What is the safest messenger?

[SchanzenHaider]

Hello BHW,
here in my country there is will be a new law soon, called chat controll, were the manufacturers of mobile devices will be forced to install some kind of AI to scan every single message you sent for criminal activity, on the device...

This AI has an error rate of 80%, and will automatically make a report to the police.

I'm not into that 1984 shite, and dont want them to scan my messages.

I need to know how I can stay private. I don't think a simple encrypted messenger is enough, since they scan on the device, before the message is sent.

Do you guyw have some ideas or input for me?

 

[Chris Newman]

the manufacturers of mobile devices will be forced to install some kind of AI to scan every single message you sent

What ? Such surveillance that intrudes so much into privacy, perhaps cannot happen in any country except 2 or 3 countries out of the 195 countries. Either you are living in one of those 2 or 3 countries OR the information you are relying on is not correct OR there is some information that you have not correctly understood.

 

[ArnoldMC77]

Protonmail is good.

 

[SchanzenHaider]

What ? Such surveillance that intrudes so much into privacy, perhaps cannot happen in any country except 2 or 3 countries out of the 195 countries. Either you are living in one of those 2 or 3 countries OR the information you are relying on is not correct OR there is some information that you have not correctly understood.

I thought so aswell first, but im living in Germany. I'll find some links on that coming law and share you here

 

[Setox]

the safest messenger ? a self coded p2p one.

 

[shuttershades]

Check this out. https://secretum.io/

 

[Chris Newman]

Check this out. https://secretum.io/

The drawback with the one you shared is that the messaging can be done only between wallet holders and as of now not everyone has embraced crypto. So, even if OP has embraced crypto, many of peers may not have (as yet).
But, you having shared it is good. It was something new for me & perhaps OP as well. Although I am "cryptofied", what you shared is new to me ... it's mentioned on their website (I am copy/pasting) : "By inserting wallet public address you can start chatting with other NFT, Crypto and token holders". Unique utility value. Thanks for sharing.

 

[SchanzenHaider]

What ? Such surveillance that intrudes so much into privacy, perhaps cannot happen in any country except 2 or 3 countries out of the 195 countries. Either you are living in one of those 2 or 3 countries OR the information you are relying on is not correct OR there is some information that you have not correctly understood.

Ok, so here are the most important informations directly by a member of the EU parliament: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/


1.0 : https://peertube.european-pirates.eu/videos/watch/d64e6e10-0ad0-4b37-8813-3f5bc329f03b

This is chat controll 1.0, what is already implemented, and 2.0, which is much worse, is seemingly coming soon. I can barely find information on 2.0 outside of german sources, but here is a video from an established german IT blogger with some leaked info, from minute 25:20 :

The more i think about it, the worse it gets for marketing purposes

 

[LemonAcid]

I'm not into that 1984 shite, and dont want them to scan my messages.

Time to go off grid... Joke aside

I heard about this fully private app called

"Message in a bottle"

Might wanna check it out, thank me later

 

[Naughtyfatkid]

Check out Signal.

 

[Chris Newman]

leaked info

Could be inaccurate or twisted info.

 

[Yrior]

Check out Signal.

Surprised no one besides you suggested what probably OP is looking for.

If that didnt work then I'm afraid you will need one of these

 

[srdjan87]

Check out Signal.

This. The best

 

[leechesBleechin]

Self-hosted element/matrix is a good option as well. Also probably ditch any phones you acquire locally which is probably your main concern.

 

[Chris Newman]

Could be inaccurate or twisted info.

@SchanzenHaider As you said "leaked info" and it is a YouTube video, many YouTubers would very tactfully twist info in their video's headline, video's thumbnail and video content, in an expectation for the video to go viral. It is so tactful that perhaps a billion people (me included) on Earth would believe the twisted info without knowing that the info is twisted.
Can't even imagine what's next on show for us !!! We are getting "consumed" and the smartest of the smart are "eating" us and laughing all the way to the bank. And that bank will no longer be there in a few years, only crypto ATMs & no leather wallets, only crypto wallets in smartphones. WAIT, side by side smartphones also will get outdated !!!
My dear, does'nt it seem I am exaggerating ? To me it does seem so. But the fact is this will all be a reality very soon. It has already started !!!