GSA Contact Form Failed Submission Rate Through The Roof?

[nichefoxscout]

New to CFM and GSA

Sending to a mixed list (not targeted) of scraped and collected websites

roughly 3,500,000 website

Set up tracking domains via registrar and Cloudflare as used by @loopline

80-100 public proxies for sending

GSA Captcha Breaker

=

11,000 failed submission/checks
370 succesfull submissions

Does this look like a lot of fails to you?

Other questions:
Will using private proxies increase succesfull sending/checking rate?
Will using Death By Captcha significantly increase success rate?
What other GSA project settings should I look out for?

Also:
Sometimes when I check for websites after they hhave been filtered for not having a contact form, there is clearly a contact form on very common URL path like /contact-us. Is there a way to increase accuracy here?


Happy to keep you posted how things work out with GSA

 

[SERP Tank]

Which proxy provider you're using?

 

[Steptoe]

Your captcha solver is certainly going to be an issue. Most of the captchas you'll encounter on contact forms will be Recaptcha, with GSA CB does not solve. An external captcha solving service or Xevil should up your submission rate. Though I reckon the use of public proxies may also be a hindrance.

 

[nichefoxscout]

Sorry haven't figured out this quote thing feature here yet

@SERP Tank Tank
MPP

@Steptoe
Good point.
I am looking at Death By Captcha currently but will also check out Xevil.
Do you have experience here that you can share?

About proxies:
I forgot to mention that I scraped the public proxies from public websites.
Since my inital post I purchased 60 private proxies and the success rate has risen drastically (See image)
Succesful check rate has also increased.


Next steps:
- Find good captcha service
- Find products to promote (currently promoting ai tools via affiliate links)
- Refine list creation process (scrape 1000 websites as seed list and 100x it with additional scrapes)


Stats since campaign begin:
- 110,000 sends
- 400 affiliate link clicks
- 1 referral


Will keep you updated

 

[Deleted member 657006]

You said
80-100 public proxies for sending

Public proxy don't do any good.
You need private proxy.

Wasting time and profit won't work need private proxy.

Post your message or post your landing page thar might be the problam.

The setup can also effect conversion.

4000 clicks and 1 conversion very bad, tell me landing page or message is bad.

The setup is he reason of submission no private proxy.


To be honest let ai do the email and copy others landers that working thu semrush.

Public proxy are flagged a lot and drop out.

Maybe your skint this might be the best you can do with what you got just fine tune lander and get a good email, you can use bing I think free to do ai.

I no it all money to start, that the way marketing gone.

 

[nichefoxscout]

@redarrow
Thanks for the valuable tipps

Proxies
Already purchased them, increased success rate significantly


Landing page/Domains/Tracking
I set up 5 redirecting domains which also gives the analytics.
I redirect the domains to the landing page supplied by the affiliate program directly, it's widely used program with tested landing page.
It may be that the offer is saturated, we'll see.
I will run it through the entire list since it's also the universal program that almost everyone can use/need and it's a first try for me with GSA.


Message copy
I use 2 longer messages (60 words) and 3 short ones (20 words).
The shorter ones roughly like this:
"Hey with this X you can do Y to get Z in 0 time. Go to: www.awesomeXforZ.com"
The longer ones give a short tipp/template about how to get the most of X for free.
I will post the msgs here soon when at pc.



Oh and the click/sign up rate was 400:1, not 4000
But actually now its 550:1


I will start using captcha service to get increased submission rate and post results

One question that's still bugging:
Am I even using the best GSA settings?


Stay tuned will share results

 

[TechEinstien]

I am also looking to purchase GSA and Xevil.
How much is your cost and earnings?

 

[nichefoxscout]

@TechEinstien

So far:
Earnings: $0
Loss: ~$500

Investments so far:
GSA - $130 ?
Proxies - $100
Scraping tool - $50
Domains: $100 (too much)
Death By Captcha: $30
GSA Captcha Breaker - $100

 

[JasonS]

80-100 public proxies for sending

GSA Captcha Breaker

Public proxies, really? - Use 10 private proxies to run on 100 threads
GSA CB, for contact form submission, really? - Most of the contact forms use reCAPTCHA nowadays and to your surprise, GSA CB can't solve it. So, it's better to use services like CaptchaAI to save the captcha costs. DBC is very expensive as compared to other available options.

