"Organic views are better" argument on BHW

[dlazz]

Organic views are better

 

[Sinnerbh]

ofcourse there are blackhat methods for high retention views and bots but the issue is many people don't know the right sauce or what blackhat views/methods to combine on order to make a video go viral.

also yes bots/botted smm views all help you rank but people haven't tested yt enough to know what works or what does not.
often times many people give up early after trying a few times.

over my past 2 years of algorithms and analytics observations, I've seen how powerful botting has been to push videos into suggested algorithm.
but remember that even with all this, your content still needs to be decently interesting and have a good thumbnail, if you want the algo to help you.

the suggestion rate with the botted view push or any organic view push, is directly proportional to the viewer retention, CTR, channel size and ranking authority of your channel.
( to summarise suggestion rate is proportional to how interesting your content is, channel size and channel ranking authority)

for example a boring video pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 30k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being average.

but on the other hand an interesting video that's pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 100k to 150k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being high.

also a quick note is, even if you use botted methods, the yt algorithms have changed.
it's still a patience game. you may get boosted into suggested on day 1 of botting.
but there is no guarantee.
in a lot of cases it can take days, weeks or months of consistent uploads for algo to get triggered.
but eventually out of the blue one of your boosted videos could take off into browse features/suggested, when you least expect it.

if you want the best tip all i can tell you is be consistent with content uploads and expect a 1 year time frame, to start seeing results.

few months to a year approximately.

even after a year, if nothing happens, your content is probably not good and failing.

during ur consistent upload process, the algo suggests your content to a small batch of people from time to time.
the algo is constantly searching for people interested in your content.

the moment it finds the right batch of interested audience, it will get suggested to them.
but it also keeps suggesting to new audience interested in Similar content.


and to just clarify on the organic views part.
also remember that there are Blackhat methods to get organic views from real humans and not bots.
so yes if you have a way to use that, it's good aswell.


examples of human views done by blackhat methods include.

1.RAV views(pop ads)
2.botnets
3.phone farms(although no humans, Google sees it as real viewers since each phone has unique ip and fingerprints and also the phone farms emulating human actions)
4. micro worker sites (paying people pennies to get tasks done like watching videos)
5. view exchange sites like ytmonster.
6. private view exchange groups on Facebook, discord etc

In you 1 year timeframe, do you mean that after a consisten upload AND buying views to every videos you may be ended up being suggested, or you were talking whitehat ( just upload consinstently and maybe after months/year if your content is good you're going to be suggested well)?

 

[anthony1999]

Hey, Anthony I'm a newbie I can't Pm.

I sent you a PM. Are you able to reply it?

My yt army of accounts and channels gives robust free views.

How many accounts you running?

There around 15k long tail keywords of a main keyword .

You use your own accounts to manually watch vids to rank them?

 

[speedyallan77]

Organic views are better

nope. you can use botted aswell

 

[speedyallan77]

In you 1 year timeframe, do you mean that after a consisten upload AND buying views to every videos you may be ended up being suggested, or you were talking whitehat ( just upload consinstently and maybe after months/year if your content is good you're going to be suggested well)?

test. it's different for everyone.
and ur content needs to be really decent or good or it won't work

 

[sothisisnightlife]

test. it's different for everyone.
and ur content needs to be really decent or good or it won't work

I found a way to find who is using one smm provider that used to be popular here a few years ago. The service is still running but no longer on bhw I think but anyway when I look at the social media acounts thats showing the Youtube videos, all the videos are doing really poorly.

Theres only one teenager thats botting like 300k views and looks like he lives in beverly hills. Obviously parents buying views. But there is literally no growth on the channel, the seo score is really poor. The comments are disabled. All the content creators who have decent content and is actually trying to be a Youtuber aren't doing well at all. Even the Youtube channel of the view provider is ranking really poorly in his own videos. This is why I lose trust in these SMM services.


I'm not gonna name any Youtuber or the view provider here or in pm though.

 

[anthony1999]

nope. you can use botted aswell

test. it's different for everyone.
and ur content needs to be really decent or good or it won't work

I appreciate that you know SMM Panels work and your experience but why don't you tell us which SMM Panels are reliable for these types of ranking views? You don't have to say specifically but you could just PM me or at least tell us which types of view services are best for ranking.

 

[getseoonline]

I see this all the time on Youtube section. Organic views are better. Yes I agree they are better for ranking/promotion/algorithm. Yes you should create good content, thumbnail, title, keywords, description, tags, etc. But the problem is every single thread that asks BlackHat methods on the algorithm will always give these answers. Don't you think that if you were looking for answers on how to grow your channel with WhiteHat/orgnanic methods you'd look on a different forum or perhaps Reddit?

There's a reason why we post on BlackHatworld is to look at what the algorithm wants and what types of views Youtube wants in order to promote/rank/suggest your video more. Not every one of my "good" videos are gonna be good and this is where using the BlackHat methods could help promote the lesser CTR/retention videos.

You heard it right there is a process for one to succeed when it comes to different platforms you either follow them or keep looking for the next shiny object syndrome

There's a reason why panels do not work and yes many people have their ways of making it big on youtube and they might be applying their own growth hacks which comes handy after a lot of trial and error which they wont share for obvious reasons but always remember success leave clues

 

[speedyallan77]

I found a way to find who is using one smm provider that used to be popular here a few years ago. The service is still running but no longer on bhw I think but anyway when I look at the social media acounts thats showing the Youtube videos, all the videos are doing really poorly.

Theres only one teenager thats botting like 300k views and looks like he lives in beverly hills. Obviously parents buying views. But there is literally no growth on the channel, the seo score is really poor. The comments are disabled. All the content creators who have decent content and is actually trying to be a Youtuber aren't doing well at all. Even the Youtube channel of the view provider is ranking really poorly in his own videos. This is why I lose trust in these SMM services.


I'm not gonna name any Youtuber or the view provider here or in pm though.

that's wrong. the people who make algo triggering content are still succeeding even today.

freshly created Channels.

there are people who buy views and fail.
there are people who buy views and succeed.
then there are also people who don't buy anything and still succeed


all these 3 cases are still happening even now.

 

[rajiced]

that's wrong. the people who make algo triggering content are still succeeding even today.

freshly created Channels.

there are people who buy views and fail.
there are people who buy views and succeed.
then there are also people who don't buy anything and still succeed


all these 3 cases are still happening even now.

Came across ur post send u pm for more info on source kindly check
@speedyallan77

 

[Md Masudul Hasan]

I see this all the time on Youtube section. Organic views are better. Yes I agree they are better for ranking/promotion/algorithm. Yes you should create good content, thumbnail, title, keywords, description, tags, etc. But the problem is every single thread that asks BlackHat methods on the algorithm will always give these answers. Don't you think that if you were looking for answers on how to grow your channel with WhiteHat/orgnanic methods you'd look on a different forum or perhaps Reddit?

There's a reason why we post on BlackHatworld is to look at what the algorithm wants and what types of views Youtube wants in order to promote/rank/suggest your video more. Not every one of my "good" videos are gonna be good and this is where using the BlackHat methods could help promote the lesser CTR/retention videos.

White hat SEO off page optimization works for your youtube channel can works for youtube organic views.

 

[BimTop]

Which SMM Panels did you even use and which Microworkers template did you use? Can you kindly please PM me this? Thanks.

Microworkers watching your video will do more harm because the retention will be low to nothing. Get organic views from other available methods

 

[anthony1999]

Microworkers watching your video will do more harm because the retention will be low to nothing. Get organic views from other available methods

Unless you can make them prove that they did indeed watch the 50% of the video.