Decentralized Loans are Awesome.

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Big Disclaimer: Research how these platforms work before interacting with them - like anything else in crypto don't just jump in and learn afterwards. You can lose money, nothing is guaranteed, and the less you understand the more chance you'll lose money. The more you know the more chance you'll bank and sleep well at night while you do it.

There are platforms in the defi space like Aave and Cream.Finance that are decentralized lending markets that allow you to get crypto-collateralized loans freely.

I've not had anything significant to do with lending until quite recently, but it's certainly an aspect of defi that many people can gain a lot of benefit from.

A few really good use cases:

- if you're holding bags for the long term and need some cash IRL for something else, you can stake and lend that crypto that you're going to hodl anyway, and get a loan of USDT, USDC, DAI etc which you can then liquidate and use. Then when you can pay back the loan, you'll get back your collateral. This is really useful if you would normally be in the position of having to sell some of your crypto to pay for something but then also realising that the price of that asset is likely to go up over the coming weeks and months. That way you can still maximise the size of the bag you're holding at the end of the run (= maximum profit when all said and one) and you can also buy the new buttplug you've had your eye on for a few weeks.

- decentralized leverage - leverage is powerful but can also lose you money faster than anything else so be careful. But saying that, if you would like to be able to create a leveraged position in a decentralized way you can simply buy the asset, stake and lend it for stablecoins, then swap the stablecoins for more of the asset. You can repeat this over and over again, but the more restakes you do, the less wiggle room you'll give yourself on the price moving against you before you get liquidated. Use with caution, but still important to know it's there.

- yield farming - the difference between "staking" and "yield farming" is basically that the aim of yield farming is to find ways to gain more than just a single revenue stream from your capital. ie. I might stake ETH on Uniswap to get yield from that, but as a yield farmer I would be looking to stake ETH somewhere I could get a token that I could get more yield on and ideally stake that token too.. this would create 3 revenue streams instead of just one. Some YF strats are ultra complex but pay enormously. So lending can be used to yield farm - ie. you can stake ETH on AAVE and lend it, borrow USDT with the ETH as collateral, then trade that USDT for CAKE and stake that on PCS to get more CAKE.. you're then using your initial ETH in order to gain yield from lending it (you get a % rate of earning from lending), then you stake the CAKE and get more CAKE (rate of ~115% APR right now), then you also get profit if the price of ETH and CAKE both go up.. technically 4 individual profit generation mechanisms for a single amount of capital that you might have just HODL'd and only earned from the increase in the price of ETH.

(If I did the calculation here for the difference in ROI it's pretty interesting.. actually, just roughly for anyone that gives a shit... (hypothetical figures obvs)

Entry point price of ETH = 1800, exit point = 3600.
Entry point price of CAKE = 17, exit point = 25.
Lending Rate of ETH = 40% APR (inc. deduction for borrowing)
Staking Rate of CAKE = 115% APR
Starting capital = $1,000.
Period of time = 3 months

Scenario 1:

$1,000 of ETH * (3600/1800) = $2,000 at the end = $1,000 profit = 100% ROI


Scenario 2:

$1,000 of ETH * (3600/1800) = $2,000 at the end = $1,000 profit = 100% ROI +..

Starting w/ $1,000 of ETH at $1,800 each = 0.555 ETH = lending rate of 40% per year = 10% per 3 months = 0.0555 ETH earned => 0.0555 * 3600 = $199.80 +..

Borrow $500 CAKE against $1,000 ETH at 50% collat => $500/$17 = 29.41 CAKE borrowed at $17 each.

$500 of CAKE * (25/17) = $735.29 at the end = $235.29 profit = ~ 45% ROI +..

115% APR * (3/12) = 28.75% * 29.41 CAKE = 8.45 CAKE earned as yield in 3 months = 8.45 * 25 = $211.38 earn from CAKE stake.

= End Result (2000 + 199.80 + 735.29 + 211.38 = $3146.47) = Profit of $2146.47 = 214.65% ROI from the same $1,000 investment. More than double the profit essentially.


