the maximum rank available and still got shitlisted and banned.

Something needs to be done and the 2.0 Marketplace yes will somehow solve that with hold payments until results are showed, however it will not fix other things and I feel that regular users and promitent service buyers, each day it passes, feel that bhw is not as trustworthy as before with all this stuff.

The only way I see this getting better, is by aplying safety measures in terms of marketplace sales threads, increase the sales thread value or whatever, true sellers will not bother because they know the service is good but by increasing the price implement more features to check the service quality and legitimacy and by increasing accounts trustworthy factors for free and paid ranks.

"Oh but it will decrease BHW profitability and bla bla bla" will it? No. And if you think it will apply a fee/royality for each sale in each service in 2.0 marketplace upon escrow service. More services dont equal to more profitability, you need to streamline, adjust the way the service and payments are delivered. We need quality not quantity.

My 2 cents.
Ye it would help if they added a escrow payment option only so that everyone on the forum has to pay by escrow, as its the only real safest way to pay for stuff.
 
Sartre must be living like a king traveling between Bali, Laos and Vietnam while warming up the next account to scam...anyway, just create a new account, warm up and go back to scamming, there's not much the mods can do about it, his account was old, maybe bought.

There are holes and loopholes in big networks like Facebook or TikTok that have thousands of scammers posing as advertisers and sending an empty box to customers (victims), I don't think this forum would be the exception.

Even if they forbid new members from selling or create bureaucracies and barriers, there will always be crooks scamming or buying old accounts.
 
Sartre must be living like a king traveling between Bali, Laos and Vietnam while warming up the next account to scam...anyway, just create a new account, warm up and go back to scamming, there's not much the mods can do about it, his account was old, maybe bought.

There are holes and loopholes in big networks like Facebook or TikTok that have thousands of scammers posing as advertisers and sending an empty box to customers (victims), I don't think this forum would be the exception.

Even if they forbid new members from selling or create bureaucracies and barriers, there will always be crooks scamming or buying old accounts.
ye ofc they can they can just create escrow as the only way to pay on here then there will less people getting scammed
 
Im new one here ( i have one account 5 years ago but i forgot mail or password .. was nobie then ... with a few post .. im a newbie now ). I dont know if need a escrow or something like that ... im pretty sure need a little bit of strict rules ... 4 people try to scam me already ( one clickadu administrator - one china bullshit software - one wich i buy something 400usd and another try to ripme off for free ) and another who wanna pay in advance... but i check and i see 2-3-4-5 post and its ok for me to know i dont pay upfront and i only buy from jr.vip.
Will be very hard too put escrow here ... most of the service are 3rd parties , example smm panels , pbn and seo package most of them are resellers. maybe at design and hire freelancer will be ok. i dont know its my opinion anyway BTW was greate yesterday its grate today and will be tomorrow.
This is the world ... with good or bad its ours...
 
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All I can say, is that BHW is a forum with a marketplace and NOT a marketplace with a forum. And it is clear that buyers need to to their due diligence. ( https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/avoid-being-scammed-basic-pointers-for-your-security.306301/ / https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-to-avoid-scams.1038381/ )
So, the onus of being a responsible buyer, is on the buyer, as BHW is NOT a marketplace with a forum, BUT, BHW is a forum with a marketplace.
It is nice that BHW does have a https://www.blackhatworld.com/forums/dispute-resolution.31/ system where the mods / staff try their best to solve any unexpected issues.
 
