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[Ponami1]

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[Roger Marquez]

Hi guys,am from a tier 3 country i came across a method which I can tweak and make money through poker site,so you poker dude I need your reply reply mostly on this thread on best sit and go website, your reply would really go a long way thanks..

I played online poker professionally for about 8 years but I haven´t played in the past three (3).

I played mostly MTTs and SNGs on PokerStars and I got tired of the lifestyle of the MTT professional.

I haven´t been around much but back in the day, the best site to play SNG was PokerStars by far.

The thing with SNGs in order to make it worth it and obtain/sustain a decent hourly is through volume. I used to average 250+ Turbos 180s SNGs per session (day) for the $3r, $8, and $15 buyins.

I then started mixing them up with low/mid stakes tourneys but my bread and butter have ALWAYS been turbos SNGs.

So, as you know, when it comes to turbos SNGs, volume is everything in order to both minimize variance and maximize hourly.

I don´t know which poker site has the most traffic when it comes SNGs but I am guessing PS is still king in that regard.

According to PokerScout, the GGPoker network is above PokerStars but it doesn´t say how much traffic comes from the SNG table.

Also, many SNGs can´t be tracked like Spin&Go tables.

On the other hand, a big chunk of that traffic comes from play money tables so, it´s hard to say.

But, as you can see, all those three sites/networks, GGPoker, PokerStars, and IDNPoker, have the most traffic so I would try them out for a couple of weeks.

Cheers and gl!

 

[Ponami1]

I played online poker professionally for about 8 years but I haven´t played in the past three (3).

I played mostly MTTs and SNGs on PokerStars and I got tired of the lifestyle of the MTT professional.

I haven´t been around much but back in the day, the best site to play SNG was PokerStars by far.

The thing with SNGs in order to make it worth it and obtain/sustain a decent hourly is through volume. I used to average 250+ Turbos 180s SNGs per session (day) for the $3r, $8, and $15 buyins.

I then started mixing them up with low/mid stakes tourneys but my bread and butter have ALWAYS been turbos SNGs.

So, as you know, when it comes to turbos SNGs, volume is everything in order to both minimize variance and maximize hourly.

I don´t know which poker site has the most traffic when it comes SNGs but I am guessing PS is still king in that regard.

According to PokerScout, the GGPoker network is above PokerStars but it doesn´t say how much traffic comes from the SNG table.

Also, many SNGs can´t be tracked like Spin&Go tables.

On the other hand, a big chunk of that traffic comes from play money tables so, it´s hard to say.

But, as you can see, all those three sites/networks, GGPoker, PokerStars, and IDNPoker, have the most traffic so I would try them out for a couple of weeks.

Cheers and gl!

thanks dude,this reply would really go a long way for me,i really appreciate. i own you

 

[ju112]

Nice answer by Roger Marquez. I had approximately the same experience with SNGs, this is also where I won some money online.

My experience in poker was:

• I was passionate about this game for 2 or 3 years. I read a lot of books, learnt probabilities, and so on. At this time, I was engaged in a promising relationship with a girl. Poker broke everything at this level: poker was a real devastating passion.
• Online, I invested so much in software (like Poker Tracker) to get stats about your opponents in real-time online
• Quickly, I did a trip to Las Vegas where I went to all the famous poker rooms for one night. I was a shy and skinny guy, intellectual and introverted. I was not even capable to understand the talks at the table. Strangely, It was a huge success. Might be luck, but obviously, I played an atypical poker. I won more than $15k during the full night.
• 10 years after, I still remember how upset they were against my strange moves, especially at the river. Seems to be my speciality to push others to do "all in".
• I also played a lot in poker rooms in France, at night.
• One day, I won against a street prostitute at the table. I downplayed voluntarily a four of a kind against a Full House to get the full pot. She falls into the trap, all-in, I won obviously. But that was not easy to digest mentally. This is the kind of hand you cannot forget. I still remember her face when I showed her my cards. These 3k€ were just money for me, but for her...

My exit was due to rational analysis: this game has an extreme variance. You never know if you play well. Never.

It's worst than SEO. I would not recommend investing time in this game, except if you want to meet various people and be the social guy at the table. This is a pure loss of time. The force of poker? It's a game for losers, nobody wins, except sponsored people as their bad beat is paid by a company.

