man stop this s**t ok????? i asked you is simple if ypu
make thes screenshots be a proof , give me the mailing lists thst you re telling me thst you provider !
1 when i checked the things that you provided there it was 1 list with 6 mails in there . and i emailed you , and you was not answered , i decided to open dispute on paypal , after you saw that duspute on paypal you restricted access to the email tool and you said oh
it was uploaded there the list , but when i checked it was not . then you requwsted me to close paypal dispute to regain access in the mailing tool . and i refused to close it because i can open a new dispute in the same case when i closed once . if did that then you coupd trick me as you do now ! ok?! so stop this shity . so you can make 100000 screenshots in that tool witm
my name but i don t have access in there because you blocked me !!!!!! because i opened dispute in paypal ok?!!!!!
so i ask you one more time give me the lists that you said you provided pr refund me , is so easy . if you won’t provide the lists and also bo refunds then it means you’re a scammmer ripper !. is easy and all people from here must be awared about how you reat your clients . this is scam , and tricky way how you tring to work . we re not stupid ok?! stop lying . i asked you simple question , easy provide me lists or refund me , wich way you choose ? you refund me or you provide me the lists?!!!!
The email list is really what your scam involves. Let me explain for those that may not understand from this exchange of posts.
A) You purchased an email server, not an email list.
B) We provided an email list to you as a bonus (We shared the email screenshots of the email list exchange on a post above).
C) We delivered your server to you. After the server was delivered to you, you asked about the email lists and we explained to you that we upload these lists on the server and asked which list you wanted uploaded first because of the size of the lists (As seen in email screenshots on previous posts above).
Now this is where I believe your scam comes in.
D) Once you logged into the server to check the lists, you noticed that the email addresses were masked. To preserve the integrity of our huge email lists we mask the email addresses that we share, so others can not dissiminate our email lists. Email addresses are unmasked once a recipient opens a users email.
Lets dive into this a bit.
You claim:
1 when i checked the things that you provided there it was 1 list with 6 mails in there . and i emailed you , and you was not answered
You sent us the following email:
After the above email you did not wait for any response from us before filing your dispute. You immediately filed a dispute without allowing our team a chance to reply to your email. The following email exchange then occurred.
After this above email, your server was checked by the server admin and the files were reported as already being on the server. We then sent you a screenshot in an email showing that the email lists were present and also encouraging you to close the dispute. This was the email below:
Lets remember you said you filed a dispute becuase we did not respond to your email. You didn't give an opportunity for us to respond to your email. But you have been going around saying that we do not respond to emails which is also another thing you are not being honest about. Below is the log of emails from you to us (one can see that they have all been responded to with the exception of duplicate emails on responses already submitted to us. sometimes he would send the same email twice) TAKE NOTE OF THE TIME STAMPS.
Below is a log of our email replies to you. If you notice the time stamps our responses are all very timely to you and prove a consistent basis of our responsiveness to your emails. You will notice that you emailed us 33 times and we responded 28 times. So this idea you are trying to sell that you emailed us about the list and disputed because we didnt respond to your email is just another example of you not being honest.
After quite a few email exchanges back and forth and multiple times trying to encourage you to close your dispute so we could assist you properly we emailed our final email to you. Please notice the final words in the last paragraph there " You should really consider your options here and perhaps sleep and think about the course you wish to take, as after this email we will have no choice but to reply to your dispute formally in paypal at which point it will be to late for you to undo the decisions you are now making."
You refused to close the dispute. That was your decision, not ours. We tried in many emails to warn you that filing the dispute will not help you. Instead you expected us to give you access to a high volume email server that send up to 500k emails a day with tens of millions of emails while you held the money hostage in a dispute. Thats not how it works buddy!
And in fact, what I believe your scam is, you received the server, saw that the emails were masked and could not directly see the addresses, disputed the charge and you thought that you could hold leverage over us by holding the money in dispute thinking you would acquire access to the server and attempt to get the email lists directly as you are now doing. It's strange you are not even concerned about the email server, the only thing you keep talking about is the email lists.
Why do I think this? It is speculation, I admit, as I can not think of any other reason why someone would act so irrationally and make so many false claims. You had the server in your hands for less than a full day when you disputed the transaction. You were provided very detailed instructions with the server, and a manual for running the sending software. There is no possible way that you read and followed these instructions from the time you received the server till the time you disputed the transaction.
