What the hell is this COVID about?

fizakhan1 said:
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https://factcheck.afp.com/no-banning-order-issued-ending-use-face-masks-tanzania
bartosimpsonio said:
HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW THERE'S ALWAYS A FIREFIGHTER AT THE SCENE WHERE THERE'S FIRE???

FIREFIGHTERS SPREAD FIRE

THE SAME WITH COVID

THERE'S ALWAYS A DOCTOR AT PLACES PACKED WITH VIRUS

I THINK DOCTORS SPREAD THE VIRUS ON PURPOSE

THIS THREAD IS SO FUCKING REVEALING

THE VIRUS IS SPREADING BECAUSE PLACES ARE CLOSING! RESTRICTIONS = INCREASE IN VIRUS!!! YOU'RE SO FUCKING BRILLIANT.

TAKE YOUR STUPID CONSPIRACY CRAP SOMEWHERE ELSE
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this reply is what you expect from a google user, had you searched on bing you would have found a deadly answer :D
 
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It's important to be able to have conversations about this without people thinking that people that disagree with them are automatically wrong.

If the goal is finding the truth instead of pushing an opinion then it's important to consider other points of view.

One thing I will say is that people often say "the virus is real", but that's blatently a strawman. No one is saying "there is no such thing as the coronavirus".

It's much easier to disingenuously say "what kind of idiot thinks the virus is imaginary?" than arguing against real point which is that the dangers relating to the virus are being projected to look larger than they actually are, because there's a lot of information to support the idea that COVID is way less dangerous than people are portraying it as.

The CDC's own figures showed that 94% of "COVID deaths" were deaths where the person had other potentially fatal conditions, and the average number of other conditions per person was 2.6. That is a fact - not a conspiracy theory, and if you ignore that you're as dumb as a conspiracy theorist that thinks everything is a conspiracy.

If you know of a statistic in any other country that shows that 94% of people that died of COVID in that country didn't have any other conditions and were perfectly healthy, please feel free to post it here because that would actually be a legitimate counterargument, would be interesting to be able to consider, and would actually provably show with data that the coronavirus is as dangerous as it's being portrayed as.
 
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VSYNC said:
It's important to be able to have conversations about this without people thinking that people that disagree with them are automatically wrong.

If the goal is finding the truth instead of pushing an opinion then it's important to consider other points of view.

One thing I will say is that people often say "the virus is real", but that's blatently a strawman. No one is saying "there is no such thing as the coronavirus".

It's much easier to disingenuously say "what kind of idiot thinks the virus is imaginary?" than arguing against real point which is that the dangers relating to the virus are being projected to look larger than they actually are, because there's a lot of information to support the idea that COVID is way less dangerous than people are portraying it as.

The CDC's own figures showed that 94% of "COVID deaths" were deaths where the person had other potentially fatal conditions, and the average number of other conditions per person was 2.6. That is a fact - not a conspiracy theory, and if you ignore that you're as dumb as a conspiracy theorist that thinks everything is a conspiracy.

If you know of a statistic in any other country that shows that 94% of people that died of COVID in that country didn't have any other conditions and were perfectly healthy, please feel free to post it here because that would actually be a legitimate counterargument, would be interesting to be able to consider, and would actually provably show with data that the coronavirus is as dangerous as it's being portrayed as.
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Sh*t. I haven't read such an objective and wise post here for a long time, especially over the weekend :D

The worst thing is that if you have your opinion, if you present an argument that is different from "HUGE COVID DANGER", they will call you an anti-vaccine and conspirator.

+1 for you bro!
 
The problem is not the virus, a virus is not good or bad it is a virus and his only goal is to survive, the real problem is people.

This covid crisis should have ended 6 months ago if measures from the governments would have been taken faster and better.

Everyone should have been in forced quarantine for 1 month with food delivery and army control, everybody entering a country submitted to a forced 14 days quarantine. Too bad ONLY for people who go from one country to another for work but businesses would have close 1 month instead of 9 f*****g long months and this shit should be behind us for a long time.

Now in Europe cases are back again and the first lockdown was an absolute waste of time and energy for everybody, a TOTAL disrespect for restaurant owners who closed and separated families who suffer...

Strict measures are the only way to do things, even if we cut the liberty of people I am sure nobody wants to continue to wait in queue and wear that awful mask for another 6 months.

People are unable to respect the measures and are even denying the existence of the virus, so the only way to make them respect this is to force them to do it... Some people will disagree but I only see facts that this stupid virus less deadly than a serious disease and that can be exterminated only by washing hands and not putting your fingers in your mouth and taking a shower is killing all our "modern" society... Come on we are weak as fuck and everybody acts under terror but things are a lot simpler than they seem, nothing changed in 6 months, we are on a forum that understands that you must adapt or die!

