Dispute: @kevrius v. @RankOn

[kevirus]

The time has come, I never had to create a shitlist but this guy worked hard for it since Sept 2022. I was doing everything I could to avoid it letting go his first scam and even giving a second chance to prove his worth. He failed determinely repeating the same scheme just stealing even more cash. I know you will call me stupid for being tricked twice but I'm just a kind guy who tend to believe in people. Turns out I'm just naive, mr @RankOn scammed me for $878!

• Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution: (Submit a screenshot of you informing the other party here)
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• Proof of Contact:(Submit screenshots showing that you have tried every reasonable form of contact such as emails, Skype, support tickets, etc)
  • The only contact route was Skype because I wasn't allowed to PM anyone here on BHW and simply it was the only one way to talk with him. No website, no clue, no policy, everything relating to a typical scammer.

• Proof of Transaction:(Proof that you purchased the product or service (i.e., a service agreement or an order receipt)
  • 3rd September 2022 - $103
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  • 17th September - $187
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  • 27th September 2022 - $12
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  • 28th December 2022 - $103
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  • 8th January 2023 - $450
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  • 19th January 2023 - $23
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• Summary of Dispute:(In roughly five sentences or less, concisely go over the issue)
  • Please check mandatorily the "Additional information" part below because it's needed to have a proper perspective on all of the scam situations. It's a lot, sorry guys but needed to make sure the scam is clear and you received every single detail and screenshot proving that.
  • In short words - @RankOn scammed me twice offering 100% non drop followers, then delivering poor quality DIY dropping ones. He avoided refunding every possible way trying to trick me, lying to me or pushing sh#tty refills that I didn't request. When he's been shown proofs, statistics and undeniable facts he started to completely ignore the conversation, vanished and never replied back.

• What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: (State whether you wish to receive a refund or a replacement)
  • Full refund of $878 and ban from BHW (confirmed and fully exposed scammer so he's a threat for the rest of our community)

• (Optional) Additional Information: (If you need to go over the issue in more detail, please use this section to describe it)
• Evidence of the Issue:(Post screenshots or video evidence of the issues you encountered with the other party)
  • The scam started here on BHW when he replied to my topic - https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/spotify-playlist-followers-provider-only-reliable-people-no-panels.1433634/post-15579607
  • I was looking for 100% NON DROP Spotify followers underlining precisely this is exactly and only service I want. Lying right into my eyes he assured multiple times this is what I'll get if I'll pay him. Here are the proofs.
  • SCAMMED 1st TIME - September 2022

About 2 weeks after 1st payment I realized all of his followers dropped. Notified him:



After that, we went through a bullshit "refill process" which now I know I shouldn't even allow to. I precisely said I only buy if he confirms his followers are 100% non drop (evidences above). Unfortunately, I decided to be a soft guy believing him it was a technical stuff that he will fix and other lies he fed me with. In the meantime he was notoriously begging me for more orders indicating definitely he's just a poor guy looking for money. I was stupid enough to let it go and try to get along in a good faith that he won't need to return my money. It was the biggest mistake I did, you can laugh, go on.



Here's the evidence he confirms the drops even though he assured me many times they won't happen.

Here's how he tried to blame it for his imaginated friends "tech giants spies on the forum":


After few more days of kindly giving him time and gently asking about the progres, I've been ignored for many days left with ruined playlists and couldn't even count for a stupid refill. As there was no contact with this scammer, I needed to work on my own to rescue his mistakes and rebuild the followers with someone else. I simply requested a refund as he not only delivered me an exact opposite of what I thought I'm paying for but also left my playlists and business dying for many days causing a lot of damage and costs.

THEN facing a refund request, he found another even worse excuse to get away from it. In general (what you will see in his 2nd scam below) he was doing EVERYTHING to just get away of refunding especially trying to push me bullshit that it's BECAUSE OF MY OLD FOLLOWERS... yeah you heard right. everyone working with spotify stuff knows it has absolutely nothing to do and he was just hoping I'm stupid enough to agree because I'm a newbie. nope, I'm the opposite actually.