 

[Roger Marquez]

• I was passionate about this game for 2 or 3 years. I read a lot of books, learnt probabilities, and so on. At this time, I was engaged in a promising relationship with a girl. Poker broke everything at this level: poker was a real devastating passion.

For me it was a slight different story.

Poker was devastating for me due to the "toxic" lifestyle you can get yourself into. Not because of poker itself but due to the fact that MTTs has such a high variance and, in order to "beat" that variance you need to invest a lot of time into studying and playing.

I once had a schedule where I played 20-22 days a month which was my "working" days where I played on average of 75-150 SNGs and 30-50 MTTs and, I took just a few days off each week with the exception of weekends as, you know, are the highest value online MTTs with bigger payouts and soft-tables.

When it came to studying, I had weekly sessions with my poker buddies where we hop into skype and team viewer and we will go over someone in the group deepest run in MTTs and discuss hands, situations, strategies, and share notes on regulars, etc.

And quickly that became "toxic" for me because I didn´t have much a "free time" to do much else and I started to develop some bad habits that deeply affected both my mental and physical health.

• Online, I invested so much in software (like Poker Tracker) to get stats about your opponents in real-time online

Funny that you mentioned PokerTracker because it was my go-to tracker software over Holdem Manager because I loved its customizability.

In fact, I got so obsessed with learning the ins and outs of the software I spent a hell lot of time on the PT4 forum asking questions like a maniac. It wasn´t long until I became a PT4 expert and I even got a developer´s account for PT4 where I even started to sell custom stats, reports, and HUDs (I think I still have the account )

Some other softwares I bought which I recently sold to a poker buddy were CardrunnersEV, Flopzilla, and GTO+.

• Quickly, I did a trip to Las Vegas where I went to all the famous poker rooms for one night. I was a shy and skinny guy, intellectual and introverted. I was not even capable to understand the talks at the table. Strangely, It was a huge success. Might be luck, but obviously, I played an atypical poker. I won more than $15k during the full night.

Never had the pleasure of sitting at a poker table in a casino. One of my biggest regrets as a poker player.

• 10 years after, I still remember how upset they were against my strange moves, especially at the river. Seems to be my speciality to push others to do "all in".
• I also played a lot in poker rooms in France, at night.

My biggest regrets at poker was a two-outer from a Russian (duh, right! ) in the final table of The Bigger 11 (don´t know if you remember these Sunday majors on PS), where I got 3rd for $7.2k cashout (biggest online cash in an MTT).

The guy ends up winning the damn thing for $22k after getting 2/3 of all the chips in play from that bad beat.

• One day, I won against a street prostitute at the table. I downplayed voluntarily a four of a kind against a Full House to get the full pot. She falls into the trap, all-in, I won obviously. But that was not easy to digest mentally. This is the kind of hand you cannot forget. I still remember her face when I showed her my cards. These 3k€ were just money for me, but for her...

hahaha niiice!

My exit was due to rational analysis: this game has an extreme variance. You never know if you play well. Never.

Yeah, I was dealing with lots of memory issues (I still am) even until this day my short memory sucks big time!

Also, it was around the time we were experiencing an electrical crisis in my country and it was s suicide to load an MTT/SNG session because of the risk of going powerless in a middle of a session with 12-16 tables opened and $200-$300+ in buyins.

It's worst than SEO.

I don´t know if that´s the case, I think it highly varies from person to person and country to country.

For example, for most Latin American countries, for some youngsters, online poker can be extremely profitable. It´s not a coincidence most online "pros" are people in their early 20s.

Also, making a couple of hundred dollars it´s rather easy if you´re willing to put in the work and have the discipline and, in most Latin American countries, $200-$300 it´s like minimum wage.

I consider myself to be very "technical" when it comes to poker. I remembered I loved breaking down spots and handing in CardrunnersEV and playing with the variables and seeing how changing the bet size, the texture of the board, or the villain range affected the EV of a particular decision.

That was one of the things I loved the most about poker and I still find it interesting.

I remember when GTO became THE thing in poker and I felt like in paradise!

I would not recommend investing time in this game, except if you want to meet various people and be the social guy at the table.

After 8 years of playing poker professionally, I couldn´t agree with you more.

I remembered what happened in the US in the infamous "Black Friday" of online poker when the DOJ banned online poker for political reasons and many poker buddies remained unsure of what to do.

One of them even started working as a pizza delivery guy waiting for the DOJ to authorize the poker site to return the money to the account holders.

