Full ID Verification Process for Marketplace Sellers

[Deleted Member 112605]

It is funny - I posted a reply before this, and now when I check it, I see that I only quoted blue members who had raised some points. I didn't do that intentionally, or as a reply to your post (because I posted it before you made this post).

It is a discussion. Most people want to reduce scamming. Raising concerns or flaws will help to roll out a solid process. So, welcome them.

I agree. It should be a discussion. I think those people raised valid points, and I was in process of responding to you.

I'm not a fan of people turning this against me and saying I'm whining because I got threatened by another Jr. VIP when I seem to be suggesting something that was already in motion by the BHW staff.

 

[crnack]

If you want, you can always capture your face and use it on your avatar. I gues there would be 30 percent less marketplace threads after implementing this.

 

[Deleted Member 112605]

Don’t be too sure about that. Some of us non yellows are just holding back for a more official thread to vote against this.

This isn’t a reflection of my intents or my affinity for this forum. I’ll still be around but I probably wouldn’t sell anymore. Hard pass on handing over my IDs.

I wasn't trying to broadbrush the topic, but when people were saying the idea was delusial I simply based the general blue response on the first page as a metric.

 

[dumbles]

buyer' protection plan looks superb however at what cost? you may need to drop the word '''blackhat''' from the name as a result of marketers return here to shop for and sell things that are out there solely in black market.

losing obscurity will cause you lose venders on your platform.

any product or service seller will have to place trust on blackhatworld employees for his or her safety.

what if the authorities knock blackhatworld to search out the sellers of cloaking services, smm panel owners, social media account sellers, pbn sellers, virtual card sellers? can blackhatworld protect them from the authorities?

several countries have weird laws for web markting.

can you be able to save mass instagraam dm and mass email accounts and service suppliers from european authorities?


escrow is the best choice for the buyers, sellers and also the forum.



I'm wandering if it's allowed to collection private data of users together with facial identification video of european users underneath GDPR law.

pupils can put faith in ur cto but can they put faith in ur legal team and intention agains the web giants and authorities

 

[Deleted Member 112605]

buyer' protection plan looks superb however at what cost? you may need to drop the word '''blackhat''' from the name as a result of marketers return here to shop for and sell things that are out there solely in black market.

losing obscurity will cause you lose venders on your platform.

any product or service seller will have to place trust on blackhatworld employees for his or her safety.

what if the authorities knock blackhatworld to search out the sellers of cloaking services, smm panel owners, social media account sellers, pbn sellers, virtual card sellers? can blackhatworld protect them from the authorities?

several countries have weird laws for web markting.

can you be able to save mass instagraam dm and mass email accounts and service suppliers from european authorities?


escrow is the best choice for the buyers, sellers and also the forum.



I'm wandering if it's allowed to collection private data of users together with facial identification video of european users underneath GDPR law.

pupils can put faith in ur cto but can they put faith in ur legal team and intention agains the web giants and authorities

That's totally a fair point.

 

[valetflowers]

I agree. It should be a discussion. I think those people raised valid points, and I was in process of responding to you.

I'm not a fan of people turning this against me and saying I'm whining because I got threatened by another Jr. VIP when I seem to be suggesting something that was already in motion by the BHW staff.

In motion of digging their own grave? No I don’t think so this forum owner is not some ordinary person he will definitely know why this forum has gone up while others are dying.

I wasn't trying to broadbrush the topic, but when people were saying the idea was delusial I simply based the general blue response on the first page as a metric.

your metric is just a 97$ away with age of 2 months so don’t worry it’s not a heavy metric,Blue or Non-Blue but you seem to be judgemental based on your attitude.And yes I did read where you said you ask for ID but wait you are a security guy? By face you look like you have a team and those work for you whereass you keep whining here just because some random person doxxed you and you can’t save your ass.

Escrow seems good to me but your opinions are more personal rather than an overall suggestions.

 

[valetflowers]

buyer' protection plan looks superb however at what cost? you may need to drop the word '''blackhat''' from the name as a result of marketers return here to shop for and sell things that are out there solely in black market.

losing obscurity will cause you lose venders on your platform.

any product or service seller will have to place trust on blackhatworld employees for his or her safety.

what if the authorities knock blackhatworld to search out the sellers of cloaking services, smm panel owners, social media account sellers, pbn sellers, virtual card sellers? can blackhatworld protect them from the authorities?

several countries have weird laws for web markting.

can you be able to save mass instagraam dm and mass email accounts and service suppliers from european authorities?


escrow is the best choice for the buyers, sellers and also the forum.



I'm wandering if it's allowed to collection private data of users together with facial identification video of european users underneath GDPR law.

pupils can put faith in ur cto but can they put faith in ur legal team and intention agains the web giants and authorities

This is it, BHW will simply die if ID Verification comes into place.