As you saw above, I already predicted he will continue playing games or using my actions against me so I clearly confirmed:

• I don't want any more refills and if there are any to cancel them (but he didn't even start them as he was ignoring me from many days that time)
• I will be hiring someone else to clean his mess so I absolutely don't allow poor tries of getting away from refunding by quickly adding any other trash followers
• I HIRED other supplier after few days of ignoring even above information so he won't even dare to use this agains me with new stupid excuses

Obviously, he didn't give a single fvck on my request and doubled the followers arrogantly using my followers as his own excuse.

This is how my first experience with ScamOn ended. I could push and insist but I decided my time is not worth it and simply let it go. He got away with my $302...

• SCAMMED 2nd TIME- December 2022 / January 2023
  • Would you believe after stealing $300 he was impertinent enough to contact me again trying make me buy his "new poor stuf" again? Yeah, he was desperate enough to do that because he went out of money again or probably scammed all his other customers now being left with nothing.
  • Again he clearly confirmed that what I'll get would be stable NON DROP followers. At this point I should ask where's my money but I actually was in need with such again (as the other provider was only temporary solution) so I went into details and asked what he improved that he's now 200% sure he sells non dropping ones. He sounded convincing so I gave him the second chance...
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  • EXACTLY the same situation started to happen and it was just few days to start the followers dropping. Informed him again:
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  • Then I knew were in the same sh#t again and what he will be doing now... I'm writing this post since few hours now so will spare you reading triple of that in more screens. The thing is I carefully separated and tracked his followers and mine and was 1000% sure the dropping ones were his again (once more, got other proofs on playlist metrics, dates, timeframes etc if you want to view).
  • He obviously trying to blame it on me but got lost in his lies and excuses saying stuff "it's because an auto refill of your old followers" (wtf if they were dropping, not refilling? haha). He also agreed in the next part of the conversation that HIS followers dropped after I threw all the stats and evidencies unveiling his lies.
  • Then we went into another refill bullsh#t... At this point you must know that I had no other choice than let him do it because I didn't have that much money to hire someone else again (look how much I spen ton him with this new order) and I was left again with ruined playlists that needed to be rescued asap. Of course, exactly as in the 1st scam, he didn't give a sh#t on my request and keep ignoring for days. Then I asked for a refund one more time:
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  • And one more time...
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  • It turned out into an argument as I absolutely lost patience and pointed out every single issue he made me to deal with:
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  • As you can see, I was a good guy till the very, very end. Told him to keep $100 even though he actually should cover all the damages his scam has caused me.
  • This is the last time we talked. Since 30th January he's not even opening the rest of my messages with informing him about shitlist and other steps I'll take to recover my money but intendly ignoring me as he did first time. I guess all is clear to you guys.

In any case, feel free to let me know what else do you need to chase this scammer. Let's keep the community safe from such thieves.

PS. Thanks a lot for your time if you read it all!

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Dispute Request Approved​

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[kevirus]

Dear Mods and everyone watching this thread - Here is the truth behind above lies which are obviously ANOTHER take to avoid refunding:

OP wants the service also wants the Money back

The service I wanted and I clearly stated was: 100% non drop followers. I never wanted and tried to avoid at all costs dropping followers that will need to be refilled which I GOT.
Simple to understand I DON'T WANT THE "SERVICE" (and never wanted) and the only thing I want is TO GET MY MONEY BACK.



Another compromitating thing for him is the fact that when I realized I've been scammed and even the trash he pushed me instead of the service I ordered simply disappeared after 1-2 weeks, instead of refunding me he pushed me more LQ dropping follower refills just to not give my money back. Even when I clearly asked him many times to not do this!!:



I warned you he will be trying to push you an absurd argument that "it's not that he didn't provide any service"...

You must understand disaster can hit anytime when you are dealing with SMM services nobody can actually guarantee 100% non-drop services because the platforms are pushing updates regularly that's the reason there is a refill process if you want to avoid such nonsense don't use SMM services

As you can see on the screens in a main thread (won't copy them here again to spare your eyes) he did guarantee 100% non drop followers EVEN FEW TIMES.

Here's one more that I maybe missed. Take note that I asked multiple times if he's sure and will deliver me only 100% non drops. Unquestionably - HE GUARANTEED THAT:




Also in the first screen above I added a comment to one of his replies when he said exactly the same sentence as qouted here AFTER he took my money and started the order.

