cancelling disavow GSC

[metalfingersdoom]

I think some links I built back in the day are negatively affecting my rankings but I'm not sure. If i disavow these links and wait like a month or so to see what effect it will have and then remove the disavow list will the backlinks 'come back'? there are like 50 of them and lots of time and money went into building them so I don't want to take any chances. Thanks in advance

 

[Fahedawan]

I think some links I built back in the day are negatively affecting my rankings but I'm not sure. If i disavow these links and wait like a month or so to see what effect it will have and then remove the disavow list will the backlinks 'come back'? there are like 50 of them and lots of time and money went into building them so I don't want to take any chances. Thanks in advance

Nowadays it reruires at least 2 months to give some affect on site.

 

[Techpreneur]

Google has already stopped indexing bad links. There are various reasons for the site to receive backlinks from bad domains. So Google doesn't mind them.

If you only build high-quality links, you needn't worry about it. If Google considers them good, it will help rank your site; otherwise, there will be no effect. That's it

 

[metalfingersdoom]

Nowadays it reruires at least 2 months to give some affect on site.

you're talking based on what?

 

[metalfingersdoom]

@Steptoe
@tazarbm
@tiiberius

You guys have an idea?

 

[tazarbm]

no idea how google will react. But I wouldn't disavow them since you've spent a lot of money on them, so I assume they're good links.

But anyway, why do you assume that these links are the reason for bad rankings?

And did you check which pages lost the rankings? Because if it's only the pages that these links point to then yeah, there's a big chance that they might be the culprit. But if non-linked pages are the ones that lost rankings you need to look into this more closely. Maybe you need to improve / add more content, maybe you need to build some links to these pages because your competitors might have outranked you, maybe you've been affected by one of google's updates, maybe it's google itself that has screwed things for you (they've been doing a lot of this lately)

Personally, I wouldn't touch those links just yet, I would instead check which pages suffered the loss and try to figure out why. And 50 links are not even many, you can always water down their negative impact by building new (and better) ones. But I still think it's not those links' fault...

 

[Fahedawan]

you're talking based on what?

on my personal testing and experience.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

I think once you disavow a link, it's forever discounted. Or it would take a long time to reset it. Since they insert random delays into the process, it's hard to know whether the disavow is in effect or not.

 

[fb3003]

I think some links I built back in the day are negatively affecting my rankings but I'm not sure. If i disavow these links and wait like a month or so to see what effect it will have and then remove the disavow list will the backlinks 'come back'? there are like 50 of them and lots of time and money went into building them so I don't want to take any chances. Thanks in advance

delete your disavow tool and 99% you should see a ranking improvement. do not use disavow tool, unless you get a penalty in GSC.

 

[HustleTong]

This could go either way
I wouldn't disavow them if I was in your shoes

 

[tiiberius]

I don't think link treatment is based on active disavow file. Once they recognize it, they "blacklist" it. You can remove it and they are still blacklisted.

 

[metalfingersdoom]

no idea how google will react. But I wouldn't disavow them since you've spent a lot of money on them, so I assume they're good links.

But anyway, why do you assume that these links are the reason for bad rankings?

And did you check which pages lost the rankings? Because if it's only the pages that these links point to then yeah, there's a big chance that they might be the culprit. But if non-linked pages are the ones that lost rankings you need to look into this more closely. Maybe you need to improve / add more content, maybe you need to build some links to these pages because your competitors might have outranked you, maybe you've been affected by one of google's updates, maybe it's google itself that has screwed things for you (they've been doing a lot of this lately)

Personally, I wouldn't touch those links just yet, I would instead check which pages suffered the loss and try to figure out why. And 50 links are not even many, you can always water down their negative impact by building new (and better) ones. But I still think it's not those links' fault...

I bought them all over the place in a VERY short while. Talking about 100 links in 20 days on a site with like 30 clicks a day. I am worried it might be holding me back because I suffered from the same thing in another site and I found they were the reason I wasn't ranking higher. Matt Diggity has a webinar on link speed on which he talked about thd exact same issue. Around the 16th minute

on this vid he gives an example but i think he speaks about it earlier too. Outside so can't really listen and confirm rn sorry

The effect when you do this is site-wide. I think you may have heard of this if not experienced it yourself. So can't really speak about individual pages

delete your disavow tool and 99% you should see a ranking improvement. do not use disavow tool, unless you get a penalty in GSC.