Many others had to relocate and many did to Mexico to a place called "playa del carmen".

There was a decent size community of online poker pros there and we shared a skype group (around 40+ people).

This is a pure loss of time.

This is a strong way to put it but I understand what you mean.

I think poker should be a side hustle and NOT a long-term thing.

I remember being coached/staked by a US turbo specialist that played poker on the side and the guy was one of the best turbo 180s grinders back when the $15 180s was $12 and there was a $30 and a $60 buy-in that rarely ran.

He had a full-time job as a legal consultant for a US government institution making $100k+ a year and, another $100k+ a year from poker and I remember us asking him why he didn´t dedicate himself to poker full time and he gave us the same answer as you, basically because we don´t know what will happen in the future.

And funny thing is, one year or so later, online poker was banned from the US.

The force of poker? It's a game for losers, nobody wins, except sponsored people as their bad beat is paid by a company.

I am sorry but I strongly disagree with this.

I was a profitable player in almost all the sites I played in with the exception of the iPoker network. (I don´t know why I just never felt comfortable playing there.)

I remember I crushed the turbos 180s SNGs at the $2.50 level and even when it was $2.20.

I used multitabled 20-25 tables at the time and sustained a ROIs of 27% before moving up the stakes to the $3r/$8 and, eventually, to the $15s.

On MTTs, I did alright on PS but I used to crush PartyPoker, 888Poker, and other smaller networks/sites I used to grind over the weekends like Intertops and Bodog.

 

[nusb0]

i came across a method which I can tweak and make money through poker site

Your method gonna fail, it's not existing. Hard grind and work/luck is the only way.

The force of poker? It's a game for losers, nobody wins, except sponsored people as their bad beat is paid by a company.

You can find public results for free of CG and spin players online. Hundreds of player have hourly > $50.

@Roger Marquez​

Can you explain me your transition from poker to SEO please? I'm on the same way (playing only best spin games atm and focusing the rest of my time on SEO).

 

[wankawonk]

the players on pokerstars are really good and they're all using HUDs to play extremely accurately. its hard to beat rake

bovada has much weaker players and HUDs are mostly useless because the tables are anonymous. I like playing there.

I hope your plan to make money isn't to win at online tables, very few people are skilled enough to make a living doing that.

live tables are so much easier to make a profit. the players are hilariously bad.

 

[Roger Marquez]

You can find public results for free of CG and spin players online. Hundreds of player have hourly > $50.

My hourly playing turbos 180s reached its peak at $16-$18 and, for the top grinders, it was over $20 per hour.

My last experience as an online poker player was actually on a spin&go stable (Spinlegends) and the top grinders there had an hourly of $40+

@Roger Marquez
Can you explain me your transition from poker to SEO please? I'm on the same way (playing only best spin games atm and focusing the rest of my time on SEO).

Well, with poker, I love the fact that I was making decent money (by Venezuelan standards), I didn´t have any bosses, and I could play whenever I can.

I really cherish that level of freedom and flexibility so, when I realize I couldn´t play online poker anymore or that wasn´t going to be a sustainable source of income for me going into my 40s and beyond I looked at other alternatives where I could develop an income stream online the same way I did it with online poker and given I have a college degree in economics it was only logic to look into digital marketing and it was where I just fell in love with SEO.

I really liked other online areas like affiliate marketing (CPA mostly) but it was something that "clicked" in me about SEO I found it so damn interesting and appealing.

I know people often complain about the "risk" of SEO related to how things can drastically change in a matter of days or weeks if Google goes "crazy" and rolls out an algo update but, for me, this is one of the things I find the most interesting about SEO.

The everlasting testing, monitoring, tracking, and adjusting give SEO the dynamic I was looking for in a profession.

I find nothing more boring than graduating in X profession, working for 30+ years doing the tedious tasks over and over again until you retire.

Basically, you just worked for 1 year and repeated the process for 20-30 years.

In SEO, every year there´s something new!

New processes, new technologies, new challenges, etc, keep the job appealing enough for me.

Although, what I know now about SEO I didn´t learn in college.

It was through a relentless attitude that I was going to learn as much as possible about SEO within a year. So, I started looking at SEO-related resources, blogs, courses, online communities like this forum, Facebook groups, etc. and started to download as much information as possible about the basics of the profession.

The first active year here I was posting like a maniac !