I even provided him the service at half the price as he requested me that his budget is low

If 1 is a half of 1.5 then I don't know what calculator he uses. But the thing that horrified me the most in this qoute is that he lies in front of your face that he provided me half price...

A bigger absurd is that at the second chance he offered me the same dropping service for even HIGHER price.



I didn't want to tell him directly that I know he's cheating me now so I said I have lower budget to at least reduce a bit this overpriced amount.

You know, it's simply kind of Black Friday trick:
Normal price during the whole year: $1
Thursday before BF: $1.5
Black Friday: 33% discount! only $1 not $1.5 !

I agree there were drops but OP Playlists already have follower dropping issue before the order and he don't want to admit that which has cause even more drops in followers i even recommended him to use fresh playlist but he won't do that still i keep refilling the drops

OF COURSE I admitted that. And clearly mentioned it before we even started but he took this order anyways



Obviously as I promised I never blamed him for the drops that were on my side. I was strictly supervising this when I gave him the second chance because last time he blamed everything on my old followers which was an absolute BS (yes, have proofs that only his followers dropped at the first chance too) and I wanted to make sure he will no try this excuse again.

Every other spotify provider will tell you followers from one source has absolutely no impact on followers from the other source. It is also pretty much logical - dropping followers will drop but non dropping will stay. If both dropped then nobody had 100% dropping followers in their cart.

Order has been fulfilled yet he still wants to open dispute against me he is planning something
Order Details

If the order would've been fulfilled I would still have my followers. Simple as that. And there's been also enough proofs of who is planning something. A person who promises to deliver one thing then delivers another and tries to avoid refunding at all costs.


Now guys, a final mythbuster that I really hope will close the case. Statistics and proofs of the playlists unveiling the drops and how he tries to trick even you:

1. First example of my playlists that playlists he mentioned:
Start count: 15382
Added: 35000

2. Another random one from the mentioned playlists
Start count: 13321
Added: 18000

etc etc etc....

I value your time dear mods and users so added just 2 screens instead of 50 I should for every single time and every single playlist because as you already understood, exactly same drops appeared everywhere and everytime. I ordered in batches so he added same dropping trash to every playlist and once spotify took down his followers, they dropped on all playlists.

Thank you for your time once more and I hope I didn't take you (that) long. Let's keep the community clean and safe without people like that.

 

[AlwaysAlan]

@RankOn had to removed your post as it had your customer's personal info all over it. You need to be more careful with that in the future.

The way I see it, the followers were non drop and got dropped after ordering. Service isn't as advertised.

@RankOn refund the user's $878.

 

[RankOn]

@RankOn had to removed your post as it had your customer's personal info all over it. You need to be more careful with that in the future.

The way I see it, the followers were non drop and got dropped after ordering. Service isn't as advertised.

@RankOn refund the user's $878.

I did not expect that from you MOD you are clearly taking his side that's the only proof i have of him he nicely crafted all this story
You must have check the links if the orders were fulfilled or not before making any decision

 

[AlwaysAlan]

I did not expect that from you MOD you are clearly taking his side that's the only proof i have of him he nicely crafted all this story
You must have check the links if the orders were fulfilled or not before making any decision

Don't you assume what I've checked and what I haven't. The order was fulfilled by the numbers, but you promised him 100% non-drop. When the followers dropped, they were no longer as advertized. You can't add in random ass stipulations after there's an issue with the order.

Your inability to handle your own customers takes up staff resources man and now you're opening lounge threads. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/dispute-false-allegation.1474032/

Evidence reviewed, decision final. Refund his money in the next 24hrs please.

 

[AlwaysAlan]

@RankOn every private message sent to me or lounge thread you open about this means I'm gonna deduct 6 hours from your 24.

There's a BIG difference between successfully fulfilling an order and just delivering an order and you need to realize that.

If you order food at a restaurant but they fuck up your order, you would be complaining an want a refund. Now imagine if that restaurant were run by you, and you told your customer "sorry the order was delivered, no refund". Wouldn't you be pissed that you didn't get what you paid for?

Understand this and learn from this experience.

 

[RankOn]

@RankOn every private message sent to me or lounge thread you open about this means I'm gonna deduct 6 hours from your 24.

