BHW scam Reveal

[Zwielicht]

The thing I found here is that the structure of this platform tricks new users but that's okay.

I want to know, how do you feel the structure of this platform tricks new users? As far as I'm concerned, we don't have any manipulative structures in place, although I do want to know what you're referring to.

So, I observed that this platform is totally dead.

I wouldn't say that considering this thread is 3 pages long after being up for only an hour. That's 3 pages after I merged your all of your back-to-back responses (speaking of which, please use the multi-quote feature going forward).

Edit: Now we're on the fourth page.

Even "WTB" AND "WTH" sub-forums are no more active. Only Few of the JR VIP seems to be interested in answering the questions.

It still looks active in there. It's not as active as it used to be, but that's because only premium members and Jr. VIPs can respond to those threads these days.

I have seen that this november thousands of newbie accounts has been created and BHW got spammed heavily.

If you're referring to the casino spam network, they created the accounts between August and November, and it wasn't thousands of newbie accounts. They also mainly hit marketplace threads in specific sections, some of them intentionally, and action against the sellers ordering those bumps is being taken this week.

I'm sure most members here have noticed that we managed the block the spam in the middle of last week. However, I'm not going to go into more detail about any of it because giving away how we combat spam is just asking for trouble.

My posts get answered by bots and they just ask for review copies on the product related threads which really makes no sense.

I don't see any reports from you about this. I went ahead and looked at your sales thread, and there were replies from the casino spam network, although I removed them for you already.

Even an account which was created 2 minutes ago followed me whom I don't even know which seems strange as how newly created account follow me without any conversation or reading my messages.

This isn't indicative of anything. We have a lot of lurkers here who then sign up and follow members they're interested in immediately. I was a lurker here for months before joining and I did the same thing.

Absolutely. I am not arguing with the case of potential customers just said that BHW has recruited a lot of BHW spam bots this November.

I hope you're not suggesting that we, for whatever reason, would recruit spam accounts to lower the value of our forum.

You just lost a person willing to help you with that lie.

Hey @BassTrackerBoats, remember all that work I've been putting in the last several weeks to identify patterns in these spam networks and the discussions our team has had on how to prevent this spam in the future? Well, I wish I knew THE TRUTH beforehand that we were just ordering it ourselves, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted so much time on that.

That was sarcasm, because I feel like that's going to go over a certain someone's head.

For anyone else reading this, the marketplace works just like anywhere else: you have to advertise yourself correctly. You can't just say "BUMP" and then wonder why customers aren't flooding your sales thread.

To put this another way, you can't just list something on Amazon and expect to get thousands of sales.

We also have guides on how to do advertise your marketplace thread by members and staff. Here's a link to one of them: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/guide-advertising-your-marketplace-thread.1247005/

 

[PHPInjected]

I made this post as it is important for new users and those who think JR VIP is important enough that they can't survive here without it. I bought JR VIP at the time I was earning nothing. The thing I found here is that the structure of this platform tricks new users but that's okay. So, I observed that this platform is totally dead. Even "WTB" AND "WTH" sub-forums are no more active. Only Few of the JR VIP seems to be interested in answering the questions. I have seen that this november thousands of newbie accounts has been created and BHW got spammed heavily. My posts get answered by bots and they just ask for review copies on the product related threads which really makes no sense. Even an account which was created 2 minutes ago followed me whom I don't even know which seems strange as how newly created account follow me without any conversation or reading my messages.

Overall, My recommendation is that BHW is nothing more than just a spammed forum. Full of trash. Lounge, Marketplace all hell dead!

It's my opinion and you will agree with this too. A trash full of Junk.

I've never seen such a lazily made take on the forum since joining.

Essentially, JR. VIP is designed to be made for two people:

A. Those who learned from the forum for free and want to give back to the structure that enabled them to earn/learn.

B. Those who eventually want to sell on the forum & are upgrading for business related purposes/signature sales.


Now, you can make that initial Jr. VIP cost back no problem. The type of people that expect to earn money immediately upon Jr. VIP purchase that are not opening a BST thread are the same type of people that try a new method & quit after 1 week.

I've purchased Jr. VIP 6 times. It's been worth it every time.

 

[Ndiqi]

November and December is where people are out traveling man, so it’s probably a bit less people online doing business, your data isn’t enough

 

[MisterF]

Yup, I agree but I am just questioning on the BHW lounge and marketplace. I thanks @Sartre , @MisterF , @RealDaddy etc. to make this forum so special. But I just posted my own review. I do not care about my marketplace threads but spam bots and unknown follow ups are strange

As you tagged me into this. Most of the sellers on here never answer questions, they are here just to sell. You know when it's aquiet for them, they are all now posting replies in Introductions.