- There's a bunch more creative ways too.. eg. flash loans are based on lending (obviously) and there's a whole different set of ways to make cash monies from them.

So anyway, clearly worth looking into. I've got a few lends and a few loans happening right now and I wish I looked into it properly a while back.

Hope it helps someone <3
 
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Well yes, assuming everything goes up in price. It will be ugly when we go from bull to bear market. All this borrowed money / margin will cause a huge and fast downward spiral.
Even moreso because whales pulling their capital from lending protocols to liquidate at the end of the run will then lead to APR's for lending jumping higher and higher as more capital comes out, leading to more retail traders throwing money into lending for the higher ROI's. That's where knowledge is power though.. should be a really good warning sign about the impending doom of the market when a lot of capital moves out of lending protocols in a short period of time.

But that won't be happening for a while anyway imo. Also if people over-collateralise properly the risk of liquidation is minimal. I have minimum 3:1 at any point in time and if prices drop enough then add more lending to get it back to 33%. It's the only way to do it, but tbh I got in before a big jump in price for my main loan so now it's like 6:1 collateralised. Would take an apocalyptic crash to liquidate that.
 
Even moreso because whales pulling their capital from lending protocols to liquidate at the end of the run will then lead to APR's for lending jumping higher and higher as more capital comes out, leading to more retail traders throwing money into lending for the higher ROI's.

But that won't be happening for a while anyway imo. Also if people over-collateralise properly the risk of liquidation is minimal. I have minimum 3:1 at any point in time and if prices drop enough then add more lending to get it back to 33%. It's the only way to do it, but tbh I got in before a big jump in price for my main loan so now it's like 6:1 collateralised. Would take an apocalyptic crash to liquidate that.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good plan. I see what you mean. But you have to be on point. Timing is everything
 
Don't get me wrong, it's a good plan. I see what you mean. But you have to be on point. Timing is everything
Yeah and you're absolutely on the money too.. the end of the bull run will be turbo charged because of the crypto stuffed into lending protocols. Going to be a bumpy ride to say the least.

Hey out of curiosity man, have you got an exit plan for when things wrap up yet or playing it by ear? Obvious don't bother posting it here if you do, but just curious if you're putting effort into thinking about that yet?
 
Yeah and you're absolutely on the money too.. the end of the bull run will be turbo charged because of the crypto stuffed into lending protocols. Going to be a bumpy ride to say the least.

Hey out of curiosity man, have you got an exit plan for when things wrap up yet or playing it by ear? Obvious don't bother posting it here if you do, but just curious if you're putting effort into thinking about that yet?
I'm obsessing and stressing about it constantly :D

For now I stick to my initial plan that I came up with 2-3 years ago. Since then I kept buying anytime I had extra money. Multiple sources indicated me to sell when the total market cap gets near 5.5 trillion dollars. (of all coins) These were calculations in a rough bear market. So no hype in estimations.

Since then many updates and projects came to be. But I don't think I have the balls to stay in the game blindly. I'll sell 50% of assets at 5.5 trillion total market cap. After that if it doubles I sell 50% of the remaining and reinvest after the bubble pops. (and it will 90% be a bubble and go way over 5.5 trill) I just can't risk it. My investment is big enough to matter if I lose everything.
 
I'm obsessing and stressing about it constantly :D

For now I stick to my initial plan that I came up with 2-3 years ago. Since then I kept buying anytime I had extra money. Multiple sources indicated me to sell when the total market cap gets near 5.5 trillion dollars. (of all coins) These were calculations in a rough bear market. So no hype in estimations.

Since then many updates and projects came to be. But I don't think I have the balls to stay in the game blindly. I'll sell 50% of assets at 5.5 trillion total market cap. After that if it doubles I sell 50% of the remaining and reinvest after the bubble pops. (and it will 90% be a bubble and go way over 5.5 trill) I just can't risk it. My investment is big enough to matter if I lose everything.
Nice bro, sounds like a solid plan.

