Covid vaccine.

[thescrrr]

After all talks about Israel in this thread, the vaccine seems to work on the severe cases, and bring that down even if it does not stop the spread.

Numbers of the severe cases in the different categories of vaccination from the Israeli Health Ministry.

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Just my 2 cents in this heated debate .. ,-)

dude, they don't even understand their own sources. You'll just confuse them with graphs.

 

[RichardDOT]

 

[Willyfish]

dude, they don't even understand their own sources. You'll just confuse them with graphs.

With your pro vaccine propaganda saying people should not social distance first and put all their faith in the vaccine, Israel is obligated to do a lockdown again... shows a lot about what relying on the vaccine alone is doing... You have no idea if the declining protection of the vaccine will not further decline (which is highly probable)

Wear your mask, social distance, and don't take the covid lightly after your vaccine.

 

[Deleted member 708208]

You can always talk to @Willyfish
He is a DR and a Nigerian prince.

 

[thescrrr]

With your pro vaccine propaganda saying people should not social distance first and put all their faith in the vaccine, Israel is obligated to do a lockdown again... shows a lot about what relying on the vaccine alone is doing... You have no idea if the declining protection of the vaccine will not further decline (which is highly probable)

Wear your mask, social distance, and don't take the covid lightly after your vaccine.

It's really hard to argue with you because you genuinely don't understand how vaccines work, and I don't say this offend you. It's just what it is.

The delta variant is more infectious among vaccinated people too, but the vaccine still protects them against severe symptoms. So no the vaccine isn't failed lol, and Israel considering the lockdown because there are still 1.1M unvaccinated.

I know I know, the media and Israel are bought by big pharma, but still, you may want to read this, as it quotes Israeli officials.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/among...-covid-rate-six-times-higher-if-unvaccinated/

"Under 60s are feeling the benefit of vaccines in avoiding serious illness, as are those above that age. For every 100,000 people under 60 who are not vaccinated, 1.6 are in serious condition with the coronavirus. Among the fully vaccinated the figure is 0.5.

The stats come as Israel’s government is trying hard to convince the 1.1 million citizens who are eligible for vaccines but failing to take shots that they should do so.

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has spoken out harshly against vaccine refusers, and ministers are reportedly considering financial incentives to get them to inoculate. They are believed to take the view that convincing the many teenagers who are failing to vaccinate but pose a significant risk as spreaders of infection would be an effective way to prevent another lockdown."

So yes, the Israeli government isn't stupid, they want to vaccinate the remaining 1.1M people to avoid a lockdown.

 

[Willyfish]

It's really hard to argue with you because you genuinely don't understand how vaccines work, and I don't say this offend you. It's just what it is.

The delta variant is more infectious among vaccinated people too, but the vaccine still protects them against severe symptoms. So no the vaccine isn't failed lol, and Israel considering the lockdown because there are still 1.1M unvaccinated.

I know I know, the media and Israel are bought by big pharma, but still, you may want to read this, as it quotes Israeli officials.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/among-older-israelis-serious-covid-rate-six-times-higher-if-unvaccinated/

"Under 60s are feeling the benefit of vaccines in avoiding serious illness, as are those above that age. For every 100,000 people under 60 who are not vaccinated, 1.6 are in serious condition with the coronavirus. Among the fully vaccinated the figure is 0.5.

The stats come as Israel’s government is trying hard to convince the 1.1 million citizens who are eligible for vaccines but failing to take shots that they should do so.

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has spoken out harshly against vaccine refusers, and ministers are reportedly considering financial incentives to get them to inoculate. They are believed to take the view that convincing the many teenagers who are failing to vaccinate but pose a significant risk as spreaders of infection would be an effective way to prevent another lockdown."

So yes, the Israeli government isn't stupid, they want to vaccinate the remaining 1.1M people to avoid a lockdown.

I know you are not stupid and you don't mean to offend me.

And I want to believe I am wrong if it's the case, so I will continue my road and check in 3 months when 90% of people get vaccinated if countries will all be lockdown again and if the vaccine is a failure and highly unsuffiscient with the mutations.

I don't say the vaccine is bad or is a micro-chip or whatever. The problem with a lot of vaccinated people is that they don't care about the measures anymore because they are vaccinated... They don't wear a mask, they cough on each other in the street and it's why we have a lockdown again in Israel, covid deniers are the same assholes.

I am all about wearing a mask and protect people by social distancing since 1 year. I only say that the focus should be to reinforce the social distancing and protective measures on an individual level rather than telling people if they vaccinate they are okay and do what they want. Israel is in lockdown again because of this.

Overly relying on vaccines and not keeping the social distancing discourse which I always follow vaccine or not...

The shift from "be careful and respect social distancing" to "get vaccinated and hug each other in nightclubs" is what pisses me off.

I hope it makes sense and I hope people stay safe, vaccinated or not.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

I like how you only reply by "oh you spread BS, oh no you are wrong" yet you asked for data and fact before, which I just showed you and you show me nothing in return.

Because all your data is fake or nonsense.

It's fact, look again at what I wrote, Israel is the pioneer country with the most vaccinated people yet it is doing a lockdown again...