Also you can see sellers who posted daily to get to 100, then upgrade. They then stop contributing when they submit a BST. They then make an appearance 2-3 weeks later, once the BST has been approved. You know 100%, they are never going to contribute anything else except to bump their BSTs.

The bots and shills piss the hell out of me and most genuine sellers, and probably most genuine buyers.

It's nice to see staff remove scammers and BSTs that stand out as a farce, such as this one; https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/golden-guide-secret-google-algorithm-codex-insane-advanced-seo-strategies-that-i-found-from-internal-google-documents-for-fast-rankings.1456871/, which is no longer visible.
Guy posts 70 times in 1 day to upgrade, to push a $900 product with a refund policy that is as trustworthy as zero and what is he going to lose when the Shitlists roll in? Nothing as he'd chargeback his Jr VIP and his BST fee and do a runner with all the $900 he took.

I reported someone this morning who was spam posting in Intros, they had managed 30 in one day, recently.


The forum is like life as a whole, some good people some scammers, some nice people, some arseholes, some educated people, some total retards. I don't mind helping people who want to know something and learn, but I have no tolerance for those expecting spoonfeeding.

When you have seen enough in real life, you can easily spot who is who on here and other forums.
You get out of life what you put in, same on forums etc.

Enjoy your weekend!

 

[roydan]

They also mainly hit marketplace threads in specific sections, some of them intentionally, and action against the sellers ordering those bumps is being taken this week.

You might just want to be on BHW on that date.

Just sayin'.

Did I just.. Yep, I think I did

 

[Sulphur]

I hope you're not suggesting that we, for whatever reason, would recruit spam accounts to lower the value of our forum.

It's in sense that BHW accidently took them in. I was not aware about that casino network. If you all are working with that' all fine. You made me clear about my doubts . It was just a strange thing that just created account followed me as I engage myself less in BHW due to my other works.

Hey @BassTrackerBoats, remember all that work I've been putting in the last several weeks to identify patterns in these spam networks and the discussions our team has had on how to prevent this spam in the future? Well, I wish I knew THE TRUTH beforehand that we were just ordering it ourselves, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted so much time on that.

Sorry dude, I was not aware of.. Thanks @Zwielicht to clear the hazy things.

and for about that "BUMP" case on my sales thread I just observed it from one of a marketplace seller. So would not use this again

It still looks active in there. It's not as active as it used to be, but that's because only premium members and Jr. VIPs can respond to those threads these days.

Yup, But I thought these sections should be active which makes me feel strange.

I wouldn't say that considering this thread is 3 pages long after being up for only an hour. That's 3 pages after I merged your all of your back-to-back responses (speaking of which, please use the multi-quote feature going forward).

Yup, But I replied as BHW members shows interest in these kind of things more than helping the needy one. I mentioned the example too and was too surprised with that example when compared to other lounge posts.

November and December is where people are out traveling man, so it’s probably a bit less people online doing business, your data isn’t enough

It's Online world mate. Nothing to related with travelling. BHW do not consists only one country



All though it was nice to talk with moderators and Mister F who made clear replies then arguing.

I've never seen such a lazily made take on the forum since joining.

Essentially, JR. VIP is designed to be made for two people:

A. Those who learned from the forum for free and want to give back to the structure that enabled them to earn/learn.

B. Those who eventually want to sell on the forum & are upgrading for business related purposes/signature sales.


Now, you can make that initial Jr. VIP cost back no problem. The type of people that expect to earn money immediately upon Jr. VIP purchase that are not opening a BST thread are the same type of people that try a new method & quit after 1 week.

I've purchased Jr. VIP 6 times. It's been worth it every time.

Thanks Man. I bought JR VIP considering helping others more. I was unclear with my doubts with which reputable moderators helped me

 

[SERPhustler]

No offense to anyone but this thread is a pure waste of time and energy for everyone involved. Peace out

 

[Sulphur]

Though I was suprised that why casino network will post about review copies specially in marketplace to let BHW seems to be Fluffy from inside. They will just promote their savage links etc.

No offense to anyone but this thread is a pure waste of time and energy for everyone involved. Peace out

I don't think so It's about what's happening in BHW inside. It's for those who tried arguing and messaged some irregular replies to pass their time on. You should observe the thread carefully.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

I don't think so It's about what's happening in BHW inside. It's for those who tried arguing and messaged some irregular replies to pass their time on. You should observe the thread carefully.

