Is a trading bot worth the time?

since he is your friend why not ask him to share it with you? Rather than trying to invent the wheel by yourself which someone else already invented. Just a thought.
He has already did that, but the bot that he has made is kind of manual he has to choose the coin by him self he pass the coin to the bot then the bot will do the rest of work, He want me to automate this part and clean up his code since it's kind of messy and he doesn't has enough time to do that since he is an employed , so he has shared the logic with me
 
:oops: maybe his friend. "bluff" him ,
Is obviously kinda ??? since he claim he knows his friend don't know how to see chart , yet the bot can profit claim he do himself??? how that possible if u don't know how to see the trading chart , how u going to instruct tel the bot when to trade ?

Unless he either buy or subscript people bot .
I didn't say that my friend doesn't know how to read the chart I said that Me my self I only know some basics but my friend knows how to read the chart and he has 4 years experience with that
 
His friend just doesn't understand the importance/process of thoroughly testing algos (most likely).

Yes he didn't do any back-esting, yet the bot was successful for 30 days so far!
 
He has already did that, but the bot that he has made is kind of manual he has to choose the coin by him self he pass the coin to the bot then the bot will do the rest of work, He want me to automate this part and clean up his code since it's kind of messy and he doesn't has enough time to do that since he is an employed , so he has shared the logic with me
Then you answered your own question bro. I don't think you will get better confirmation than your friend's results here. Even if we say it is worth it, the gravity of the advice should weight more on your friend than ours. Hence the question you are asking is null.

Now the question should be How?
 
A friend of mine developed a bot where users can create an algorithm and let the bot trade 24/7 for them. It's a great idea and he's getting customers right after launching.
 
I didn't say that my friend doesn't know how to read the chart I said that Me my self I only know some basics but my friend knows how to read the chart and he has 4 years experience with that
har like that he surely know how to instruct the bot do the job
 
Then you answered your own question bro. I don't think you will get better confirmation than your friend's results here. Even if we say it is worth it, the gravity of the advice should weight more on your friend than ours. Hence the question you are asking is null.

Now the question should be How?

I already know how to do that plus I have the logic, so all I have to do is converting that logic to code, but there is a big difference between knowing what you will do and doing that on the ground.

So my question was if this will worth the time that I will spend on, since the bot has been running for only one month, that's why I liked to discuss that with some experienced programmers here, and thanks for your thoughts
 
Start with money management (stop loss,tp), it's even more crucial than the strategy itself. Remember about the news, economic calendar, natural disasters, dumb politicians, even dumber CEOs, etc.

And remember ALL indicators show you the past. Order flow is the only thing that offers real-time direction.
 
Start with money management (stop loss,tp), it's even more crucial than the strategy itself. Remember about the news, economic calendar, natural disasters, dumb politicians, even dumber CEOs, etc.

And remember ALL indicators show you the past. Order flow is the only thing that offers real-time direction.
Yes stop loss was first thing I was thinking about and it's already implemented in the bot, but some people are saying even with stop loss points sometimes you lose huge money because you might don't find buyers
 
Got one bro showcase his result, he program the bot himself . I forget his nick here
 
Yes he didn't do any back-esting, yet the bot was successful for 30 days so far!
The odds of creating an algo that delivers profit 28/30 days without backtesting is infinitesimally small.

That isn't a good thing, it doesn't mean you friend is an accidental genius, it means either a) he's lying about what he's done (no accusing, just saying), or b) it is a very, very, very simple bot and one which works on an indicator like weekly MACD or similar, and caught 4 weeks in a row where the trend was moving up.

Either way that algo will shit itself and lose money in the not too distant future - he hasn't developed anything valuable OP, I promise you.

When I started out I built a custom bot that ran on about a dozen different indicators together. After some pretty naive and shitty "backtesting" on my part, it was showing me ROI of 27x per 6 months historically. I thought I was onto a winner straight up - a friend told me I'd fucked up the backtesting, I told him I didn't, after a few days of just running over the backtest data I realised that one mistake in the code was causing it by not removing some of the cost of trading that it should have been.

That small % addition every hour in backtesting led to 27x of make believe profit I wasn't really making with the algo. You don't make that mistake two times. Your friend's algo might work on the last 30 days, it might blow all of his capital in the next 30. You need to backtest the shit out of it to have any chance of being able to rely on it.