Will using private proxies increase succesfull sending/checking rate?
Will using Death By Captcha significantly increase success rate?
What other GSA project settings should I look out for?

1. Yes, it'll significantly increase the success rate, but still it depends on your contact form list quality.
2. Yes, it'll but it's a very expensive option when you're planning to play it on a larger scale.
3. Here are some tips to increase your open rate and clicks:

a) Always use a catchy subject, such as "Hey, I think I'm in love with you!" but in the opening body texts make a big U-turn and say "Don't get me wrong, I'm in love to see you successful"
b) Use unsubscribe link in the footer, it'll most probably bypass the spam filters and will increase the chances of your submission to land in inbox.
c) Never use spam trigger words in your contact subject like "100% off, Affordable, Best price, Discount, Save $, etc.."
d) Make your message sound like you are offering something, and the benefit will all be theirs, NOT yours!

That's it for now. Those were the only quick suggestions came to my mind after reading your questions. I hope that will be helpful to you.

 

[SERP Tank]

@TechEinstien

So far:
Earnings: $0
Loss: ~$500

Investments so far:
GSA - $130 ?
Proxies - $100
Scraping tool - $50
Domains: $100 (too much)
Death By Captcha: $30
GSA Captcha Breaker - $100

Which scraping tool you are talking about?

 

[nichefoxscout]

@SERP Tank
Local Scraper (sorry don't if i can post the name here, can delete if needed)
I use it create seed lists. This is just a nice add-on, the main scraping is done by GSA and some other smaller amounts here and there from lead databases.



@JasonS

Thanks!
Already solved that. Got 60 private proxies, success rate went up

Just got Death by Captcha, so will give it a go and also check out Captcha AI

3. a) Yes, well I think this works best for cold emails where people are scanning their inboxes for new important stuff. I feel like the subject line doesn't have the same weight like in CF marketing. People will open their form inbox messages because they expect a customer request or something amazing because it's their business.

But I get the idea, you want a pattern interrupt...

So here are subject I have been using:

- Is this your website %url%?
- Question: What aeras do you serve?
- Cool hack for %url%
- Free visitors and leads

Happy to get feedback on those!

Analytics will follow

(Messages will be posted too)

b)
That is an interesting idea. It might work but it also gives some questions. How does the spam filter realize that it's an unsubribe link? Is it triggered by a keyword like "Unsubscribe here:" or does the URL have to contain certain words?
This reminds me of email marketing again unsubscribing can be tracked by email providers to verify unsubscribe and sender link have the same origin which is not possible in CF marketing.
Ok well, we'll give it a try and keep you updated.


To do's:
- test captcha services
- review tracking domain analytics
- find best perfoming msg and subject line
- test unsubscribe link to bypass spam filters


I will set up a proper post to report on results.


Thanks for the input everyone

EDIT:
Oh and btw here are current stats:
- 281.000 successful submissions
- 1037 Landing Page views
- 4 Lead sign ups


s.

 

[JasonS]

So here are subject I have been using:

- Is this your website %url%?
- Question: What aeras do you serve?
- Cool hack for %url%
- Free visitors and leads

Happy to get feedback on those!

These are good ones.

That is an interesting idea. It might work but it also gives some questions. How does the spam filter realize that it's an unsubribe link? Is it triggered by a keyword like "Unsubscribe here:" or does the URL have to contain certain words?
This reminds me of email marketing again unsubscribing can be tracked by email providers to verify unsubscribe and sender link have the same origin which is not possible in CF marketing.
Ok well, we'll give it a try and keep you updated.

When the users will not see any way to unsubscribe, then they'll start flagging it as spam. Which will negatively affect your entire campaign. Because spam filters will start detecting the words/links from your email copy and mark it as permanent spam. And by law it is must to include the opt-out link for promotional messages.


CF and email marketing are almost the same and providing an opt-out link is possible in CF marketing.