Please use the multiquote feature instead of spamming this thread.

 

[Iwearglasses]

I just want to add 1 thing here, I am a Jr vip like you also and I have done 6 figures profits in last 3 months all because of people I met or made connections with solely on BHW.

It's not forums fault if you stay within your "own" little bubble, don't network with other like minded people and don't know how to utilize the forum at it's full potential. It's your fault, not forum's.

I have done well over 7 figures in just sales from BHW over the years, the amount I made with JVs and connections from this place in last 14 years, I won't even go into that as I don't want to put salt in your wounds

You hiring?

 

[Sulphur]

Please use the multiquote feature instead of spamming this thread.

Okay Actulally when I post a comment another pops up which in result with individual messages instead of grouped in one. Will surely take care of that.

 

[Zwielicht]

It's in sense that BHW accidently took them in. I was not aware about that casino network. If you all are working with that' all fine. You made me clear about my doubts . It was just a strange thing that just created account followed me as I engage myself less in BHW due to my other works.

Sorry dude, I was not aware of.. Thanks @Zwielicht to clear the hazy things.

I really do understand being frustrated by spam in your sales thread. Those spam comments wasted the time of a lot of sellers who tried sending them discount, coupons, and follow-up messages. Honestly, we should've acted faster on it, and I am sorry if those spam accounts wasted any of your time as well.

and for about that "BUMP" case on my sales thread I just observed it from one of a marketplace seller. So would not use this again

It really isn't the best way to take advantage of that 72 hour bump you get. Emulating other sellers is a good strategy, but try to see what other successful sellers are doing, and then try do better than them.

Yup, But I thought these sections should be active which makes me feel strange.

Yeah, I can see how that's confusing considering it's a publicly viewable subforum.

Yup, But I replied as BHW members shows interest in these kind of things more than helping the needy one. I mentioned the example too and was too surprised with that example when compared to other lounge posts.

As far as threads are concerned, there are a lot of variables that go into whether or not a thread gets a response. For example, some members make the mistake of misplacing their Facebook-topic in the lounge. You might get some response in the lounge, but the people who are interested in Facebook marketing are going to be browsing the Facebook section for threads, not the lounge.

No offense to anyone but this thread is a pure waste of time and energy for everyone involved. Peace out

It isn't a waste of time and energy for everyone. Sulphur, a customer of BHW, was frustrated with the spam we were getting, and it's our job as BHW staff to take care of our customers.

 

[CPANathan]

Good programmers are always hard to hire. It’s not about bhw. They are hard to hire because they know what they are doing, and they most of the time wouldn’t risk messing up with their existing clients/company. They don’t have time for experiments unless the pay is really good.

Coming to your post for dev, where is it? Lemme check what you posted.

This is a great response, no sneaky disses or aggression...

OP also needs to notice that this is a marketing forum... From what I can see there's a very small amount of us that can actually develop something to support a marketers time.

 

[Setox]

Dude, I spent decent money on many projects before learning how to hire properly, and how to talk to devs, If you just want to throw money at someone hand's and wait for the magic, it's not going to happen, and if you think paying for a BST here is a waste of time, you can just check the marketplace where many are selling their BST making 5 figures a month.

 

[Roger Marquez]

I am going to venture and say BHW has hundreds of Jr VIPs, so are we all either too stupid to realize this, or you´re wrong?

I am going to say the ladder.

 

[HazeRurouni]

"It's my opinion and you will agree with this too."
I hope you are trolling, yeah.?

 

[Sulphur]

OP also needs to notice that this is a marketing forum... From what I can see there's a very small amount of us that can actually develop something to support a marketers time.

I replied with the answer. please read the thread again. I care about devs hard work as I had worked on programmatic work too.
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Dude, I spent decent money on many projects before learning how to hire properly, and how to talk to devs, If you just want to throw money at someone hand's and wait for the magic, it's not going to happen, and if you think paying for a BST here is a waste of time, you can just check the marketplace where many are selling their BST making 5 figures a month.

Never said BHW is a waste of time.

I am going to venture and say BHW has hundreds of Jr VIPs, so are we all either too stupid to realize this, or you´re wrong?

I am not arguing on this matter. Thanks for your views no one asked for.


BHW moderator's are requested to close the thread if possible as I got the real answer of my question. Now only getting the replies in motive of winning the argument. May not answer any reply.

 

[thescrrr]

I’m nonplussed.

 

[Zwielicht]

BHW moderator's are requested to close the thread if possible as I got the real answer of my question. Now only getting the replies in motive of winning the argument. May not answer any reply.

I think it's fair to close the thread now.

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