And I was also getting warnings like a maniac as well!! (Sorry @BassTrackerBoats )

I created accounts on several different freelancing platforms but, after a few months, I decided to focus on just one and so I picked Upwork and I am still devoted to that platform.

Right now, I am into my 4th year there, currently working part-time for 3 different marketing agencies + a handful of private recurrent clients.

There, I´ve earned the "Top-Rated" freelancer badge, a 99% job success rate, and a close to 5-star rating.

This forum has played a MAJOR role in my development as an SEO Consultant. The value you can get from here it´s nothing short of ridiculous.

I mean, you won´t become an expert here or through any other resource on the internet, only by testing, tracking/monitoring results, and making adjustments you will become one but, from all the resources out there where you can learn the basics and learn other more advance stuff from more experienced people, BHW it´s right up there.

I am always downloading courses, listening to podcasts, actively posting in forums, and engaging with other fellows' SEOs about trends and stuff and I just love that part of the journey.

I´ve developed the habit to check my RSS feed where I am subscribed to 20+ different SEO blogs, news, and publications to check what´s going on in the industry.

It´s something I enjoy and I can keep doing for many years to come.

It´s funny because my wife is dying for me to teach her what I do because she works 60+ hours per week and she makes the same as I do.

The main difference is that I do it all from home and work like half the hours she does (Sorry wifey)

So, yeah, that´s a brief summary of how I transitioned from online poker to SEO and what I am doing at the moment.

Cheers!!

 

[nusb0]

My hourly playing turbos 180s reached its peak at $16-$18 and, for the top grinders, it was over $20 per hour.

My last experience as an online poker player was actually on a spin&go stable (Spinlegends) and the top grinders there had an hourly of $40+

Because the majority of best players not going into stables, especially for this one : "2+2 spin legends scam"

I don't know for turbos 180s, but you can easily find results of spin and CG players online and it's much more tant $40 for a lot of them.

 

[ju112]

You can find public results for free of CG and spin players online. Hundreds of player have hourly > $50.

Exactly as you would find roulette players winning consistently if there were a worldwide roulette players database.

All poker players learn the same techniques. What is much more interesting is the AI research around it. But even with that, scientists and media often not understand the extent of poker's variance. Here an AI who beat 5 other players on 10k hands. It has been featured in Forbes. LOL.

 

[nusb0]

Exactly as you would find roulette players winning consistently if there were a worldwide roulette players database.

All poker players learn the same techniques. What is much more interesting is the AI research around it. But even with that, scientists and media often not understand the extent of poker's variance. Here an AI who beat 5 other players on 10k hands. It has been featured in Forbes. LOL.

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What's the point with the AI ? It's not possible for a poker player to beat good AI, every player know it.

Majority of regular players underestimate a lot the variance (card distribution and all-in EV), not me. I'm in the bottom since many years...

But you can join insurance groups and play lower stakes (better edge) to reduce the variance.

 

[Gogol]

i own you

Hopefully not.

 

[ju112]

What's the point with the AI ? It's not possible for a poker player to beat good AI, every player know it.

Majority of regular players underestimate a lot the variance (card distribution and all-in EV), not me. I'm in the bottom since many years...

But you can join insurance groups and play lower stakes (better edge) to reduce the variance.

This is where Poker can lead to philosophical discussions

Poker does not rely only on probabilities / EV (which are basic to compute) but on standardised betting strategies. I don't pretend that AI wins over humans or the opposite, my main conclusion on poker is that it's a closed system where players fight to have a hedge and therefore to trick or surprise the other players.

There is no end with this game: the winner will start to lose when he cannot surprise anymore. Many people compare poker to art, and I agree with them. In art, the valuable stuff at the time T is often the most disruptive one. In poker, this is the same in my opinion.

Saying that someone is consistently EV+ makes absolutely no sense. He's EV+ until everyone knows how he plays poker.

It's a closed system, there is no winning strategy in the long term, it's mainly a question of playing standards, and how to disrupt them without breaking your probabilities.

 

[nusb0]

Will be my last anwser bcs you're making too many mistakes:

- best players can play billion times vs good GTO AI (far to be perfect) and they will lose 1 billion times on long term. It's not philosophy...
- Since GTO solvers are available to public (~2015), all regulars playing more and more the same style. And regulars have kind of same winrates also (depending on variance obv)
- we'll see winnng players till recreative players play this game.