Why KGR compliant KW needs to have less than 250 searches?

[claymancz]

So i just read an article about KGR and I don't get this. Why the search volume needs to be under 250? I mean, if i find kw that has 200 search volume and 20 allintitle, which is 0.10 so it's ok, but what if i find kw that has 1000 search volume and 20 allintitle? Why this is not compliant, considering there is higher search volume than 250 so the results has to be better.

 

[JimHalpert]

@Holzr is an expert in this area. Even has a marketplace thread on it. May want to ask him.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/t...ratio-terms-instant-access-kgr-terms.1147138/

 

[Mr Positive]

@Holzr is an expert in this area. Even has a marketplace thread on it. May want to ask him.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/t...ratio-terms-instant-access-kgr-terms.1147138/

yup he’s an expert in this field im sure he’ll be able to answer it

 

[Holzr]

Doug has a video on the subject:

There is something called the rule of 63 which you might want to check out. Essentially anything with over 250 MS you should look for allintitle to be less than 63. I like KGR but sometimes I open it up, for a new site I might look for allintitle to be less than 20 and ideally under 40. KGR is great but it doesn't work with all keywords because search volume is very innacurate and for lower monthly search terms KGR might appear high even though the keyword could still be easy.

 

[Dark Sky]

@Holzr

Long time no speak bro.

Quick question as im moving onto KGR to test, done a few articles now but haven't done enough for a good insight.

For a new website with basically no backlinks, what rank do you expect to get from the KGR terms at first in google?

I'm hitting around rank 30 per article a day after it indexs, do you get the same results? And do you build backlinks to the article or will they hit top page after 4-8months?

 

[Holzr]

@Holzr

Long time no speak bro.

Quick question as im moving onto KGR to test, done a few articles now but haven't done enough for a good insight.

For a new website with basically no backlinks, what rank do you expect to get from the KGR terms at first in google?

I'm hitting around rank 30 per article a day after it indexs, do you get the same results? And do you build backlinks to the article or will they hit top page after 4-8months?

Time is flying by to quick!

It's hard to say, it's pretty hit or miss which is why it needs to be done at scale. One way to maximize rankings is getting search intent bang on. Top 50 is what I aim for so if you're hitting that after index that's a good sign. I find it can take months but rankings do increase nicely over time without backlinks. Some might need a boost though. If you can use info articles to build backlinks to you can then link out to your money pages from them. As your site authority grows KGR will get easier and easier to rank for.

 

[Dark Sky]

Time is flying by to quick!

It's hard to say, it's pretty hit or miss which is why it needs to be done at scale. One way to maximize rankings is getting search intent bang on. Top 50 is what I aim for so if you're hitting that after index that's a good sign. I find it can take months but rankings do increase nicely over time without backlinks. Some might need a boost though. If you can use info articles to build backlinks to you can then link out to your money pages from them. As your site authority grows KGR will get easier and easier to rank for.

Too right!

And perfect that was the exact insight I was getting, primary goal is to nail the search intent, then the rankings will normally tell me how well I met it, and yes from what I understand backlinking to the info articles is more natural as product reviews are much harder to gain links naturally. My plan was to get around 100 up, see whats ranking, and then power some backlinks into the ones that provide most ROI. Think we both got the same insights from KGR

 

[claymancz]

Doug has a video on the subject:

There is something called the rule of 63 which you might want to check out. Essentially anything with over 250 MS you should look for allintitle to be less than 63. I like KGR but sometimes I open it up, for a new site I might look for allintitle to be less than 20 and ideally under 40. KGR is great but it doesn't work with all keywords because search volume is very innacurate and for lower monthly search terms KGR might appear high even though the keyword could still be easy.

Thanks for the video, but still, if I have 5000 searches and 50 allintitle results, and 500 searches and 50 allintitle results, the probability of ranking is the same, right? Because I am competiting with the same amount of sites - 50. Or google will rank more authority sites, even if their articles aren't that specific?

This is the article I read:

KGR = (allintitle results) divided by (search volume)
KGR = 50 / 1100 = 0.045
Is this a KGR Compliant Keyword?