Because this is a virus. Like the flu. It mutates if it keeps rolling. No use vaccinating as long as antivaxxers keep spreading it. If 100% had taken the vaccine, nobody would spread it.

I agree with them, the vaccine is not safe

Agree with who? Antivaxxers.

Stop the vaccine BS

There is no vaccine BS, only antivaxxer BS. You have zero peer-reviewed scientific arguments, just four-chan /r/conspiracy grade stuff that makes no sense.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

So you have "increased risks of myocarditis and pericarditis" ... and we don't know anything about "potential longterm sequelae" .

So this "vaccine" might give you cancer , make you infertile or destroy your DNA . It has "not been evaluated" for this yet ...

You're deliberately not mentioning numbers. Your chance to have any of those illnesses after the vaccine are 1 in a billion.

And the live virus is much worse.

Plus, anything you eat right now is 100x worse than any of those risks.

You antivaxxers have zero to go on. It's ridiculous nonsense. You're more likely to die crossing a street than from the vaccine. Why are you so determined to sabotage the only known protection against this virus?

 

[tordo123]

@bartosimpsonio

You're deliberately not mentioning numbers.

I'm pretty sure statements like :

COMIRNATY has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, or impairment of male fertility

means that the "numbers" do not exist . We know nothing about this yet .

Stop pretending like we already understand all the risks . We don't .

You antivaxxers have zero to go on. It's ridiculous nonsense.

So a document from the FDA is "zero to go on" ?

While you keep consuming the media propaganda , the FDA is quietly admitting the truth ... but you still won't believe it ...

 

[cafaga]

I didn't get a vaccine.
I got the real thing when I was in Brazil.
Now I have antibodies until the end of the year.
I plan to get a vaccine in January though.
I don't want to go through covid again, it's really annoying.

 

[tordo123]

Your chance to have any of those illnesses after the vaccine are 1 in a billion.

Nobody knows the chances , because these things weren't studied yet (see FDA paper) .

So how can you claim the chances are 1 in a billion ?

Have a time machine?

or

You made it up?

Plus, anything you eat right now is 100x worse than any of those risks.

So having a healthy diet increases my chances of myocarditis ? (like the vaccine does , see FDA paper)



It's funny how you're claiming :

You antivaxxers have zero to go on. It's ridiculous nonsense.

While I'm posting a legitimate FDA paper which mentions the risks ...

And you are posting actual "ridiculous nonsense" statements like those two above ...

Very ironic ...

 

[polecat]

You can always talk to @Willyfish
He is a DR and a Nigerian prince.

@Willyfish Dear Nigerian prince where that $2million you promised me and where that BMW?

 

[tongat]

I got vaccinated. Now, I'm feeling drowsy. Isn't normal?

very normal and i have a great 5 G signal which i'm using with my 13th finger

 

[annabelle_]

@annabelle_



Because a mRNA vaccine has a lot more potential for harm than a flu like virus . Seems like common sense ...


Coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1960s and were circulating long before then .

Even if this specific virus may be new , it's still very similar .

The point is , these types of viruses have been around us for a long time and a lot of people were infected with them .

We understand them pretty well ...



Now compare with mRNA vaccines:

How many mRNA vaccines have you taken besides the covid one ?

NONE . Because they've only been around for less than one year ...

But , in only one year , billions of people injected this thing into themselves .

And we still can't answer the question : "What will happen to them?"

The answer is : "We don't know ..."



People thought they are getting a "safe and effective" vaccine .

Instead they get to be part of a trial study (with a sample size of billions) with unknown results ...

So you're another co-called "expert" that learnt everything on the internet and now is being a smartass. Im crying T-T
Sapienti sat.

 

[polecat]

very normal and i have a great 5 G signal which i'm using with my 13th finger

Glad to know someone on the same wave signal as me since I being picked up 5 G on my finger being selling my internet service to Sky for £5000 a month so far I may ask for more money next month

 

[tordo123]

@annabelle_

So you're another co-called "expert" that learnt everything on the internet and now is being a smartass. Im crying T-T
Sapienti sat.

So instead of actually refuting what I said , you go for the insult .

Pretty typical from people like you ...

 

[annabelle_]

@annabelle_



So instead of actually refuting what I said , you go for the insult .

Pretty typical from people like you ...

Nah it's not an insult my friend. Rather a fact. And it's pretty pointless to try to explain anything to people who are anti-science and whose opinions are totally unbased

 

[andyframpton]

Nah it's not an insult my friend. Rather a fact. And it's pretty pointless to try to explain anything to people who are anti-science and whose opinions are totally unbased

Why even bother with this idiot.
He joined to troll these posts.
4 post count. That says it all to me.

 

[tordo123]

@annabelle_

Nah it's not an insult my friend. Rather a fact. And it's pretty pointless to try to explain anything to people who are anti-science and whose opinions are totally unbased

I'm not anti-science . So, go on ... educate me

Why is what I said , wrong?

Do you need a PHD to understand that mRNA being so new makes it potentially a lot riskier than the covid virus?

And that's it's still too early and we don't fully understand the risks yet?

What's anti-science in this?

 

[Gillyrocker]

Don't worry. It's normal.