I saw countries refusing to adapt and if the crisis subsist today it's because of an unwillingness to change...
 
VSYNC said:
It's important to be able to have conversations about this without people thinking that people that disagree with them are automatically wrong.

If the goal is finding the truth instead of pushing an opinion then it's important to consider other points of view.

One thing I will say is that people often say "the virus is real", but that's blatently a strawman. No one is saying "there is no such thing as the coronavirus".

It's much easier to disingenuously say "what kind of idiot thinks the virus is imaginary?" than arguing against real point which is that the dangers relating to the virus are being projected to look larger than they actually are, because there's a lot of information to support the idea that COVID is way less dangerous than people are portraying it as.

The CDC's own figures showed that 94% of "COVID deaths" were deaths where the person had other potentially fatal conditions, and the average number of other conditions per person was 2.6. That is a fact - not a conspiracy theory, and if you ignore that you're as dumb as a conspiracy theorist that thinks everything is a conspiracy.

If you know of a statistic in any other country that shows that 94% of people that died of COVID in that country didn't have any other conditions and were perfectly healthy, please feel free to post it here because that would actually be a legitimate counterargument, would be interesting to be able to consider, and would actually provably show with data that the coronavirus is as dangerous as it's being portrayed as.
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I like this reply and the thread OP opinion.

And people arguing with other people beliefs has no point at all basically cuz we are not solving anyproblem in fact we are creating one, we are creating parties that could end fighting.

We need numbers, we need dabate and we need information so those who do not like this kind of threads just take into account this is just a side effect of disinformation.

I can confirm that more than 90% of people infected now a days suffer this virus like if it were a flu.
this virus mutates about 2 times per month ( i do not remeber the source ) and the problem according to some scientist is: if virus now muates that slow , and the effects right now are so feble that is like a flu, how will muate once infects a person with a vacine? it may mutate to be more dangerous or less.

So the problem stated in this thread is as impornat as any other , we discuss about our future.

Lets hope science & facts will convince those taking decisions for population .

I agree is excesive but also i agree is neccesary to some extend , is difficult to calibrate the exact formula, just try to inform and get quality info for as many sources as posible and push politicians to inform us.
 
kvvni said:
I haven't read such an objective and wise post here for a long time
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Startrick said:
I like this reply and the thread OP opinion.
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By far the worst thing that can be done in this situation on news channels, on social media, or even on BHW is labelling any kind of information as "misinformation" that denigrates the idea that COVID is as dangerous as it is.

The truth is the truth. If the truth is that COVID is a super virus that is solely killing millions of people that were otherwise completely healthy, then people who think it's not so dangerous need to listen to that and evolve their opinions.

But the same goes the other way. If there is data to show that "COVID the virus" and "COVID the news story" don't actually match up, then why wouldn't people want to know that and then ask why the world is being misled about it?

It's a fact of life that human beings regularly manipulate other human beings in order to gain power. This isn't some crazy idea that doesn't make logical sense. Everybody knows it - people have agendas. The media and politicians do it more than the average person - no one can argue with this and in any other situation no one would.

If you think that COVID is super deadly because you've been watching news for months and it's been telling you it's super deadly and that's your whole argument, no offence but you've got no right to pass that opinion like it's fact and that the people you disagree with are idiots... You probably factually know as much as each other.. aka jack shit.
 
VSYNC said:
By far the worst thing that can be done in this situation on news channels, on social media, or even on BHW is labelling any kind of information as "misinformation" that denigrates the idea that COVID is as dangerous as it is.

The truth is the truth. If the truth is that COVID is a super virus that is solely killing millions of people that were otherwise completely healthy, then people who think it's not so dangerous need to listen to that and evolve their opinions.

But the same goes the other way. If there is data to show that "COVID the virus" and "COVID the news story" don't actually match up, then why wouldn't people want to know that and then ask why the world is being misled about it?

It's a fact of life that human beings regularly manipulate other human beings in order to gain power. This isn't some crazy idea that doesn't make logical sense. Everybody knows it - people have agendas.

If you think that COVID is super deadly because you've been watching news for months and it's been telling you it's super deadly and that's your whole argument, no offence but you've got no right to pass that opinion like it's fact and that the people you disagree with are idiots... You probably factually know as much as each other.. aka jack shit.
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I agree mostly that you say intelligent things in this thread, but don't mix dangerous and contagious, covid and cancer are not at the same level of danger. It is by far the most contagious thing ever, but dangerous in terms of stats ? Nope.. If everybody respect good measures no covid anymore...
 
kvvni said:
: Why only politicians think about a complete lockdown? Why only politicians suggest restrictions?
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They are representing you people on a big stage they have to do that. Do you expect politicians to say there is no covid on big scale so that everyone will start strolling on the streets like everything is normal :)
 
Here we go, another COVID thread.