I don't use a disavow tool bro I manually audit them and submit Google a list of the urls it should disavow. Do you have anything against this or am I good? And also how am i supposed to see an improvement from not using these tools? What do they do? Is it about Google reconsidering links after I stop using them or about not giving them a place to affect newly built links? Thanks 4 the reply

I don't think link treatment is based on active disavow file. Once they recognize it, they "blacklist" it. You can remove it and they are still blacklisted.

Hey Man can you read my reply to tazarbm above? For instance if I had a penalty it'd be good to disavow bad links and it'd remove the penalty. Won't you say it'd also mitigate the negative SEO effects incurred by algorithmic "hold-backs" or any such thing like that mentioned above? Or would you say such things don't exist in the first place?

 

[Steptoe]

@Steptoe
@tazarbm
@tiiberius

You guys have an idea?

I'm sorry, but I've never disavowed a single link, ever. I don't see the point in giving Google more information than I already do. If it were that easy to negatively effect ranking by firing off links at someone, it would be a lot more widespread. I'm not seeing any evidence of this.

 

[tazarbm]

I bought them all over the place in a VERY short while. Talking about 100 links in 20 days on a site with like 30 clicks a day. I am worried it might be holding me back because I suffered from the same thing in another site and I found they were the reason I wasn't ranking higher. Matt Diggity has a webinar on link speed on which he talked about thd exact same issue. Around the 16th minute on this vid he gives an example but i think he speaks about it earlier too. Outside so can't really listen and confirm rn sorry

The effect when you do this is site-wide. I think you may have heard of this if not experienced it yourself. So can't really speak about individual pages

I won't watch the video as I don't have time at the moment (but I'll check it out in the next days). But even so, MD is a better SEO than I am so you should probably believe him

This being said, I'll still answer your question, just for fairness:

Talking about 100 links in 20 days on a site with like 30 clicks a day

this should only matter if your site is new and didn't have any backlinks yet. For fresh sites without backlinking history link velocity is important indeed. So yeah, 100 links in 20 days is too much if your site is not established. And if it's already established (has age and prior backlinks) then I'm not sure where the problem is, sorry!

I am worried it might be holding me back because I suffered from the same thing in another site and I found they were the reason I wasn't ranking higher.

well, you've got your answer then

The effect when you do this is site-wide. I think you may have heard of this if not experienced it yourself. So can't really speak about individual pages

it's true! And yes, I did experience it myself. I've built 100s of links to a 1.5 month new website in like 10 days, and one week after the important backlinks has been indexed my site had gone from pages top 50 to nowhere

Anyway, most people agree that you shouldn't disavow the links which was my initial response, too. But you're almost certain that the links are the issue, so I don't know what to say in this case. You have a tough choice to make

 

[metalfingersdoom]

I won't watch the video as I don't have time at the moment (but I'll check it out in the next days). But even so, MD is a better SEO than I am so you should probably believe him

This being said, I'll still answer your question, just for fairness:


this should only matter if your site is new and didn't have any backlinks yet. For fresh sites without backlinking history link velocity is important indeed. So yeah, 100 links in 20 days is too much if your site is not established. And if it's already established (has age and prior backlinks) then I'm not sure where the problem is, sorry!


well, you've got your answer then


it's true! And yes, I did experience it myself. I've built 100s of links to a 1.5 month new website in like 10 days, and one week after the important backlinks has been indexed my site had gone from pages top 50 to nowhere

Anyway, most people agree that you shouldn't disavow the links which was my initial response, too. But you're almost certain that the links are the issue, so I don't know what to say in this case. You have a tough choice to make

Thanks bro. Yeah I had like 10 backlinks at most built months ago and i just spammed tf out of the site. I'll be looking at the results.

