Do the panels lie about what they offer?

[MRik]

Hey,

I know that panels 'bend the truth' - like if they say HR views will average from x to y minutes, the reality is you are only ever getting x. In fact in my experience slightly less than x. Once you know that, you can make an informed decision. If they say the views will be from 3 mins to 20 mins long... you can buy on the assumption you are buying 3 minute views. These 'lies'/embellishments I understand.

I wanted to know if the descriptions are true. As they use a lot of 'organic' or 'real' in front of the word views. They suggest you may get real engagement as these are real views. I don't get how they can be real views - I mean not at these prices, and I also don't get how they can advertise them as such - if they are not actually real.

For example:

YouTube | Views from Related Video

Views can generate extra views, likes, subscribers, this depends on your video quality. Views are coming from real active Youtube users, that's why it's completely safe for ads, and it increases the rank of the target video.

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I mean the prices are as low as the normal views, or not vastly larger for sure. Are you really getting what it says - real views from active Youtube users? I just can't believe this is true. And I can't believe that noone would call them [any of the panels] out on this, if it wasn't true.

This isn't about any one panel - as it seems they almost all list items like this.​

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Is this a 'slight' blurring of the lines? Are they giving you bot views from 'active' Youtube user accounts [so what they wrote is technically true], and then giving you some botted likes and subs to make you feel good about the transaction?

I would love any insight into what the descriptions actually mean. What you are actually getting. I guess as this is not regulated [obs] they just write what ever they want. And I guess as all the threads are for people to beg for free samples - there are no real discussions either

Thanks for any help/insight/abuse



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[SmmFlix]

In most of the panel descriptions are copy pasted/crawled as they resell from another panel. So you can't rely on the description

 

[MRik]

Right.

The one I copied above is from one of the 'big' panels.... I don't want to name them, as I don't think this applies to one panel but all of them.

I went with the views - they do just seem like normal bot views - as they are arriving super fast, and obs not watching any of the video... and so far 0 engagement...

I guess it's lies.... and maybe it's crazy to pay extra - when you are getting the standard low retention bot views either way [that is still a guess on my part]

 

[crnack]

Hi,

you can logically break down the problem.

The panels are doing something that is not allowed.

They take it one step further and tell fake promises.

Why?

They want you to pay and they don't care if you come back.

The trick is you won't buy from them 2nd time since they can't provide real service.

Maybe you will even buy 2 or 3 times to verify if what they're saying is true.

Scammers are everywhere. Sometimes you can't see it clearly. And that's why the scam works.

 

[MRik]

That all makes sense

What doesn't make sense - is the lack of accountability in threads here?

I mean BHW is amazing and their S/List is proof of that

Why isn't there a thread that shows what people's actual experiences are. This would force the 'good actors' to act good - to gain business from BHW users.

Yes some will not worry and just leave things as they are and rely on outside [of BHW] for their business

is this a case of everyone knows this, BHW obviously profits from their listings - and as everyone knows this is the case, there's no point in them causing any issues????

I just don't get why they get 'tested'/reviewed before they can have a listing thread to sell from - if truly what they are selling is not what they are describing? How did they all pass the review process?

Anyway - thanks again for the feedback.

 

[crnack]

That all makes sense

What doesn't make sense - is the lack of accountability in threads here?

I mean BHW is amazing and their S/List is proof of that

Why isn't there a thread that shows what people's actual experiences are. This would force the 'good actors' to act good - to gain business from BHW users.

Yes some will not worry and just leave things as they are and rely on outside [of BHW] for their business

is this a case of everyone knows this, BHW obviously profits from their listings - and as everyone knows this is the case, there's no point in them causing any issues????

I just don't get why they get 'tested'/reviewed before they can have a listing thread to sell from - if truly what they are selling is not what they are describing? How did they all pass the review process?

Anyway - thanks again for the feedback.

Talking from the experience, I bought maybe 20 services here.

Most of them worked. Quality was better than fiverr or FB groups or SEOClerks.

It would be quite difficult to prove the job was completely flawed if a seller can provide the report.

As long as the work is delivered and they can prove it, you have to do a lot.

Nobody will bother about views for $20. This is not the type of marketplace where people ask to put logo on their website for $5.

