College is a scam!!!

[Dark Sky]

Uhm wait what? Are you trying to tell me that you would take a surgery from someone that does not has any certifications?

No, literally the opposite, and for the 3rd time, I'm still waiting for a source. You shouldn't make statements implying it's a fact if you don't have a source.

 

[silvi-kucedra]

Short answer: NO, terrible idea. If you don't understand why, then maybe you should go to college and then you will.

where it takes them a lot quicker to learn to be a doctor like a year or 2 years contrary to 10 years

This is so laughable, you made my day. Let me ask you something: would you feel safe putting your life in the hands of a "doctor" with only 2 years of education? That's what I thought. 2 years is NOT enough to even read the medical books, let alone learn how to practice medicine.

 

[macdonjo3]

OP - Everyone in my graduating class makes more than 90% of people in this thread so it's hard to say it's a scam.

I think college & university education is great, never paid for it, my kids never paid for it either. It´s "free" education in my country, almost, we all chip in with the regular taxes, it´s called community funding in large scale .. =) Every youth has the right to get an education, even if they have a less fortunate economic background, rich or poor, they all count.

Interesting. Does your country have any good schools?
https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

 

[Gogol]

College is a scam!!!

..and, Grapes are sour. #JustSaying

 

[Dopious]

Interesting. Does your country have any good schools?
https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

I live in Sweden, we have some great schools.

 

[Jeff Vh]

No, literally the opposite, and for the 3rd time, I'm still waiting for a source. You shouldn't make statements implying it's a fact if you don't have a source.

In this video you’ll find statistics why education is important.

Now, the company’s you’ve spoken with that claim to have no interest in degrees, in which field are they operating? Cleaning? Sales? Order picking? Webdesign? Programming? Retail? Warehouse?


@Trenton420 you better watch this as well

 

[themoon9286]

College is not a scam, only an illusion that deceives us that "College will have a good future"

 

[Deleted member 1333509]

If you want to get a degree in some random and frankly useless sociology degree, or if the thing you want to do after uni doesn't require a degree anyway (web development), then yeah, it's not worth it.

But the level of value you get from academic study is huge in a lot of cases. Not just the material you learn, but secondary things like writing skills, dealing with people in a professional way, and all of the information about other areas that you learn as well outside of your core discipline.

For example: yeah, you can become an AI professional by doing Coursera courses and studying online only, but how many of the AI engineers at Google, Facebook etc were self-taught? The answer is zero. How many practicing lawyers were self-taught? How many professional civil engineers were self-taught?

It always seems to be people that never went to university that say it's a scam.. as well as the forementioned gender studies students that owe $100K but can't get a job. (jawdropping surprise).

 

[Dark Sky]

In this video you’ll find statistics why education is important.

Now, the company’s you’ve spoken with that claim to have no interest in degrees, in which field are they operating? Cleaning? Sales? Order picking? Webdesign? Programming? Retail? Warehouse?


@Trenton420 you better watch this as well

It's in the IT industry, so programming, server engineering, ect where there are degrees for such as computer science.

And I asked for a source to the statistic you stated, not a video...

I'm not arguing education is important, what I'm arguing is you dont need it from an organisation in the age of the internet. Unless your learning something where a degree is essential.

 

[xReminisce]

Well, we call it University here.
I have completed plenty of degrees & i opted back to study 2 different courses this year.
Some felt completely a waste of time and $. While others are very beneficial and broaden my horizon by folds.

Calling it a direct scam is a bit of a far fetched.
It all depends on what course you take, and what level of education you are reaching.
School isn't just about what you are studying, you are learning social skills, writing, problem-solving, quick thinking, being put and deliver under pressure. Time management, deadlines etc
All comes in a bundle where it's not "HEY THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GONNA LEARN"

Imagine trying to be a doctor without going to med school? Yeah not so much of a scam anymore.
At the same time, someone can have a very successful business/enterprise without going to business school too.

 

[Jeff Vh]

It's in the IT industry, so programming, server engineering, ect where there are degrees for such as computer science.

And I asked for a source to the statistic you stated, not a video...

I'm not arguing education is important, what I'm arguing is you dont need it from an organisation in the age of the internet. Unless your learning something where a degree is essential.

This conversation is clearly pointless, as I stated before, you find your statistics within that video.