No one's talking about sartre anymore and all the people who got fucked who the hell
What's left to talk about? I believe that every single detail was discussed several times in the dozens of different threads users opened about him.
even promoted that guy to Exec
I think it's safe to say that it took everyone by surprise. No one saw it coming, and blaming the mods for promoting a guy that later went rogue after they promoted is a bit unfair. No one passes psychology tests before they are promoted.
That's what happen when brand new members can start sales threads or apply for freelancer jobs because they pay a subscription for it.
It's up to users to do their own due diligence. You pay upfront with crypto to a seller you've never seen before? You have only yourself to blame.
Yes I do not agree with that forum policy because online business with upfront payments need a trustworthy factor to be considered legit and have a good overall sucess rate.
Don't pay upfront, then.
Anyone can buy a subscription, start a sales thread with vicious result by buying them for a third-party, then when approved attracting costumers with great prices (ofc lmao) when vicious sellers tend to grab as much clients and value as possible bofore shitlists start to appear (sartre case between others).
Again, apply common sense before you spend a lot of money on a service from a seller you never heard about.
Online business can only have overall success for both parts if there is a escrow service which translates into that "trustworthy factor"
Nothing prevents you from using an escrow service. There are even threads that require that.
tommy which had the maximum rank available and still got shitlisted and banned
I don't think there was ever a shitlist against T0mmy.
The only way I see this getting better, is by aplying safety measures in terms of marketplace sales threads, increase the sales thread value or whatever, true sellers will not bother because they know the service is good but by increasing the price implement more features to check the service quality and legitimacy and by increasing accounts trustworthy factors for free and paid ranks.
Again, you can use an escrow service, but always apply common sense before you do business with someone. Does it sound too good to be true? Move on.
 
What's left to talk about? I believe that every single detail was discussed several times in the dozens of different threads users opened about him.

I think it's safe to say that it took everyone by surprise. No one saw it coming, and blaming the mods for promoting a guy that later went rogue after they promoted is a bit unfair. No one passes psychology tests before they are promoted.

It's up to users to do their own due diligence. You pay upfront with crypto to a seller you've never seen before? You have only yourself to blame.

Don't pay upfront, then.

Again, apply common sense before you spend a lot of money on a service from a seller you never heard about.

Nothing prevents you from using an escrow service. There are even threads that require that.

I don't think there was ever a shitlist against T0mmy.

Again, you can use an escrow service, but always apply common sense before you do business with someone. Does it sound too good to be true? Move on.
Amen !
 
What's left to talk about? I believe that every single detail was discussed several times in the dozens of different threads users opened about him.

I think it's safe to say that it took everyone by surprise. No one saw it coming, and blaming the mods for promoting a guy that later went rogue after they promoted is a bit unfair. No one passes psychology tests before they are promoted.

It's up to users to do their own due diligence. You pay upfront with crypto to a seller you've never seen before? You have only yourself to blame.

Don't pay upfront, then.

Again, apply common sense before you spend a lot of money on a service from a seller you never heard about.

Nothing prevents you from using an escrow service. There are even threads that require that.

I don't think there was ever a shitlist against T0mmy.

Again, you can use an escrow service, but always apply common sense before you do business with someone. Does it sound too good to be true? Move on.
mate the obvious solution is to have a escrow for everyone to use only instead of any other kind of payment as its the safest way to go. yes you do your own deligence but it would obviously be the best to make everyone pay with escrow only, that way theres a lot less chance of getting scammed its just a basic fact.
 
Didn’t it take months before some buyers realised Sartre was a fraud? How long do you expect sellers to wait for their money from an escrow when they’ve (presumably) got a business to run?
 
What's left to talk about? I believe that every single detail was discussed several times in the dozens of different threads users opened about him.

I think it's safe to say that it took everyone by surprise. No one saw it coming, and blaming the mods for promoting a guy that later went rogue after they promoted is a bit unfair. No one passes psychology tests before they are promoted.

It's up to users to do their own due diligence. You pay upfront with crypto to a seller you've never seen before? You have only yourself to blame.

Don't pay upfront, then.

Again, apply common sense before you spend a lot of money on a service from a seller you never heard about.

Nothing prevents you from using an escrow service. There are even threads that require that.

I don't think there was ever a shitlist against T0mmy.

Again, you can use an escrow service, but always apply common sense before you do business with someone. Does it sound too good to be true? Move on.
I completely agree with this. BHW is primarily a forum, with the marketplace being just one aspect of it.

Introducing escrow and other features would entail legal obligations and require additional manpower.

Additionally, there are many services that require payment upfront and cannot afford to be paid afterwards, such as SEO services.

However, when you deal with higher amounts, you can always discuss using an escrow service with the seller.