People here are spending 1000s daily. They don't have time to write reviews for all those services.

If something sticks, they continue to buy. If something is flawed, they will just not get reccuring customers.

Mods are verifying if the job is delivered.

I don't think they do thorough fact-check. They don't take care to make sure every single seller will get reccuring clients.

If you are seriously unsatisfied with the service, open that slist thread.

It's really difficult to provide what you demand. I don't think you will be satisfied with something that isn't truly bespoke.

 

[iki]

Yes ofc they lie. Use your own sense when ordering services, try with small quantity, or best don't use them at all, find some real ways to grow channel, pages.

 

[SmmFlix]

That all makes sense

What doesn't make sense - is the lack of accountability in threads here?

I mean BHW is amazing and their S/List is proof of that

Why isn't there a thread that shows what people's actual experiences are. This would force the 'good actors' to act good - to gain business from BHW users.

Yes some will not worry and just leave things as they are and rely on outside [of BHW] for their business

is this a case of everyone knows this, BHW obviously profits from their listings - and as everyone knows this is the case, there's no point in them causing any issues????

I just don't get why they get 'tested'/reviewed before they can have a listing thread to sell from - if truly what they are selling is not what they are describing? How did they all pass the review process?

Anyway - thanks again for the feedback.

Well in the testing phase they provide the actual hq service. The comes the game of cheap pricing and they need to make fake promises to keep the cut as well. You kno what I mean

 

[crnack]

Well in the testing phase they provide the actual hq service. The comes the game of cheap pricing and they need to make fake promises to keep the cut as well. You kno what I mean

So report them. There is nothing wrong with snitching despite what people can tell you on the streets.

 

[MRik]

The comments are correct [above] that for $20 people don't bother to 'report' companies

I'm not really talking about slist or reporting as such - those are both next level...

I just mean, rather than their threads being full of 'free sample please' - shouldn't we put feedback from jobs... I guess those will disappear in avalanche of 'sample me/review copy me' posts.

I get that they deliver on the number/time frame [usually] but if they promise the service is organic or real views... and it's not - isn't that just as bad. Haven't they in effect not actually delivered the job.

Right for this job:

YouTube | Views from Related Video

Views can generate extra views, likes, subscribers, this depends on your video quality. Views are coming from real active Youtube users, that's why it's completely safe for ads, and it increases the rank of the target video.​

If [after the job has been done] I looked at the analytics, where SHOULD it say these views came from? I know they will still likely be bot views, but where should YT say they came from. As if it says somewhere else, that's total proof they have mislabelled/miss sold the views.

I already believe they can't be 'real active Youtube users' - well obviously that is under the definition of how it's represented to buyers. I'm sure there is a way to weasel out of that wording...

Thanks again everyone

Though it is strange that everyone knows [as I did myself, more or less from the OP] that they are lying... maybe we get the SMM panels we deserve?

 

[crnack]

The comments are correct [above] that for $20 people don't bother to 'report' companies

I'm not really talking about slist or reporting as such - those are both next level...

I just mean, rather than their threads being full of 'free sample please' - shouldn't we put feedback from jobs... I guess those will disappear in avalanche of 'sample me/review copy me' posts.

I get that they deliver on the number/time frame [usually] but if they promise the service is organic or real views... and it's not - isn't that just as bad. Haven't they in effect not actually delivered the job.

Right for this job:

YouTube | Views from Related Video​

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Views can generate extra views, likes, subscribers, this depends on your video quality. Views are coming from real active Youtube users, that's why it's completely safe for ads, and it increases the rank of the target video.​

If [after the job has been done] I looked at the analytics, where SHOULD it say these views came from? I know they will still likely be bot views, but where should YT say they came from. As if it says somewhere else, that's total proof they have mislabelled/miss sold the views.

I already believe they can't be 'real active Youtube users' - well obviously that is under the definition of how it's represented to buyers. I'm sure there is a way to weasel out of that wording...

Thanks again everyone

Though it is strange that everyone knows [as I did myself, more or less from the OP] that they are lying... maybe we get the SMM panels we deserve?

Buy SEO and you will have the same experience.

Trash links that aren't worthwhile.

But one in 8 or 9 services will make your websites go top 1.

It's the same with finding people to do jobs in the real world.

