[Business Advice] I just fired my oldest client for this reason

roydan

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As some of you know, I have owned a PPC agency for a few years, and before that, I used to do it as a freelancer.

When I launched my agency, I decided that I would never raise prices to old clients as a way for me to thank clients that have been with me for a long time.

Today’s story is about my first client, he has been with me for 10 years, and I just fired him.

We’ve been working together for so long that we have become friends. In the past, he had some rough times, in which I allowed him to postpone payments for a few months and then pay more each month until the “debt” was cleared.
This is obviously not something I like to do with clients, and I have no desire to offer interest-free loans, but it felt like a nice way to help a client in need.

Years have passed since, and his business is in excellent shape. I know that because, as his marketing agency, I had a big role in his success. I don’t say that to complement myself, just to show that I knew the ins and outs of his business, and I made sure that his campaigns reflected his biggest strengths.

Every now and then, he allowed himself to pay me a few days later than he should or “forget” to pay until my accountant reminded him. It annoyed the shit out of me, but it didn’t have a real impact on my cash flow because I never raised his retainer, so he paid what my clients paid 10 years ago.

In the last year, his late payments changed from every now and then to every month. I sent emails and made phone calls but always got the same response: 'You’re right. This was the last time it happened'.

I could’ve put an end to it, but this required me to make a conversation I really didn’t want to make. Sometimes it’s a lot easier to come up with stupid excuses to avoid doing this type of thing.

On January 22nd (in Israel we work Sundays), my accountant told me that we never got paid for December, and asked me what I wanted to do. I asked him to send the regular email, and after the email was sent, I called the client.

I told him that I was very sorry, but I couldn’t work with him anymore. I’d be happy to help him find another agency and promised to instruct the new agency and make sure the handover goes as smoothly as possible. He interviewed a few agencies but didn’t want to hire any of them. In the meanwhile, I handed over the account to his employee, who took over the account.

A month passed, and he called me, asking that I take over the account again.

Now he pays in advance, and he pays my current pricing.

I started writing this post thinking there were only two lessons, but now I realize that there are three:

  1. If I had fired him a year earlier like I originally planned, I’d have had an extra 12 months where he would have paid me a lot more, and in advance.
  2. I could’ve avoided all of that by just communicating better. I should’ve told him when he was late the first time that the next time would be the last.
  3. He could’ve saved a lot of money by just paying on time.
 
Sounds like a valuable experience you had, and it's good that this problem didn't cause you financial troubles. In other "businesses," people have been threatened or hurt for things like this.
Short question off-topic: What niches do you usually do marketing for?
 
Sounds like a valuable experience you had, and it's good that this problem didn't cause you financial troubles. In other "businesses," people have been threatened or hurt for things like this.
Short question off-topic: What niches do you usually do marketing for?
I was lucky to be able to work in many industries, so I'd say I'm pretty comfortable in most niches.
This client has a music school.
 
As some of you know, I have owned a PPC agency for a few years, and before that, I used to do it as a freelancer.

When I launched my agency, I decided that I would never raise prices to old clients as a way for me to thank clients that have been with me for a long time.

Today’s story is about my first client, he has been with me for 10 years, and I just fired him.

We’ve been working together for so long that we have become friends. In the past, he had some rough times, in which I allowed him to postpone payments for a few months and then pay more each month until the “debt” was cleared.
This is obviously not something I like to do with clients, and I have no desire to offer interest-free loans, but it felt like a nice way to help a client in need.

Years have passed since, and his business is in excellent shape. I know that because, as his marketing agency, I had a big role in his success. I don’t say that to complement myself, just to show that I knew the ins and outs of his business, and I made sure that his campaigns reflected his biggest strengths.

Every now and then, he allowed himself to pay me a few days later than he should or “forget” to pay until my accountant reminded him. It annoyed the shit out of me, but it didn’t have a real impact on my cash flow because I never raised his retainer, so he paid what my clients paid 10 years ago.

In the last year, his late payments changed from every now and then to every month. I sent emails and made phone calls but always got the same response: 'You’re right. This was the last time it happened'.

I could’ve put an end to it, but this required me to make a conversation I really didn’t want to make. Sometimes it’s a lot easier to come up with stupid excuses to avoid doing this type of thing.

On January 22nd (in Israel we work Sundays), my accountant told me that we never got paid for December, and asked me what I wanted to do. I asked him to send the regular email, and after the email was sent, I called the client.

I told him that I was very sorry, but I couldn’t work with him anymore. I’d be happy to help him find another agency and promised to instruct the new agency and make sure the handover goes as smoothly as possible. He interviewed a few agencies but didn’t want to hire any of them. In the meanwhile, I handed over the account to his employee, who took over the account.