For example, put this text at the end of your email copy:
If you no longer want to hear from us, click the below link to Unsubscribe/ Opt out.
hxxps://yourxyzdomain.com/?optout=hxxps://recipients-domain-name.com

When the user will click on the link, it'll show the message that you've been unsubscribed successfully.
And the domain names will be saved in your unsubscribed.txt file on your server. Which you can load it in your GSA CB blacklist settings.
NOTE: It needs a little coding to perform this task. Any php coder can get this job done in not more than 10mins.

Another important tip: Never use your own personal business domain for CF marketing, always use url-shorteners (not recommend, especially the commercially available ones) or use churn-n-burn .net or .com domains (recommended) for redirection to your offers and optout link.

 

[Awebus]

Hey what domain, hosting and proxy providers are you using?

 

[pock3tful]

For example, put this text at the end of your email copy:
If you no longer want to hear from us, click the below link to Unsubscribe/ Opt out.
hxxps://yourxyzdomain.com/?optout=hxxps://recipients-domain-name.com

When the user will click on the link, it'll show the message that you've been unsubscribed successfully.
And the domain names will be saved in your unsubscribed.txt file on your server. Which you can load it in your GSA CB blacklist settings.
NOTE: It needs a little coding to perform this task. Any php coder can get this job done in not more than 10mins.

This is interesting. Can you please expand on this one @JasonS - or point us to the right resources?

That'd be very helpful. Thank you.

 

[SERP Tank]

This is interesting. Can you please expand on this one @JasonS - or point us to the right resources?

That'd be very helpful. Thank you.

Check loopline's video. He has a complete tutorial. Channel name maybe contact form marketing or something like that.

Btw, @JasonS thanks a lot for your valuable comments. I learnt a lot from you

 

[pock3tful]

Check loopline's video. He has a complete tutorial. Channel name maybe contact form marketing or something like that.

Btw, @JasonS thanks a lot for your valuable comments. I learnt a lot from you

Are you referring to this video

However, I think he uses wordpress plugins in there.. or it's on his other videos?

 

[SERP Tank]

Are you referring to this video

However, I think he uses wordpress plugins in there.. or it's on his other videos?

It's the easiest way to do that without coding.

 

[pock3tful]

It's the easiest way to do that without coding.

I think it is, correct.

However I already have my existing website on Amazon S3 bucket so thinking it's much better than going Wordpress route which I don't use.

 

[pock3tful]

I am also looking to purchase GSA and Xevil.
How much is your cost and earnings?

Were you able to purchase Xevil?
I'm confuse with how to purchase it as other people's comments said also need to purchase the XEvil 6.0 separately

@nichefoxscout - how's the stats of your campaign so far?

@JasonS - you mentioned CaptchaAI but have you tried using it?
Just registered earlier to test during free trial. But honestly it seems it's not even working at the moment and their live support doesn't even have a single clue on what he's doing.
Thought I'd jump to their paid plan within my first 30 minutes of using their API on GSA WB but I only got frustrated. If only GSA CB are able to handle reCaptchas etc.

Checkout these screenshots for further info:
1)https://prnt.sc/wnjtBe4KYnsq
2)https://prnt.sc/ud8V_mKJUL-O
3)https://prnt.sc/YhghHfnI_JF8
4)https://prnt.sc/w4SyJWSw7sgV (https://ocr.captchaai.com/users/used-threads.php)
5)https://prnt.sc/Gu-Vams30R9m (still even after the live support agent mentioned to check via https://ocr.captchaai.com/users/used-threads.php, the working threads is 0 and solved nothing!)

At the moment I'm thinking of getting XEvil but confuse on how to purchase its latest working version smh

 

[JasonS]

@JasonS - you mentioned CaptchaAI but have you tried using it?
Just registered earlier to test during free trial. But honestly it seems it's not even working at the moment and their live support doesn't even have a single clue on what he's doing.
Thought I'd jump to their paid plan within my first 30 minutes of using their API on GSA WB but I only got frustrated. If only GSA CB are able to handle reCaptchas etc.

They've a BST here as well, try to reach out to them through their sales thread.