A friend of mine developed a bot where users can create an algorithm and let the bot trade 24/7 for them. It's a great idea and he's getting customers right after launching.
Which one? Those customers are probably going to lose a good amount of money I would guess.

So my question was if this will worth the time that I will spend on
Not unless it becomes your life and you're happy to learn some hardcore math, programming and technical analysis.

Start with money management (stop loss,tp)
Easy to implement risk mitigation in bots, takes very little time.

Remember about the news, economic calendar, natural disasters, dumb politicians, even dumber CEOs, etc.
Building an algo that take a feed from charts and also a feed from fundamental data (ie twitter, news feed etc) and making them work together is on another planet of difficulty.

Either one is doable and there is a lot of opportunity from sentiment-analysis-based bots in the crypto space for eg, but combining both streams of data in an actionable way that balances the value of events from both streams is past post grad shit.

And remember ALL indicators show you the past. Order flow is the only thing that offers real-time direction.
Very important statement.
 
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I think if the trading strategy is not working manually then a bot won't change anything. It all comes to the trading strategy.
 
I think if the trading strategy is not working manually then a bot won't change anything. It all comes to the trading strategy.
100%, unless you're trying to implement a HFT algo and then the ability of the dev team is much more important.

i am new on trading who do you create trading bot ?
You can use pre-made bots, or buy them. That will suit you if you're not a programmer already.

The alternative is either hiring a develop to build a custom bot for you that will cost upwards of $600, but anywhere up to $10,000 or more depending on what you want to do.

If you dedicate the next 1-2+ years of your life to coding (Python and/or C++ are the most useful for trading bots) then you'll be able to build one yourself.
 
If you dedicate the next 1-2+ years of your life to coding (Python and/or C++ are the most useful for trading bots) then you'll be able to build one yourself.

I've been trading FX since 2007 and never saw a good commercial EA. I know 2 guys that coded own robots, earned a lot of money but it lasted like 6-12 months, around 2009 when the market was much different. EA should evolve with the market don't overfit it to the backtesting data.

But such a coding skill is a damn gift!
 
That isn't a good thing, it doesn't mean you friend is an accidental genius, it means either a) he's lying about what he's done (no accusing, just saying), or b) it is a very, very, very simple bot and one which works on an indicator like weekly MACD or similar, and caught 4 weeks in a row where the trend was moving up.

Either way that algo will shit itself and lose money in the not too distant future - he hasn't developed anything valuable OP, I promise you.

When I started out I built a custom bot that ran on about a dozen different indicators together. After some pretty naive and shitty "backtesting" on my part, it was showing me ROI of 27x per 6 months historically. I thought I was onto a winner straight up - a friend told me I'd fucked up the backtesting, I told him I didn't, after a few days of just running over the backtest data I realised that one mistake in the code was causing it by not removing some of the cost of trading that it should have been.

That small % addition every hour in backtesting led to 27x of make believe profit I wasn't really making with the algo. You don't make that mistake two times. Your friend's algo might work on the last 30 days, it might blow all of his capital in the next 30. You need to backtest the shit out of it to have any chance of being able to rely on it.


Not unless it becomes your life and you're happy to learn some hardcore math, programming and technical analysis.


Very important statement.

Hum I don't think he is lying because actually I was talking with him and he showed me his trade history on binance, and yes the bot is kind of simple all what it is doing is automating his strategy, so his strategy might be the key, anyway I already told him that we need to do backtesting before I start working on it so if the backtesting was okay then we will proceed with the next step
 
Hum I don't think he is lying because actually I was talking with him and he showed me his trade history on binance, and yes the bot is kind of simple all what it is doing is automating his strategy, so his strategy might be the key, anyway I already told him that we need to do backtesting before I start working on it so if the backtesting was okay then we will proceed with the next step
Interesting thing. May you like to share some updates? Is the Bot still working?
 
Interesting thing. May you like to share some updates? Is the Bot still working?


I haven't automated the bot because I didn't have the time to do that I have a normal job and I work on other ptojects as well, the bot is still working tho and it will always works because it depends on you, you are the one who tell it when to buy and when to sell and according to my friend he is still making money with but it all depends on your strategy and the market
 
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