One in 8 workers will be so exceptional, you will want to keep them forever.

I wouldn't believe anything copywriters say. You need to check yourself.

Check what companies do.

They say some mumbo jumbo about "we have billion hours worked, so our experience is like no other". Do you believe it?

Another example is my experience with copywriters.
I found a website where I can buy and get the work delivered extra fast because 40 THOUSAND copywriters are there.
Actually the speed was like it was 5 people working on it.

 

[ellay]

Hello.
You must test several ones and find the 1-2 panels that are ok for you.
And yes, you will always find misleading in any panel.

 

[MrWhite2018]

Hello.
You must test several ones and find the 1-2 panels that are ok for you.
And yes, you will always find misleading in any panel.

Most will bullshit and lie on the descriptions and then lie again via the live chat. Currently I’m using one panel which clearly states their views are (Random Retention). Take what panels say with a pinch of salt because they’re mostly lying.

 

[wydos]

Stay away from SMM services. It can give you small impressions and boosts. But that's all.

A really good 100 views and LIKE can make 1000-5000 additional impressions.

I can tell you why they don't work, but I'll keep this private to prevent disclosure of this information.

Create a private telegram group on the forum, share your thoughts and test it, and you will be able to create the best service yourself.

 

[MrWhite2018]

but I'll keep this private to prevent disclosure of this information.

It’s not top secret, it’s common sense, they don’t work because the views are garbage. The engagements are totally non niche audience targeted either. You need engagements coming from an audience that has already shown an interest in your topic, otherwise you’re pissing in the wind because YouTube detects all of this through machine learning.

They know if accounts have been watching and engaging in your topic or not, so if you’re sending 10k engagements from accounts / whatever that haven’t even watched your type of content once before, it’s a waste of time and money.

 

[wydos]

It’s not top secret, it’s common sense, they don’t work because the views are garbage. The engagements are totally non niche audience targeted either. You need engagements coming from an audience that has already shown an interest in your topic, otherwise you’re pissing in the wind because YouTube detects all of this through machine learning.

They know if accounts have been watching and engaging in your topic or not, so if you’re sending 10k engagements from accounts / whatever that haven’t even watched your type of content once before, it’s a waste of time and money.

Because if you know exactly why it doesn't work, you know how to do it the other way around. Haha

 

[MrWhite2018]

Because if you know exactly why it doesn't work, you know how to do it the other way around. Haha

Make a bot and control your own accounts, so that’s the way forward. It’s exactly what I’m going to be doing.

 

[Cao Son]

Stay away from SMM services. It can give you small impressions and boosts. But that's all.

 

[MrWhite2018]

It's not started yet, so you probably don't know what you are doing and giving people false hopes.

Good job Mr White.

Nice try, but I anticipated your nonsense reply thus edited my post beforehand. Regardless, I have a developer working with me but he is going to make a version of MultiLogin because that will remove a $200 cost, once that's done the only cost would be for the 4G proxy. Don't worry if I do end up selling it I'll remember your silly comment and will ignore you

Note - This user is attempting to reference a previous reply before I edited it out, I actually said at the time I was making one and may consider to sell it, but I realized it sounded fishy so edited that out, I knew immature users like this would attempt to cause an argument if I left it there, I'm not fishing for anything because there is nothing to be sold right now, unfortunately users like this can't understand this.

 

[crnack]

Nice try, but I anticipated your nonsense reply thus edited my post beforehand. Regardless, I have a developer working with me but he is going to make a version of MultiLogin because that will remove a $200 cost, once that's done the only cost would be for the 4G proxy. Don't worry if I do end up selling it I'll remember your silly comment and will ignore you

Note - This user is attempting to reference a previous reply before I edited it out, I actually said at the time I was making one and may consider to sell it, but I realized it sounded fishy so edited that out, I knew immature users like this would attempt to cause an argument if I left it there, I'm not fishing for anything because there is nothing to be sold right now, unfortunately users like this can't understand this.

If you think a random developer will get this type of job done, well.
You will just come here selling crap panel views.

You are a single person having hopes bigger than some tech-savvy companies.

I won't argue with you because it's just your ego issue.

You even said it's based on multilogin reverse engineering. Is that a joke?