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Politicians, Leaders, and Media used the virus as a political crutch. That's why things are so out of control right now. As for the virus, It's a virus, who cares. We've had worse ailments floating around than this one. People who are able (healthy) should go get sick on purpose and put an end to this madness.
 
alonelywriter said:
They are representing you people on a big stage they have to do that. Do you expect politicians to say there is no covid on big scale so that everyone will start strolling on the streets like everything is normal :)
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It depends on country. In my country, there are approx.:
90% there's a virus, but we can't afford next lockdown, so we need to live like before covid
5% there's no virus, it's not deadly virus, it's for controlling peoople1!1!!!11!11!
5% there's a deadly virus, stay at home, wear a mask when sleep


People are publicly laughing on those politics. They are broke. Angry. A lot of disinformation, but not on people side; but on politics side. Changing restrictions, change of mind, wear mask, do not wear mask, wear if you are sick, do not wear, wear wear wear


The Prime Minister's conference was announced: Everyone sits down in front of TV sets, challenges them, gets pissed off when they hear these stupid restrictions. Stupid, just plain dumb.


In march everyone was scared. I have been in Asia for a trip and need to come back in a half of trip. Quarantine, 14 days, ok. But now? After summer, where 1000's of people were swimming in the lake side by side.

Virus is definitely exist. But also the truth is if we can't back to normal lives, more people will die from cancers, mental disorders, depression etc, people will lose their fortunes, businesses, everything. and that's just to slow down the transmission of a virus that some don't even know they have.
 
7th March, one of the president in Europe:

Please people, Covid is a JOKE, it does not exist...
For 8th March (ladies day) "I want all ladies to go to Milano and spend all money on nice stuff - ha ha ha" (laughing like a maniac).
"Corona is a joke that someone told on FaceBook" - President said this!? Hell yeah!!

1 or 2 days later...

Dear people... WE ARE FUCKED! SHIT IS REAL!
If we don't do "this & that"... Our graveyards will be full!

And shit like this ^^ for the next few months.

When he was asked to answer why was he laughing, he said "NO! I WAS NOT LAUGHING!" STOP ATTACKING ME! YOU MADE THAT BRUTAL LIE... SHAME ON YOU!

3 days after that, the whole country is in lockdown.

Mid-April, after the first hit, he let about 30,000 people into the stadium to watch the derby football match, immediately after which the second wave started.
When asked who is to blame, people are to blame!

What I want to say is, YES the virus exists, YES the virus is very dangerous, YES all other viruses have mutated, I felt it on my skin, the most common cold lasts for a month now.

It irritates me that we are led by unprofessional people, that those who should be the ones who decide about everything, such people are somewhere out there, there is no place for them where it should be!

It is important that unprofessional people lead mine and many other countries!

This is a FACT ---> Especially those who lead us, and some other people still do not understand how much evil Covid can do to humanity, and if we do not change something, we will soon see something that will be at least 10x worse than Covid!
The information they are giving to us is not real (I'm talking about my country).

He is "leading" us straight to damn hell with his damn decisions!

July was the biggest hit, but July was showed as if Covid was disappearing, people relaxed a lot because of that, and today we suffer because of it.

What happened in July?
ELECTIONS!

So, yeah... It annoys me, it annoys me that there are still people who will harm others for their own gain, I could never understand that and I will never be able to!

Don't get me wrong, I don't give a damn about politics, this is about the damn reality!

Are the Chinese crazy after all, or are we "trying" to be smart... :suspicious:
 
Willyfish said:
I agree mostly that you say intelligent things in this thread, but don't mix dangerous and contagious, covid and cancer are not at the same level of danger. It is by far the most contagious thing ever, but dangerous in terms of stats ? Nope.. If everybody respect good measures no covid anymore...
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It's a good point, but I didn't say anything about how contagious it is though, and from my limited knowledge of it arguably it might be something that is very contagious - it certainly seems that way.

If the news creates a story saying "COVID is a highly deadly disease which millions people that have contracted before they died" that sounds a lot different to saying "COVID is very contagious but the mortality rate is less than 0.03%".

The second one of those doesn't sell news as well as the first one though, obvs.
 
Nobody knows how to act, a lot of pressure from a lot of sides, and a lot of factors. But everyone should do what they want with the known risk of getting covid. You want to go to the cinnema? On your risk, or to the mall? Go on your own risk. And move on with your life
 
ThorTheDog said:
Nobody knows how to act, a lot of pressure from a lot of sides, and a lot of factors. But everyone should do what they want with the known risk of getting covid. You want to go to the cinnema? On your risk, or to the mall? Go on your own risk. And move on with your life
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And that's the point. Your life = your risk.
 
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