I'm sorry, but I've never disavowed a single link, ever. I don't see the point in giving Google more information than I already do. If it were that easy to negatively effect ranking by firing off links at someone, it would be a lot more widespread. I'm not seeing any evidence of this.

Makes me wonder. You're VERY experienced and I presume you've seen most there is to be seen. Have you never had something like this happen to you before? You might not have sent 100 bl's to a new domain in 20 days but have you not experienced such thing down the line? I'm trying to understand if there will be such thing down the line. If not, then great.

 

[Steptoe]

Makes me wonder. You're VERY experienced and I presume you've seen most there is to be seen. Have you never had something like this happen to you before? You might not have sent 100 bl's to a new domain in 20 days but have you not experienced such thing down the line? I'm trying to understand if there will be such thing down the line. If not, then great.

I see the peaks and troughs everyone sees when building links, but consistency tends to smooth things out in my experience. I only really look at longer time periods when tracking SERPs - too much volatility makes daily/weekly check data pretty useless, which in turn can result in overreaction on the SEO's part.

 

[metalfingersdoom]

I see the peaks and troughs everyone sees when building links, but consistency tends to smooth things out in my experience. I only really look at longer time periods when tracking SERPs - too much volatility makes daily/weekly check data pretty useless, which in turn can result in overreaction on the SEO's part.

got it thanks

 

[fb3003]

@metalfingersdoom - i still say to remove your disavow file from GSC and give it time. while waiting only concentrate on creating solid hard to get backlinks. don't over do it. let the dust settle.

also, take a look at your on-page: are you answering user's intention? since you have matt diggity's videos, watch this one on topical authority:

 

[tiiberius]

I'm sorry, but I've never disavowed a single link, ever. I don't see the point in giving Google more information than I already do. If it were that easy to negatively effect ranking by firing off links at someone, it would be a lot more widespread. I'm not seeing any evidence of this.

Yes, this has been my viewpoint as well.

Hey Man can you read my reply to tazarbm above? For instance if I had a penalty it'd be good to disavow bad links and it'd remove the penalty. Won't you say it'd also mitigate the negative SEO effects incurred by algorithmic "hold-backs" or any such thing like that mentioned above? Or would you say such things don't exist in the first place?

If it's serious manual penalty and nothing to lose like Pure Spam, sure why not.

If it's not algorithmic, I would be hesitant.

Most of the issue these days are content related.

 

[metalfingersdoom]

Yes, this has been my viewpoint as well.


If it's serious manual penalty and nothing to lose like Pure Spam, sure why not.

If it's not algorithmic, I would be hesitant.

Most of the issue these days are content related.

At this point I'm quite sure the backlink thing was the culprit and the hold back was algorithmic as I started experiencing a loss in traffic & ranking & impressions after 20 jan which was 1 week after the link spam update.

Before the penalty I was already kind of experiencing what matt diggity talked about at the video I linked. The site never really 'took off', struggled to rank the good pages but was at page one on like 4 different pages which were quite easy to rank.

So it's not like a random fluctuation which is to be always expected.

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An important thing btw: I'm still getting 3k clicks per day and want to improve my rankings. So after I disallow my links (which in this case I think I should... Am I right???). I'll have about two months of stagnation (the first reply to this thread turned out to be right about the time it takes the disavow to work. It took EXACTLY two months for the disavow to work on my other domain.) and I still want to improve my rankings during the time it'll take for the disavow to work. I SHOULD still be able to send backlinks like you should on a domain which gets 100kish monthly clicks, right? Algorithmic hold backs should not stop such backlinks from seeming natural and ranking me higher after the disavow works.

Just want to get a confirmation from you bro, you have loads of experience. Thanks in advance

@metalfingersdoom - i still say to remove your disavow file from GSC and give it time. while waiting only concentrate on creating solid hard to get backlinks. don't over do it. let the dust settle.

also, take a look at your on-page: are you answering user's intention? since you have matt diggity's videos, watch this one on topical authority:

yeah I spent lots of time on the on-site and watched the video btw it's really good. Can you read the reply above bro? Would you say it'd be fitting for me to disavow in this case. Because as I mentioned this is no usual case I did something VERY dumb