No person that is serious about wanting to use the email server would file a dispute so quickly. If they had a perceived issue with the product they would contact support and let support respond to their issue and resolve the matter.
After filing a dispute, once we showed you that the email lists were loaded on the server you still refused to close the dispute claiming we were lying and demanded we give you unlimted access to the server while you held our money hostage.
Things you have claimed:
1) You have claimed that we don't respond to emails. Thats now been proven a false claim.
2) In this very thread you denied we sent you a screenshot of your dashboard showing the email lists were present. Thats been proven to be a false claim.
3) You claim we didnt provide email lists to you, though in email exchanges and screenshots of your server shared here you can clearly see this is also not true.
4) You claim you did not violate the terms of services, yet the TOS are very clear and we even mentioned them directly to you in email before suspending your account for violation of the terms which specifically state the following:
"Paigham Bot expressly reserves the right to deny, cancel, terminate, suspend, lock, or modify access to (or control of) any Account or Services (including the right to cancel or transfer any domain name registration) for any reason (as determined by Paigham Bot in its sole and absolute discretion), including but not limited to the following: ...(iii) to assist with our fraud and abuse detection and prevention efforts,
(vi) to comply with any dispute resolution process, ...Paigham Bot expressly reserves the right to terminate, without notice to you, any and all Services...wherein Paigham Bot's sole discretion, you are harassing or threatening Paigham Bot and/or any of Paigham Bot's employees.
...if Paigham Bot receives notification of a chargeback, reversal, payment dispute,...you agree that Paigham Bot may pursue all available lawful remedies in order to obtain payment, including but not limited to, immediate cancellation, without notice to you,... (Full terms here: https://www.paighambot.com/terms-conditions/ )".
We believe that your account suspension is more than fair and reasonable. You agreed to abide by the TOS when you signed up for the service. You were provided multiple warnings, even with us essentially begging you to close the dispute so we could provide you a great service; instead you just called us "boyz", "liars" and "scammers" and even recently emailed us threats.
So I am left with three options on what has happened here:
1) You are just a completely irrational person and didn't take your time going through everything with the server as is required.
2) You do not understand how business works and are a very young person making rash mistakes.
3) You were trying to scam us of our email lists, but failed at it.
I am pretty sure it is the last of these, but who knows for sure any of those options are possible. I am just trying to make sense of all of the irrational behaviour on your part.
Either way, you ordered a product that said on the very sales page you purchased from, there is no refunds for that product once that product is delivered to you. We without a doubt delivered that product to you. You disputed the transaction with no thought of trying to work it out with our support regarding any "perceived problems" that you state you had. We showed you in email screenshots the server lists were present, the server was up and working (even emails from you state you logged into the server) and instead of doing the rational thing and closing the dispute you continued demanding unfettered access to the server while holding the money in dispute which was a clear violation of the TOS. You were warned multiple times about this and we advised you on what would end up happening.
And now look at you, you're spamming threads in BHW that have nothing to do with the product you ordered, getting caught in lies and misrepresentations. I'd say you're the one not being honest here and that makes me question why.....
Perhaps this is all just bad mistakes because you are young, naive and do not understand how business works, but I doubt that! You've been pretty focused on the email lists before purchase, after purchase and now after losing the dispute and having your account suspended and canceled. You are not even asking for the actual service you purchased (an email smtp server).
I would put money if God spoke whats happening in your mind he would say the wheels are turning to burn us for a massive email list.
Anyways, as you have been told multiple times now. You will not receive any refund, the product is nonrefundable as it states on the sales page. Your account has been suspended and canceled......
You want to know the really sad thing about all of this is; if you were actually legitimate and sincere you could have just emailed us and said hey, I made a mistake and shouldnt have opened that dispute I really need to get something going blah blah blah, and we would have probably gave you a second chance. We have been around for over a decade. We've given out tens of thousands of dollars in free products multiple times over the years. We literally have thousands of customers many of them in BHW.
But no....Instead you choose the path of most resistance; attempting to defame us, insulting us and most likely trying to scam us.
Anyways, chalk it up to a learning lesson. And don't be surprised if other vendors in BHW are cautious of doing business with you because you've now doxxed yourself as being a very high risk person to do business with.
Best Of Luck