A month passed, and he called me, asking that I take over the account again.

Now he pays in advance, and he pays my current pricing.

I started writing this post thinking there were only two lessons, but now I realize that there are three:

  1. If I had fired him a year earlier like I originally planned, I’d have had an extra 12 months where he would have paid me a lot more, and in advance.
  2. I could’ve avoided all of that by just communicating better. I should’ve told him when he was late the first time that the next time would be the last.
  3. He could’ve saved a lot of money by just paying on time.
It's good sometimes to fire overly difficult clients. Also good not to get too cosy with clients as it makes financial discussions difficult.
 
Thank you for sharing this experience. May I know if you have a BST of your PPC agency?
Any bst on bhw.
No BST at the moment
It's good sometimes to fire overly difficult clients. Also good not to get too cosy with clients as it makes financial discussions difficult.
That's true, but I think that instead of not being too close and comfortable with clients, I should've drawn the line when it was first crossed.
 
@roydan Thanks a lot for sharing your experience and lessons..

I am setting up my own PPC agency and reading about your experience was a great eye-opening for me.

Something similar happened to an advertising agency for which I work full-time .. In a similar situation my boss made a decision like what you did and now the client is back and paying on time
 
It was very nice of you when you help him out during difficult times, but he is an @ss to keep pushing the boundary when his situation got better.
But anyway, lesson learned, at least not in a hard way.
 
@roydan Thanks a lot for sharing your experience and lessons..

I am setting up my own PPC agency and reading about your experience was a great eye-opening for me.

Something similar happened to an advertising agency for which I work full-time .. In a similar situation my boss made a decision like what you did and now the client is back and paying on time
I'm glad this story helped you.

Agency owners should do this type of move only when they feel like not having this client is better than having him in the current way things are running.

It was very nice of you when you help him out during difficult times, but he is an @ss to keep pushing the boundary when his situation got better.
But anyway, lesson learned, at least not in a hard way.
It's not that he's an ass, because he really isn't. You have to remember that even though it's a short story, it was over a span of 10 years. I understand that he had a trouble finding the point where our friendship stops and our business relationship begins, and I had the exact same problem. If you ask me, his accountant is one of the worst in the industry, which didn't help at all to this situation.
 
It's not that he's an ass, because he really isn't. You have to remember that even though it's a short story, it was over a span of 10 years. I understand that he had a trouble finding the point where our friendship stops and our business relationship begins, and I had the exact same problem. If you ask me, his accountant is one of the worst in the industry, which didn't help at all to this situation.
I know he is your friend and according to you, he might be a decent one but to me, he is still an @ss in this matter, and this matter alone. All of this should be resolved in a much simpler manner if he paid attention to this. This happens over a course of 10 years, not once, not twice but many times.
Anyway, I'm happy that you have sorted this out with him and got a better business deal, friend or not.
 
I have a similar situation with my oldest client as well. They still pay me my old rate from a decade ago, although they always pay late or just straight up forget to pay some months.

In the case of my client, there's no teaching the old dog any new tricks. They don't bug me much and the work I do for them is pretty simple, so they pay the old monthly retainer when they need me, and if they don't pay the next invoice on time, I just simply don't do the work.
 
if they don't pay the next invoice on time, I just simply don't do the work.
That's the reason I switched him to monthly prepayments rather keeping him on net terms. I wanted to be able to do that.
 
Regardless of how close I am to my clients or business partners, I always keep work and personal relationships separate. Terms and agreements, particularly those pertaining to payment, must be followed professionally in all cases. It's the basic thing to develop a partnership in a long run
 
Regardless of how close I am to my clients or business partners, I always keep work and personal relationships separate. Terms and agreements, particularly those pertaining to payment, must be followed professionally in all cases. It's the basic thing to develop a partnership in a long run

This is a a thing I failed here, and that's exactly the reason it was important for me to share it.
 
he's toxic. the same thing, or something worse, will happen again.
it's better to just drop such people and never take them back

I always say money business and friends don’t mix at all.
right! i don't work with friends at all, or do it for free.
in that mix business or friendship suffers, usually both
 
I always say money business and friends don’t mix at all.
I don't work with friends at all, or do it for free.
in that mix business or friendship suffers, usually both
That's all true, but we got closer long after he was already my client. I fire clients I don't enjoy working with, making those I keep more likely to become my friends.

I don't run a cold corporation, and I don't intend to. If a client needs to delay their payment for any reason, I'll probably give them some slack. I obviously made some mistakes in the way I handled this case, because otherwise, I wouldn't write about it.

he's toxic. the same thing, or something worse, will happen again.
it's better to just drop such people and never take them back
I wouldn't call him toxic, but as a way to prevent such things from happening with him in the future, he now pays in advance.
 
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