I'm going with 20% sell offs starting at the point 3 or 4 market metrics fall into line together, and then selling another 20% either every 3 days or every week after that. Hoping to straddle the top and get some on the way up and some on the way down, but I think this time it will be SO insanely hard to see the trees from the forrest and I think the end of the run will be way more unpredictable than 2017.

Interesting anyway.. I'll be keeping an eye out for 5.5T now you've mentioned that :)
 
I'm obsessing and stressing about it constantly :D

For now I stick to my initial plan that I came up with 2-3 years ago. Since then I kept buying anytime I had extra money. Multiple sources indicated me to sell when the total market cap gets near 5.5 trillion dollars. (of all coins) These were calculations in a rough bear market. So no hype in estimations.

Since then many updates and projects came to be. But I don't think I have the balls to stay in the game blindly. I'll sell 50% of assets at 5.5 trillion total market cap. After that if it doubles I sell 50% of the remaining and reinvest after the bubble pops. (and it will 90% be a bubble and go way over 5.5 trill) I just can't risk it. My investment is big enough to matter if I lose everything.


That's an interesting figure. If that's the case, it would be wise to exit at 5 trillion dollars than wait for 5.5

Nice bro, sounds like a solid plan.

I'm going with 20% sell offs starting at the point 3 or 4 market metrics fall into line together, and then selling another 20% either every 3 days or every week after that. Hoping to straddle the top and get some on the way up and some on the way down, but I think this time it will be SO insanely hard to see the trees from the forrest and I think the end of the run will be way more unpredictable than 2017.

Interesting anyway.. I'll be keeping an eye out for 5.5T now you've mentioned that :)

I'm a newbie to crypto (got in some 8-9 months back) and didn't experience 2017, but I agree when you say this time would be way more unpredictable. It's a completely different situation in the making.
 
I'm a newbie to crypto (got in some 8-9 months back) and didn't experience 2017, but I agree when you say this time would be way more unpredictable. It's a completely different situation in the making.
Tail end of the parabola is intense.. making the same profit you made over the course of a month at the start of the year in a few days.. every news channel constantly talking about Bitcoin/crypto.. everyone you know talking about crypto.. you dreaming about crypto... wearing the same clothes for weeks at a time... wife/girlfriend leave you... you imagining the island you're going to buy and the Mercedes SUV you're going to be driving around your island with your new girlfriend.. very very intense.
 
Tail end of the parabola is intense.. making the same profit you made over the course of a month at the start of the year in a few days.. every news channel constantly talking about Bitcoin/crypto.. everyone you know talking about crypto.. you dreaming about crypto... wearing the same clothes for weeks at a time... wife/girlfriend leave you... you imagining the island you're going to buy and the Mercedes SUV you're going to be driving around your island with your new girlfriend.. very very intense.

Haha... That's well put!

This time around, even the bloodbath would be more intense. Mostly because a larger percentage of people FOMOd and dived in blindly without understanding or learning anything about it.
I remember my first time when we lost 40% of assets in 2-3 week's time due to the noob decisions I made in Aug last year.
 
Haha... That's well put!

This time around, even the bloodbath would be more intense. Mostly because a larger percentage of people FOMOd and dived in blindly without understanding or learning anything about it.
I remember my first time when we lost 40% of assets in 2-3 week's time due to the noob decisions I made in Aug last year.
Yeah well I remember the tail end of 2017 when people were selling high value belongings and investing at close to the top of the bull run.. didn't end well, and crypto immediately started being branded a "scam" by people that we're expecting to buy BTC at $20,000 and have it do 10X on top of the 27X it had already done that year.

I think this year is going to be much more hectic than the last run.. like on a totally different level.
 
Yeah well I remember the tail end of 2017 when people were selling high value belongings and investing at close to the top of the bull run.. didn't end well, and crypto immediately started being branded a "scam" by people that we're expecting to buy BTC at $20,000 and have it do 10X on top of the 27X it had already done that year.

I think this year is going to be much more hectic than the last run.. like on a totally different level.