Any forum runs with its users wish and their demands and if they aren’t met,The forum simply dies.

 

[crnack]

Id verification and my untaxed income... Sounds bad...

 

[smmexcellent]

good idea, more security for the entire BHW market

 

[crnack]

Imagine someone asking for ID on darknet market. This place is not very close to darknet markets, but some services are clearly about breaking the TOS of YT, FB and so on.

 

[valetflowers]

Man, something must've really pissed you off if you're attacking my profile picture now.

Your suggestion is more personal than an overall betterment of the community,I run a company too and it’s so easy for my competitor to dox me and do negative SEO at me.I am pissed because I have been in your situation,Thought about this and later joined this forum just because it gives you so much of privacy and gold content here.
ID Verification comes - I am out of this forum and not only me but most sellers will either stop selling,Move to some other forum or they might simply find an alternate because your situation is unavoidable as far as it is portrayed.Good luck but no one is gonna agree for ID Verification especially the service sellers and people who want privacy and anonymity online.

 

[Deleted Member 112605]

Your suggestion is more personal than an overall betterment of the community,I run a company too and it’s so easy for my competitor to dox me and do negative SEO at me.I am pissed because I have been in your situation,Thought about this and later joined this forum just because it gives you so much of privacy and gold content here.
ID Verification comes - I am out of this forum and not only me but most sellers will either stop selling,Move to some other forum or they might simply find an alternate because your situation is unavoidable as far as it is portrayed.Good luck but no one is gonna agree for ID Verification especially the service sellers and people who want privacy and anonymity online.

Let's just be friends man <3

 

[Deleted member 1258334]

If you want, you can always capture your face and use it on your avatar. I gues there would be 30 percent less marketplace threads after implementing this.

See, this right here is the problem.
Sure, there might be less scams over time, but at what cost? The marketplace is a section of the forum so big that if it were to see a decrease in activity, everyone would be affected by it, even those who don't involve in it. That's why even yellow members are against your motion.

It doesn't take a lot to understand that, in the long run, this will be harmful for the forum.

 

[valetflowers]

Do I start a smm panel here and decide to provide my ID with a back thought that okay authorities can be knocking my door anytime? Hell no privacy is what makes BHW a BHW and it’s name is clearly giving you privacy rights.

 

[xReminisce]

Sounds like you are listening in on the staff meetings... have you hacked our internal messaging/meeting system?

I have wired the meeting room

My only thoughts is, ID is quite easily "forged".
After all, there was someone selling fake ID here earlier in the year in BHW before they went MIA...
I am sure you guys have thought up countermeasures to prevent this too.
I still personally think an Escrow would be a better option than an Full ID Verification.

 

[LootBox]

Oh great, another verification service for Russians to bypass & sell. I see no way this can go wrong.

 

[Deleted member 658642]

@valetflowers seems to be taking this way too personally lol
I agree with @xReminisce I’m all for escrow.

 

[valetflowers]

I have wired the meeting room

My only thoughts is, ID is quite easily "forged".
After all, there was someone selling fake ID here earlier in the year in BHW before they went MIA...
I am sure you guys have thought up countermeasures to prevent this too.
I still personally think an Escrow would be a better option than an Full ID Verification.

Escrow is good but not for a cheap product like 5-10 or the smaller ones,Bigger ones yes they do matter.Escrow for small services is harmful for buyer as well as seller because things get more difficult,long and time consuming which will move people away from this forum.

 

[valetflowers]

@valetflowers seems to be taking this way too personally lol
I agree with @xReminisce I’m all for escrow.

I have been in same situation so(

 

[Deleted Member 112605]

Based off what I've seen in this thread, it basically comes down to the following:

1.) Can you trust BHW with your private information?

2.) Why provide the security measure if people are going to find ways to bypass it anyway?

3.) Would BHW be able to protect sellers from authorities / corporations?

4.) Why have verification measures if Escrow is already in place?


Am I missing anything? Feel free to let me know.


And I suppose my response would be:

1.) You already trust BHW with your private information, passwords, IPs, billing information, etc.

2.) Raising the standards for entry will provide better products & services for the marketplace.

3.) A valid question. A good question for the mods.

4.) I think Escrow is going to happen for certain transactions no matter if the extra security measures are in place or not. This verification measure is for more peace-of-mind for non-Escrow transactions.


Again, I'm open to discussion, feedback, and criticism. I obviously had a bad experience with a BST seller today, but that doesn't mean I'm emotionally charged or rejecting all dissent on this topic. I feel like I've been pretty calm about this entire situation, and I've been pretty open to everyone's opinion.