The answer is no. It is a fine keyword and the calculated KGR is really great. But it does not fullfill the criterium of search volume less than 250. However, part of the magic of the KGR is the ability to rank in Google quickly.

I believe one of the factors is the search volume so having a higher search volume will have an impact on ranking quickly...

So, if I have 50 allintitle results and search volume 250 and 50 allintitle results and 1100 search volume, the chance is lower with 1100 search volume? I really don't get this.

 

[Roger Marquez]

Thanks for the video, but still, if I have 5000 searches and 50 allintitle results, and 500 searches and 50 allintitle results, the probability of ranking is the same, right? Because I am competiting with the same amount of sites - 50. Or google will rank more authority sites, even if their articles aren't that specific?

This is the article I read:

KGR = (allintitle results) divided by (search volume)
KGR = 50 / 1100 = 0.045
Is this a KGR Compliant Keyword?

The answer is no. It is a fine keyword and the calculated KGR is really great. But it does not fullfill the criterium of search volume less than 250. However, part of the magic of the KGR is the ability to rank in Google quickly.

I believe one of the factors is the search volume so having a higher search volume will have an impact on ranking quickly...

So, if I have 50 allintitle results and search volume 250 and 50 allintitle results and 1100 search volume, the chance is lower with 1100 search volume? I really don't get this.

Personally, I would loooove to target a keyword with 1,100 monthly searches and "just" 50 allintitles results but, I would still do some manual keyword difficulty analysis to check the level of competition for that keyword.

I´ve come across keywords with 30 allintitle results but the top 10 results on Google are filled with high authoritative sites on the niche.

 

[Deleted member 1313244]

So i just read an article about KGR and I don't get this. Why the search volume needs to be under 250? I mean, if i find kw that has 200 search volume and 20 allintitle, which is 0.10 so it's ok, but what if i find kw that has 1000 search volume and 20 allintitle? Why this is not compliant, considering there is higher search volume than 250 so the results has to be better.

Doug was an affiliate for a product that grouped searches into <250. It's completely arbitrary, he even suggests doing it for searches over 250 if they are buyer intent. Google gives more precise data or groups them into 100 - 1,000 now.

 

[Holzr]

Thanks for the video, but still, if I have 5000 searches and 50 allintitle results, and 500 searches and 50 allintitle results, the probability of ranking is the same, right? Because I am competiting with the same amount of sites - 50. Or google will rank more authority sites, even if their articles aren't that specific?

This is the article I read:

KGR = (allintitle results) divided by (search volume)
KGR = 50 / 1100 = 0.045
Is this a KGR Compliant Keyword?

The answer is no. It is a fine keyword and the calculated KGR is really great. But it does not fullfill the criterium of search volume less than 250. However, part of the magic of the KGR is the ability to rank in Google quickly.

I believe one of the factors is the search volume so having a higher search volume will have an impact on ranking quickly...

So, if I have 50 allintitle results and search volume 250 and 50 allintitle results and 1100 search volume, the chance is lower with 1100 search volume? I really don't get this.

I don't have data for the whether high searches per month = harder to rank. It would be an interesting test though. Fresh domain, bunch of KGR terms where allintitle is the same. See how rankings are effected. I can sort of see his logic and agree to a certain point but defo. don't follow it exactly.

If I found a 1,100 MS KGR term that was perfect (search intent, unrelated SERP, low backlinks, lower authority sites ranking etc.) then I'd take the punt. Little risk but higher reward.

 

[Holzr]

Personally, I would loooove to target a keyword with 1,100 monthly searches and "just" 50 allintitles results but, I would still do some manual keyword difficulty analysis to check the level of competition for that keyword.

I´ve come across keywords with 30 allintitle results but the top 10 results on Google are filled with high authoritative sites on the niche.

Exactly, you got to do manual work otherwise KGR is more luck/gamble then proper KW research. I don't neccersairly mind top authority sites in SERP if the topics/pages are unrelated.

 

[neo]

250bis just a number he came upbwith.
Rule 63 could have been Rule of 60 as well.

But you should follow the maximum 250 rule if you are going to use KGR, because the only reason the KGR works is because bigger sites are usually not targeting low volume keywords.