It's important to apply common sense and conduct business like adults. It is unreasonable to expect BHW to act like a parent.
 
mate the obvious solution is to have a escrow for everyone to use only instead of any other kind of payment as its the safest way to go. yes you do your own deligence but it would obviously be the best to make everyone pay with escrow only, that way theres a lot less chance of getting scammed its just a basic fact.
Nothing stops you from using escrow.
You can expect a forum to spoonfeed you common sense or baby you into making secured transactions.
 
I don't think there was ever a shitlist against T0mmy.
Nope, not ones visible anyways. Don't think they delete shitlists either; so nope.
He was banned for a totally different reason.
No one's talking about sartre anymore
Welcome to Earth & how media works...
Look at the people who died in the sub, buzz for a week or two, now it's dead news.
Not sure what anyone would achieve from a continued conversation on speculating what happened to satre or any of the other scammers...
That's just gossip, you seem to want to read gossip
 
Nothing stops you from using escrow.
You can expect a forum to spoonfeed you common sense or baby you into making secured transactions.
what do you mean nothing stops you from using escrow because the forum doesnt even have a escrow, but whats your point the point is that if the forum actually bothered to have this then scams would be alot less and i think a lot of people will be keen to use this as its safer.

Nothing stops you from using escrow.
You can expect a forum to spoonfeed you common sense or baby you into making secured transactions.
the obvious solution is to have escrow as the only way of paying mate that way there will be less scams.
 
It doesn't matter if it's a legit or scam service; a buyer should use secure payment methods such as PayPal to pay the money. In that case, he can rest assured that his money is safe. Scammers are everywhere, so we should adapt ourselves to take measures to protect ourselves from online fraud. That's the easiest solution.
 
It doesn't matter if it's a legit or scam service; a buyer should use secure payment methods such as PayPal to pay the money. In that case, he can rest assured that his money is safe. Scammers are everywhere, so we should adapt ourselves to take measures to protect ourselves from online fraud. That's the easiest solution.
ye thats why you use escrow as well as its safer as well which the forums hasnt bothered to do for some reason
 
BHW is primarily a forum, with the marketplace being just one aspect of it.
Is it? Because does not look like it.
Introducing escrow and other features would entail legal obligations and require additional manpower.
That's why I refered applying a fee (automatic) upon each purchase using escrow, fee to the forum to cover that aditional manpower.
Didn’t take it take months before some buyers realised Sartre was a fraud? How long do you expect sellers to wait for their money from an escrow when they’re got a business to run?
Improve the sales thread approval by implementing a more strict policy.
It's important to apply common sense and conduct business like adults. It is unreasonable to expect BHW to act like a parent.
Agreed. As a parent it should also regulate the best practices to improve the user experience, improving the forum legitimacy is improving user experience.
What's left to talk about? I believe that every single detail was discussed several times in the dozens of different threads users opened about him.
Yes, I has just refering more cases who could had not happen it stricted rules.
Don't pay upfront, then.
Not that simple.
It's up to users to do their own due diligence. You pay upfront with crypto to a seller you've never seen before? You have only yourself to blame.
I'm talking about the majority of payments, cash. For crypto idk how escrow works or if its even implemented but we need to guide this first through the majority of currency and then adapt alternative ones to it.
 
what do you mean nothing stops you from using escrow because the forum doesnt even have a escrow, but whats your point the point is that if the forum actually bothered to have this then scams would be alot less and i think a lot of people will be keen to use this as its safer.
the obvious solution is to have escrow as the only way of paying mate that way there will be less scams.
You can use any escrow service on the planet. It doesn't have to be implemented in the forum in the same way that BHW doesn't have to be connected to a central bank via API so you can wire a BHW seller.
I'm talking about the majority of payments, cash. For crypto idk how escrow works or if its even implemented but we need to guide this first through the majority of currency and then adapt alternative ones to it.
Escrow works like this:
A third party holds the money until the seller shows an agreed upon proof of delivery. Pretty similar to a smart contract.
You can also get scammed using an escrow service, by the way.
 
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