"Organic views are better" argument on BHW

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I see this all the time on Youtube section. Organic views are better. Yes I agree they are better for ranking/promotion/algorithm. Yes you should create good content, thumbnail, title, keywords, description, tags, etc. But the problem is every single thread that asks BlackHat methods on the algorithm will always give these answers. Don't you think that if you were looking for answers on how to grow your channel with WhiteHat/orgnanic methods you'd look on a different forum or perhaps Reddit?

There's a reason why we post on BlackHatworld is to look at what the algorithm wants and what types of views Youtube wants in order to promote/rank/suggest your video more. Not every one of my "good" videos are gonna be good and this is where using the BlackHat methods could help promote the lesser CTR/retention videos.
 
I have grown innumerable channels through "black hat" high retention views.
The goal is to get your video ranked using these views and when its ranked, It will automatically receive organic views
People buy shit views and and then complain that it ruined their channel
 
retention is key. People who do not understand this are better off not trying BH methods in the first place.
 
Correct. Retention and CTR are both highly important and go hand-in-hand when ranking videos.

I like to see at least a 7% CTR and Average Retention of about 40% - 50% of Total Video Time.

I myself only use high retention views when monetizing a channel. Other than that, I like to keep my videos 100% organic.
 
Correct. Retention and CTR are both highly important and go hand-in-hand when ranking videos.

I like to see at least a 7% CTR and Average Retention of about 40% - 50% of Total Video Time.

I myself only use high retention views when monetizing a channel. Other than that, I like to keep my videos 100% organic.
No offense but you seem to spend quite a lot of time producing videos and by going all whitehat all you got are some couple hundred views. Your Journey does not to me seem to be an ad for going all in on organic.
 
No offense but you seem to spend quite a lot of time producing videos and by going all whitehat all you got are some couple hundred views. Your Journey does not to me seem to be an ad for going all in on organic.
Kinda of an ignorant observation no offense, you do know people have multiple channels right?
 
I have grown innumerable channels through "black hat" high retention views.
The goal is to get your video ranked using these views and when its ranked, It will automatically receive organic views
People buy shit views and and then complain that it ruined their channel
That's always been my approach. I would look for the right views but most of the panels selling views can't offer good retention rates to promote a video enough so that enough people would have the chance at watching.
 
I see this all the time on Youtube section. Organic views are better. Yes I agree they are better for ranking/promotion/algorithm. Yes you should create good content, thumbnail, title, keywords, description, tags, etc. But the problem is every single thread that asks BlackHat methods on the algorithm will always give these answers. Don't you think that if you were looking for answers on how to grow your channel with WhiteHat/orgnanic methods you'd look on a different forum or perhaps Reddit?

There's a reason why we post on BlackHatworld is to look at what the algorithm wants and what types of views Youtube wants in order to promote/rank/suggest your video more. Not every one of my "good" videos are gonna be good and this is where using the BlackHat methods could help promote the lesser CTR/retention videos.

ofcourse there are blackhat methods for high retention views and bots but the issue is many people don't know the right sauce or what blackhat views/methods to combine on order to make a video go viral.

also yes bots/botted smm views all help you rank but people haven't tested yt enough to know what works or what does not.
often times many people give up early after trying a few times.

over my past 2 years of algorithms and analytics observations, I've seen how powerful botting has been to push videos into suggested algorithm.
but remember that even with all this, your content still needs to be decently interesting and have a good thumbnail, if you want the algo to help you.

the suggestion rate with the botted view push or any organic view push, is directly proportional to the viewer retention, CTR, channel size and ranking authority of your channel.
( to summarise suggestion rate is proportional to how interesting your content is, channel size and channel ranking authority)

for example a boring video pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 30k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being average.

but on the other hand an interesting video that's pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 100k to 150k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being high.

also a quick note is, even if you use botted methods, the yt algorithms have changed.
it's still a patience game. you may get boosted into suggested on day 1 of botting.
but there is no guarantee.
in a lot of cases it can take days, weeks or months of consistent uploads for algo to get triggered.
but eventually out of the blue one of your boosted videos could take off into browse features/suggested, when you least expect it.

if you want the best tip all i can tell you is be consistent with content uploads and expect a 1 year time frame, to start seeing results.

few months to a year approximately.

even after a year, if nothing happens, your content is probably not good and failing.

during ur consistent upload process, the algo suggests your content to a small batch of people from time to time.
the algo is constantly searching for people interested in your content.

the moment it finds the right batch of interested audience, it will get suggested to them.
but it also keeps suggesting to new audience interested in Similar content.


and to just clarify on the organic views part.
also remember that there are Blackhat methods to get organic views from real humans and not bots.
so yes if you have a way to use that, it's good aswell.


examples of human views done by blackhat methods include.