I'm sure! Crypto's gonna "Shake vigorously!"


PS- I just hope I'm not at the receiving end.
 
Guys just my 2p on selling off and anyone else reading. You might have already considered it (and both sound smart enough to already know) but when you do get to the point of selling your assets 20% or 50% whatever.. you have to stick to the plan and run with it and decide one of the following:

1. Can I sell in bulk and be happy if the price doubles tomorrow

2. Can I sell everything off over a 4hour to 24 hour window and ride any future increases

The way I look at cash out is I calculate a figure and exit on that and then I follow the 2nd step, any increases after that I try not to let both me, but as someone who recently liquidated all of my paper silver recently when the price went up by £1.65 I think it was that's a fair bit of change to accept a "loss" on.

You just have to be smart and happy with the decision. My physical silver is done like that I sell over 2-4oz at a time and that is it, I don't think I could ever cash it in one hit not unless the price was around that of gold, only because I've been stacking for so long.

I treat my crypto in a similar way however I focus my investment on this as purely high risk and reward and gambling with future tech / businesses. Once my investment hits my ROI number I'll cash out 90% and leave 10% behind for a "what If" scenario.
 
I would never ever invest something I can not afford to lose, especially in a volatile market.
 
Guys just my 2p on selling off and anyone else reading. You might have already considered it (and both sound smart enough to already know) but when you do get to the point of selling your assets 20% or 50% whatever.. you have to stick to the plan and run with it and decide one of the following:

1. Can I sell in bulk and be happy if the price doubles tomorrow

2. Can I sell everything off over a 4hour to 24 hour window and ride any future increases

The way I look at cash out is I calculate a figure and exit on that and then I follow the 2nd step, any increases after that I try not to let both me, but as someone who recently liquidated all of my paper silver recently when the price went up by £1.65 I think it was that's a fair bit of change to accept a "loss" on.

You just have to be smart and happy with the decision. My physical silver is done like that I sell over 2-4oz at a time and that is it, I don't think I could ever cash it in one hit not unless the price was around that of gold, only because I've been stacking for so long.

I treat my crypto in a similar way however I focus my investment on this as purely high risk and reward and gambling with future tech / businesses. Once my investment hits my ROI number I'll cash out 90% and leave 10% behind for a "what If" scenario.
Concur mate 100%.

The whole point of selling in batches is reverse DCA'ing it.. ie. get to a point where it's at least likely to be close to the peak, then sell 20%.. if price goes up sell another 20% a week later for more, overall the average sale price is then halfway between both sale prices. Then keep doing it.

Ideally the 5 sales will straddle the peak, bringing the average sale price for all of it to the highest point possible, while also reducing the risk of selling and missing increased price growth.

This would occur over 5 weeks for example.

There's other ways of doing this or similar, but you're on point about the kinds of considerations you mentioned.
 
I for one would like to say thanks to @VSYNC for his post and others who also share import information in the threads. I do not know much about crypto and trying to learn a bit. Post like these steer me to look at things I never heard of. Thanks.
 
I for one would like to say thanks to @VSYNC for his post and others who also share import information in the threads. I do not know much about crypto and trying to learn a bit. Post like these steer me to look at things I never heard of. Thanks.
No problem at all mate, just remember than anything north of $1,000,000 you make in this bull run, I own 10%.

As always, will also accept payment in feet pictures, however you'd have to go down to your local beach and take some of girls sunbathing because I'm not really into dude's feet.

Glad to partner with you on this endeavour.
 
A long long way before I get anywhere near that kind of investment.

I actually live by the beach. Going for a walk down there in a little while. I will try and get you some. Never really got the whole foot fetish thing myself but each to their own.
 
A long long way before I get anywhere near that kind of investment.

I actually live by the beach. Going for a walk down there in a little while. I will try and get you some. Never really got the whole foot fetish thing myself but each to their own.
I'm just fucking with you mate, I don't really want you to get any feet pictures!! :).......




(.... there's plenty of beaches where I live).
 
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