I understand you’re somewhat emotional about this topic, as you dropped out yourself.

But let us move on to real life problems instead of us wasting time discussing unnecessary things.

 

[nakamura]

I partially agree.

School is definitely a scam or better to say a very evil place, because every person is different, grow up a different environment (family, financial situation, etc.), got different talents (some are creative and some are good with numbers for example), but at the same time it expects the exact same thing from all the students. And the whole model of school is based on fear. You learn that "failing" is a terrible thing. You don't want to fail. You become an "anti-entrepreneur". As an entrepreneuer you have to learn how to deal with mistakes and fails all the time.

And then there is the problem with teacher themselves. Very often the grades are subjective. Like I had one teacher, which hated me. This bitch really wanted to ruin me for whatever reason.

School is hell for people who don't want to fit in. It is hell for everyone who is able to think outside the box. It is hell for everyone who is questioning things. It is hell for everyone who got their own opinion.

I give you an example. I have a little brother and right now he is learning HTML in school. I told him it is fucking useless. No one is going to write a website from scratch in HTML these days. You can install Wordpress and install a theme within two minutes and thats that. His teacher, a 60 years old guy, doesn't even know what Wordpress is. You see shit is going extremely wrong from there on.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Life is a scam. 2 people who are distant memory now decided to fuck and I am having to work my ass off now to fulfill meaningless commitments.

And when I was a kid I was expected to thank them for giving me life. wtf.

 

[xReminisce]

I partially agree.

And then there is the problem with teacher themselves. Very often the grades are subjective. Like I had one teacher, which hated me. This bitch really wanted to ruin me for whatever reason.

I had 1 of those teachers, I love history, i love travelling and i have travelled the worse and many ancient sites.
& my god damn history teacher hated me, and failed me with the pretence of "The essay was too profound and good, must be Plagiarism"
fuck those fuckers

 

[CyHead]

It's only a scam now - it used to be a way of keeping the poor out & creating a system where a university education was held by a few people and it made it more coveted and prestigious.

Now everyone has it, and it's worthless. The idea of free college is funny because people think this is a gateway to a better job, but it's simply an award badge - if everyone has it, it's meaningless. Making it free just means it's on the same level as high school - which Id argue it is.

I laugh at people who brag about their masters - take it as an accomplishment for yourself, but it doesn't entitle you to more pay or anything. Only people who wasted their money on it think that.

I've hired tons of people in my time, and I always laugh at the cocky people who think they're masters or an ivy league university entitles them to more pay, and they're always devastated when I gloss over their education and talk about skillets or experience and they have none.

I'll take experience > education any day of the week and most people hiring for good jobs do so. Don't discount college, but don't put too much value in it either.

 

[silvi-kucedra]

For example: yeah, you can become an AI professional by doing Coursera courses and studying online only, but how many of the AI engineers at Google, Facebook etc were self-taught? The answer is zero. How many practicing lawyers were self-taught? How many professional civil engineers were self-taught?

The answer is NOT zero and it will never be. There are plenty of good engineers at Google (L3 / L4, even higher levels) who were self-taught. Same with lawyers and every other profession. But the ratio of self-taught vs. school-taught follows an uneven distribution, like anything else in life or nature. Less than 20% are self-taught, and the more difficult a profession, the lower this ratio will be. But it's never zero!

 

[Luca Jones]

Hmm have you tried opening a shitlist about it?

 

[Deleted member 1333509]

The answer is NOT zero and it will never be. There are plenty of good engineers at Google (L3 / L4, even higher levels) who were self-taught. Same with lawyers and every other profession. But the ratio of self-taught vs. school-taught follows an uneven distribution, like anything else in life or nature. Less than 20% are self-taught, and the more difficult a profession, the lower this ratio will be. But it's never zero!

Which ones? (What are the names of the Google AI engineers that were wholly self-taught?)

And in many countries, practicing law without a degree is not legal (self-representation aside).. in the US, 46 out of 50 states need you to have a law degree before you can take the Bar Exam and be able to legally practice law. So that's not the case at all.

 

[silvi-kucedra]

Which ones? (What are the names of the Google AI engineers that were wholly self-taught?)

You want their social security too?

 

[hakli]

I think Tai lopez has joined BHW and want to sell has something here.