1.RAV views(pop ads)
2.botnets
3.phone farms(although no humans, Google sees it as real viewers since each phone has unique ip and fingerprints and also the phone farms emulating human actions)
4. micro worker sites (paying people pennies to get tasks done like watching videos)
5. view exchange sites like ytmonster.
6. private view exchange groups on Facebook, discord etc
 
also a quick note is, even if you use botted methods, the yt algorithms have changed.
it's still a patience game. you may get boosted into suggested on day 1 of botting.
but there is no guarantee.
in a lot of cases it can take days, weeks or months of consistent uploads for algo to get triggered.
but eventually out of the blue one of your boosted videos could take off into browse features/suggested, when you least expect it.

Really? I thought if you don't see a gain in impressions per day within the next few days, then the botted views did not boost.
 
I have grown innumerable channels through "black hat" high retention views.
The goal is to get your video ranked using these views and when its ranked, It will automatically receive organic views
People buy shit views and and then complain that it ruined their channel
can you recommend good places for quality retention views? the thing with suggestions is that yt takes the watching history of a viewer and then tries to pair it up with other potential viewers, so I'm still struggling to see how good the results can be
 
I've searched endlessly for good panels for high retention views and there useless.
 
I see this all the time on Youtube section. Organic views are better. Yes I agree they are better for ranking/promotion/algorithm. Yes you should create good content, thumbnail, title, keywords, description, tags, etc. But the problem is every single thread that asks BlackHat methods on the algorithm will always give these answers. Don't you think that if you were looking for answers on how to grow your channel with WhiteHat/orgnanic methods you'd look on a different forum or perhaps Reddit?

There's a reason why we post on BlackHatworld is to look at what the algorithm wants and what types of views Youtube wants in order to promote/rank/suggest your video more. Not every one of my "good" videos are gonna be good and this is where using the BlackHat methods could help promote the lesser CTR/retention videos.
You are right, have been with white hat spend lot of time analysing algo,content,ctr,keywords,etc came here for blackhat techniques but bored when ppl repeating the same info available in open space, That Guys don't even know we already spend years with YT ;)
 
ofcourse there are blackhat methods for high retention views and bots but the issue is many people don't know the right sauce or what blackhat views/methods to combine on order to make a video go viral.

also yes bots/botted smm views all help you rank but people haven't tested yt enough to know what works or what does not.
often times many people give up early after trying a few times.

over my past 2 years of algorithms and analytics observations, I've seen how powerful botting has been to push videos into suggested algorithm.
but remember that even with all this, your content still needs to be decently interesting and have a good thumbnail, if you want the algo to help you.

the suggestion rate with the botted view push or any organic view push, is directly proportional to the viewer retention, CTR, channel size and ranking authority of your channel.
( to summarise suggestion rate is proportional to how interesting your content is, channel size and channel ranking authority)

for example a boring video pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 30k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being average.

but on the other hand an interesting video that's pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 100k to 150k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being high.

also a quick note is, even if you use botted methods, the yt algorithms have changed.
it's still a patience game. you may get boosted into suggested on day 1 of botting.
but there is no guarantee.
in a lot of cases it can take days, weeks or months of consistent uploads for algo to get triggered.
but eventually out of the blue one of your boosted videos could take off into browse features/suggested, when you least expect it.

if you want the best tip all i can tell you is be consistent with content uploads and expect a 1 year time frame, to start seeing results.

few months to a year approximately.

even after a year, if nothing happens, your content is probably not good and failing.

during ur consistent upload process, the algo suggests your content to a small batch of people from time to time.
the algo is constantly searching for people interested in your content.

the moment it finds the right batch of interested audience, it will get suggested to them.
but it also keeps suggesting to new audience interested in Similar content.


and to just clarify on the organic views part.
also remember that there are Blackhat methods to get organic views from real humans and not bots.
so yes if you have a way to use that, it's good aswell.


examples of human views done by blackhat methods include.

