Do PBN Hosting registered with the same email BAD?

[prosperitybro]

I plan to build a small project for my PBN and consider hosting it in a couple of cloud hosting.

The thing I wonder about as a beginner is

Is it harmful to my PBN if I sign up for the couples hostings with the same Gmail or with a different Gmail (but all the Gmail is connecting via phone or recovery email)?

And could you please share with me a recommended cloud hosting for PBN?

 

[TheMarquis]

First of all, avoid any G service for this kind of project. It's a footprint. Second, using the same e-mail is a footprint.
Thanks to @Nargil, take a look here: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/i-need-a-pbn-course-or-complete-manual.1398233/#post-15162793

 

[prosperitybro]

Thank you for the guideline mate

any recommended email service?
do hotmail better?

 

[TheMarquis]

"Diversity" is the main point. There are a ton of e-mail providers, hotmail being one of them. In the mentioned comment, above, you will find all the information.

Cheers!

 

[SirLouen]

It doesn't matter that you register hosting with the same email. Email is not publicly visible.

As already mentioned, except for Google services, that you must avoid for obvious reasons, the rest of the services in the world are technically not controlled (or yes, who knows?) by Google. Therefore it technically doesn't matter if you register a ton of servers with the same email as long as you buy a different IP for each site. If you are going for a Cloud VPS service, just make sure to associate multiple IP for each hostname you associate to one particular virtual server.

 

[prosperitybro]

It doesn't matter that you register hosting with the same email. Email is not publicly visible.

As already mentioned, except for Google services, that you must avoid for obvious reasons, the rest of the services in the world are technically not controlled (or yes, who knows?) by Google. Therefore it technically doesn't matter if you register a ton of servers with the same email as long as you buy a different IP for each site. If you are going for a Cloud VPS service, just make sure to associate multiple IP for each hostname you associate to one particular virtual server

is this the same too for the domain registar?
example all my pbn domain are in the same godaddy account

 

[SirLouen]

is this the same too for the domain registar?
example all my pbn domain are in the same godaddy account

It all depends on how you set up your contacts in the registrar. Theorically you can fine tune an email for each domain and contact. But if you share the same email for all contacts then you leave a footprint there.
You can also set up the privacy in the registrar to save this issue. But generally having a ton of domains in a PBN with the same registrar with the same privacy, doesn't send a good signal to the bots. Sometimes it's even recommended to leave some domains without privacy and just set up a random contact with an email you control but varies from domain to domain. The ownage of the domains other than the contact email is completely irrelevant 90% of the times (unless you own a super-site/domain that it's worth thousands of dollars).

 

[prosperitybro]

in the registrar to save this issue. But generally having a ton of domains in a PBN with the same registrar with the same privacy, doesn't send a good signal to the bots. Sometimes it's even recommended to leave some domains without privacy and just set up a random contact with an email you control but varie

thank you SirLouen

 

[laur.laurix]

I have like 300 websites in one of my PBN under 5 emails no issue in 4 years.....but Don't use Gmail for fuck sake.

 

[J0E]

I would never do that.

Registering your PBN domains under one registrar can hurt your entire network. On the other hand, registering all domains with one shared hosting is 100x worse.

Never rely on Cloudflare to hide your IP. Cloudflare itself is a red flag, IMO. Maybe you can avoid getting caught within the first month or year. But once the shit hits the fan, your domains will be useless.

I never used Gmail or any other Google service (Like Google docs or Search console) throughout the whole process. We already know big G uses AI to scan email content (e.g., for spam detection, email categorization, etc.) -- who knows what else. I never even log in to my PBNs via Google Chrome but use Firefox instead. (Maybe I am a bit paranoid here)

Better safe than sorry.

 

[laur.laurix]

I would never do that.

Registering your PBN domains under one registrar can hurt your entire network. On the other hand, registering all domains with one shared hosting is 100x worse.

Never rely on Cloudflare to hide your IP. Cloudflare itself is a red flag, IMO. Maybe you can avoid getting caught within the first month or year. But once the shit hits the fan, your domains will be useless.

I never used Gmail or any other Google service (Like Google docs or Search console) throughout the whole process. We already know big G uses AI to scan email content (e.g., for spam detection, email categorization, etc.) -- who knows what else. I never even log in to my PBNs via Google Chrome but use Firefox instead. (Maybe I am a bit paranoid here)

Better safe than sorry.

You give too much credit to G.......The registrar part is not true you can register hundreds of domains on the same registrar with no issue....think about it....GoDaddy has millions of domains registered it's impossible to detect a footprint. I bet websites like NYtimes has 1000x backlinks coming only from GoDaddy registered domains....I don't see a penalty incoming....hosting them on the same host is a diff story.

 

[J0E]

You give too much credit to G......

Am I?

.The registrar part is not true you can register hundreds of domains on the same registrar with no issue....think about it....

I have been building/utilizing PBNs since 2009. I made many mistakes at first, and I am speaking out of personal experience. Rule#1: Avoid footprints!

GoDaddy has millions of domains registered it's impossible to detect a footprint. I bet websites like NYtimes has 1000x backlinks coming only from GoDaddy registered domains....I don't see a penalty incoming....hosting them on the same host is a diff story.

NYTimes probably has 10-20% backlinks from GoDaddy registered domains and the remaining backlinks from other registrars. Check this page: https://ntldstats.com/registrar

If all your PBN domains are registered on the same registrar, we both know this is a red flag!

Could it pass? Maybe but could bite you in the ass anytime.

Good luck, OP. Consider reading @janist AMAs about PBNs here on the forum. This guy is one of the solid people out there that are very knowledgeable about PBNs and is kind enough to share his knowledge with others.

 

[seomaster5]

Do not use gmail for this, they can track and they do track.

 

[laur.laurix]

Am I?

I have been building/utilizing PBNs since 2009. I made many mistakes at first, and I am speaking out of personal experience. Rule#1: Avoid footprints!

NYTimes probably has 10-20% backlinks from GoDaddy registered domains and the remaining backlinks from other registrars. Check this page: https://ntldstats.com/registrar

If all your PBN domains are registered on the same registrar, we both know this is a red flag!

Could it pass? Maybe but could bite you in the ass anytime.

Good luck, OP. Consider reading @janist AMAs about PBNs here on the forum. This guy is one of the solid people out there that are very knowledgeable about PBNs and is kind enough to share his knowledge with others.

Registering all your PBNs domains with a single registrar is a sure penalty but if you register like 80% you will be fine.

 

[prosperitybro]

So for many PBN in each dedicated cloud server within 1 account with 1 email is not dangerous?

 

[philcav77]

It literally takes a couple minutes to setup an email account. Why not just make an email for each domain using the domain name?
It’s super easy to do PBN1@hotmail, PBN2@yahoo, PBN3@outlook, PBN4@live, PBN5@hotmail
Replace “PBN#” with the actual domain name.

Whois privacy is pretty standard these days. Most registrars have it turned on automatically. I don’t think it’s much of a red flag now, but diversity doesn’t hurt.

Vary your registrars a bit. They don’t all have to be different, but balance them out. I’d also use different renewal terms/times as well. (2yr, 3yr, etc)

Mix up your hosting providers as well.

All the things that make building and managing a PBN a hassle are the things that create diversity. It will take multiple providers and a whole bunch of logins. Make a spreadsheet for each site and organize the information.

 

[rankpowerhouse]

Is it harmful to my PBN if I sign up for the couples hostings with the same Gmail or with a different Gmail?

Yes, it's just about the best way to compromise your network