There's a BIG difference between successfully fulfilling an order and just delivering an order and you need to realize that.

If you order food at a restaurant but they fuck up your order, you would be complaining an want a refund. Now imagine if that restaurant were run by you, and you told your customer "sorry the order was delivered, no refund". Wouldn't you be pissed that you didn't get what you paid for?

Understand this and learn from this experience.

This is not a restaurant this is SMM service here we refill if there are drops in the service

 

[AlwaysAlan]

This is not a restaurant this is SMM service here we refill if there are drops in the service

God damn it, it's business. Basic principle: deliver what you advertize.

Quit arguing and PLEASE refund your customer.

 

[RankOn]

God damn it, it's business. Basic principle: deliver what you advertize.

Quit arguing and PLEASE refund your customer.

Why don't you try to understand client already has dropping issue before the order yet i still refill them
If that's the case refund should be done from both sides i also want the expenses back for the resources used

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Why don't you try to understand client already has dropping issue before the order yet i still refill them
If that's the case refund should be done from both sides i also want the expenses back for the resources used

Then you shouldn't have accepted the order or promised they were no drop. You made a business mistake, don't put that back on your customer.

Last time I'm gonna tell you, quit arguing and refund your customer.

 

[RankOn]

Don't you assume what I've checked and what I haven't. The order was fulfilled by the numbers, but you promised him 100% non-drop. When the followers dropped, they were no longer as advertized. You can't add in random ass stipulations after there's an issue with the order.

Your inability to handle your own customers takes up staff resources man and now you're opening lounge threads. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/dispute-false-allegation.1474032/

Evidence reviewed, decision final. Refund his money in the next 24hrs please.

I'm pointing out this cause you are talking about staff resources

 

[AlwaysAlan]

I'm pointing out this cause you are talking about staff resource

Refund your customer.

And while your at it, tend to your other customers.

You've got a whole sinking ship of them telling you that your website has been down for two months. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/y...ube-subscribers-non-drop-cheap.1436414/page-9

I'm talking about staff resources because every minute I have to respond to you or review evidence for these cases could've been a minute I spent approving sales threads with the rest of the team.

You have 18 hours to refund your customer now.

 

[RankOn]

Then you shouldn't have accepted the order or promised they were no drop. You made a business mistake, don't put that back on your customer.

Last time I'm gonna tell you, quit arguing and refund your customer.

My services are non-drop the client has probably bought cheap followers before my services which has cause the drops yet i still refill them try to understand this line

 

[AlwaysAlan]

My services are non-drop the client has probably bought cheap followers before my services which has cause the drops yet i still refill them try to understand this line

He said in the opening thread that he wants a full refund not a refill.

Refund your customer.

 

[RankOn]

He said in the opening thread that he wants a full refund not a refill.

Refund your customer.

The refill was to cover his old followers dropping issues not my service which i did it for free

 

[AlwaysAlan]

The refill was to cover his old followers dropping issues not my service which i did it for free

Good grief, the decision is final.

You know what? Just cause you don't know when to quit, gonna just take a page at of your book and retroactively change the stipulations.

You've got 1 hour to refund your customer

 

[RankOn]

Good grief, the decision is final.

You know what? Just cause you don't know when to quit, gonna just take a page at of your book and retroactively change the stipulations.

You've got 1 hour to refund your customer

You know what i won't mind leaving this forum lately this forum is filled with shit members

Refund your customer.

And while your at it, tend to your other customers.

You've got a whole sinking ship of them telling you that your website has been down for two months. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/ytrankon-com-stable-hq-ultra-fast-youtube-subscribers-non-drop-cheap.1436414/page-9

I'm talking about staff resources because every minute I have to respond to you or review evidence for these cases could've been a minute I spent approving sales threads with the rest of the team.

You have 18 hours to refund your customer now.

Nothing is sinking who knows me values me

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Nothing is sinking who knows me values me

2 months worth of complaints in your sales thread, none of which you addressed.

You know what i won't mind leaving this forum lately this forum is filled with shit members

Yeah, blame the customer, blame the members, blame anyone but yourself.

Dispute Summary​

The accused has been permanently banned from Black Hat World for failing to resolve this dispute.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.

Thread Open For Commentary​

 

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