1.RAV views(pop ads)
2.botnets
3.phone farms(although no humans, Google sees it as real viewers since each phone has unique ip and fingerprints and also the phone farms emulating human actions)
4. micro worker sites (paying people pennies to get tasks done like watching videos)
5. view exchange sites like ytmonster.
6. private view exchange groups on Facebook, discord etc
RAV views actually help improve the ranking? I thought those views you get are max 60 seconds long which is shitty for the algorithm no?
 
Lol,

I have been looking for "high quality" social signals for 5 years. Maybe my standards are too high. But I have yet to find a service that gives you the 1000 USA views that you purchase.

Usually, it's 80% USA 20% Russian /Indian.

Which means that the minute your video is ranked, it's already flagged for spam and demonetized.
 
ofcourse there are blackhat methods for high retention views and bots but the issue is many people don't know the right sauce or what blackhat views/methods to combine on order to make a video go viral.

also yes bots/botted smm views all help you rank but people haven't tested yt enough to know what works or what does not.
often times many people give up early after trying a few times.

over my past 2 years of algorithms and analytics observations, I've seen how powerful botting has been to push videos into suggested algorithm.
but remember that even with all this, your content still needs to be decently interesting and have a good thumbnail, if you want the algo to help you.

the suggestion rate with the botted view push or any organic view push, is directly proportional to the viewer retention, CTR, channel size and ranking authority of your channel.
( to summarise suggestion rate is proportional to how interesting your content is, channel size and channel ranking authority)

for example a boring video pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 30k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being average.

but on the other hand an interesting video that's pushed with 10k botted views may end up with 100k to 150k views from suggested due to ctr and retention being high.

also a quick note is, even if you use botted methods, the yt algorithms have changed.
it's still a patience game. you may get boosted into suggested on day 1 of botting.
but there is no guarantee.
in a lot of cases it can take days, weeks or months of consistent uploads for algo to get triggered.
but eventually out of the blue one of your boosted videos could take off into browse features/suggested, when you least expect it.

if you want the best tip all i can tell you is be consistent with content uploads and expect a 1 year time frame, to start seeing results.

few months to a year approximately.

even after a year, if nothing happens, your content is probably not good and failing.

during ur consistent upload process, the algo suggests your content to a small batch of people from time to time.
the algo is constantly searching for people interested in your content.

the moment it finds the right batch of interested audience, it will get suggested to them.
but it also keeps suggesting to new audience interested in Similar content.


and to just clarify on the organic views part.
also remember that there are Blackhat methods to get organic views from real humans and not bots.
so yes if you have a way to use that, it's good aswell.


examples of human views done by blackhat methods include.

1.RAV views(pop ads)
2.botnets
3.phone farms(although no humans, Google sees it as real viewers since each phone has unique ip and fingerprints and also the phone farms emulating human actions)
4. micro worker sites (paying people pennies to get tasks done like watching videos)
5. view exchange sites like ytmonster.
6. private view exchange groups on Facebook, discord etc
Interesting, I 've been ranking videos in the search results with a
combination of smm panel views and micro worker sites 1 year ago, but since the YT algorithm changed it stopped working for me.

On top of that I was never was able to get massively recommended by YT, because the algorithm was not able to match the views from bots and microworkers since they watched so much random stuff. Could you please advise some SMM pannels or bots to automate views and get into the recommended section, 've been searching for a good solution for a while now. Your insight would help a lot!
 
Interesting, I 've been ranking videos in the search results with a
combination of smm panel views and micro worker sites 1 year ago, but since the YT algorithm changed it stopped working for me.

On top of that I was never was able to get massively recommended by YT, because the algorithm was not able to match the views from bots and microworkers since they watched so much random stuff. Could you please advise some SMM pannels or bots to automate views and get into the recommended section, 've been searching for a good solution for a while now. Your insight would help a lot!
Which SMM Panels did you even use and which Microworkers template did you use? Can you kindly please PM me this? Thanks.
 
My yt army of accounts and channels gives robust free views.

How many accounts you running?

There around 15k long tail keywords of a main keyword .
 
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