We need to get back the good HR VIEWS

[ledaponey]

I've been using them for years, I mean, years, with amazing results. Managed to get up to 2k subscribers a month just with views (and the organic growth because ranking the videos I was uploading). They always used to come from External (sometimes Suggested videos, sometimes Other / Unknown) but in the end they all ended up working somehow. Them all, if they were HR they will rank your video.

In my honest opinion, those latest HR views that popped up in the market like 3 months ago doesn't work. First because they're recycling the botnet, and second because they come from Channel Pages without even an impression, so YouTube isn't that stupid. They're "High Retention", yes, but they're completely useless. I encourage you all to stop buying those views because actually it's a waste of money, time, and effort.

We need to get back the HR views which came from external, and I know it's possible because the same server which is running the shitty views is the same server that after the update was used to send those same views coming from external, and you know what? THEY WORKED, flawlessly.

Stop buying any views coming from Channel Pages, they don't care about the results, you're the one who should care about that, they want you to think they don't work because of the algo update but that's, not, true. They can work, but maybe is not that profitable as it is for now in their end.

I'm tired of getting scammed with that shitpile HR views, no any of them work fine, no matter which panel you use or which service / server you use, they all are useless at this point if they're coming from Channel Pages. My advice is, stop buying that shitty HR views and force the coders to make them work again. If we put $20 on a video and the ROI went from 150% to 0% we have to take action.

I hate you all lol

 

[Russ Thomas]

Yup, we need to go on a strike

 

[makie006]

i run 10bit at a time with 60mins margin. I place my internal link to external link so the result will be an external traffic source not channel pages. but my retention is not good. i got this free. im now on experimenting

 

[Cyberars]

@ledaponey my first concern was the fact that those "channel page" views, are offered as REAL VIEWS on many smm-panels that listed on BHW marketplace, sometimes even under FAKE title and description (yes i heard from clients that got scammed as some offered those views as RAV).

anyway, those views are pure fake, as you can see here:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/analyze-this-channel-pages-youtube-views-statistics.1243864/
since i understand that they still continue to mislead BHW members, i suggest that if someone here that paid for something and got something else, he can open a shitlist case... that may force the smm-panel to fix the title and description, they can sell it even if it don't help or drop later or just for inflating the views, but they must not call it REAL when it's not !

 

[SEOzack]

The problem is people want to pay $1.50 for 1000 views and then expect them to be high quality lol.

I do not offer HR views for that reason.

Pay for quality, if you really care about your channel then do it right.

That isn't just for Youtube, that is also for backlinks, for content, etc.

 

[ledaponey]

The problem is people want to pay $1.50 for 1000 views and then expect them to be high quality lol.

I do not offer HR views for that reason.

Pay for quality, if you really care about your channel then do it right.

That isn't just for Youtube, that is also for backlinks, for content, etc.

I get what you mean, pay for quality, but what if you pay 2.85/k or even 3.40/k and they’re crap, there are no any other good retention options out there

 

[Russ Thomas]

The problem is people want to pay $1.50 for 1000 views and then expect them to be high quality lol.

I do not offer HR views for that reason.

Pay for quality, if you really care about your channel then do it right.

That isn't just for Youtube, that is also for backlinks, for content, etc.

You said your geo targeted views will help rank since they are high quality. But they are low retention and they come externally. So how would those views even help

 

[SEOzack]

I get what you mean, pay for quality, but what if you pay 2.85/k or even 3.40/k and they’re crap, there are no any other good retention options out there

High retention views are majority a myth unless they are botted, dude. The only way to have high-retention in other ways is to use real active viewers, if they like your content then they watch it.

You said your geo targeted views will help rank since they are high quality. But they are low retention and they come externally. So how would those views even help

Hey, man.

Ranking on Youtube isn't just about the views. Much like ranking on Google, obviously, there are more factors.

Geotargeted views give a boost and contribute to overall success.

If you're after legit high retention views then real active views is another option.

Now, real active views do not guarantee a higher retention time, however, the video is being pushed in front of real people. If it is of
decent quality they may choose to watch it.

I have used them on some of my views and have had 3 minute plus retention. My videos are of myself, though. I am active.

 

[nerkoperko]

In my opinion and from my experience, ctr and user engagement is multiple times more important for rankings than views and retention. Ofc if you get at least solid % retention, not 10% for example. Focus on asking people to comment, like, share video on social media and similar stuff. That and ctr = 80% job in rankings. Killer thumbnail is MUST.

 

[BimTop]

Why even trying those shitty views when you can easily get organic views? The focus should be more on getting high CTR plus organic views and everything will be good

 

[SpawneR]

Why even trying those shitty views when you can easily get organic views? The focus should be more on getting high CTR plus organic views and everything will be good

Churn & Burn methods.


OP:

External views are still there, but the maintenance of that kind of views is higher that's why everybody goes for channel pages.

 

[Russ Thomas]

I'm willing to pay 10$ for 1k views LMAO quality is quality. But that's why I'm doing them myself now until I can find some with good retention.

 

[ledaponey]

Churn & Burn methods.


OP:

External views are still there, but the maintenance of that kind of views is higher that's why everybody goes for channel pages.

CTR does work good, if you keep it with organic numbers (not 50/60% CTR or higher) and stay targeting long tail keywords too then you'll be good, otherwise your video will get flagged and you'll get something like an Instagram Shadowban, your video will completely dissappear from the YouTube search results, not to mention that's only for rankings, not getting into recommended, so that's not they key, that could be a plus, but it's not a long term way of rank videos. It would be good, but also having a good retention coming from External sources, Channel Pages is 100% useless atm.

 

[sothisisnightlife]

You lot talking about paying for high quality. So stupid, we all know Youtube ads are the best but its expensive. The alternatives on bhw just seem to be trash. Most people will just stick with Youtube ads if they can afford it, yall view providers need to step up your game. I haven't bought views in ages because I don't deal with the hassle of poor ranking or getting banned.

 

[Russ Thomas]

You lot talking about paying for high quality. So stupid, we all know Youtube ads are the best but its expensive. The alternatives on bhw just seem to be trash. Most people will just stick with Youtube ads if they can afford it, yall view providers need to step up your game. I haven't bought views in ages because I don't deal with the hassle of poor ranking or getting banned.

I agree with this, but ad views dont help towards ranking. If that was the case, then people can pay with money for their rankings. Rankings come from subscriber engagements and yt search.

 

[sothisisnightlife]

I agree with this, but ad views dont help towards ranking. If that was the case, then people can pay with money for their rankings. Rankings come from subscriber engagements and yt search.

Why doesn't it go towards ranking? And what if the viewer actually engages, likes, comments and subscribes?

 

[Likri]

Why doesn't it go towards ranking? And what if the viewer actually engages, likes, comments and subscribes?

It still dont help in ranking, it was mentioned somewhere in google terms and conditions which was shared in the forum before.
However these views are good for getting subscribers. If we target properly then we can gain lots of subscribers and they will help in ranking our future videos

 

[Pepemakingmony]

CTR does work good, if you keep it with organic numbers (not 50/60% CTR or higher) and stay targeting long tail keywords too then you'll be good, otherwise your video will get flagged and you'll get something like an Instagram Shadowban, your video will completely dissappear from the YouTube search results, not to mention that's only for rankings, not getting into recommended, so that's not they key, that could be a plus, but it's not a long term way of rank videos. It would be good, but also having a good retention coming from External sources, Channel Pages is 100% useless atm.

How you know thats true?

 

[IG Professor]

It's time to run your network... sooner all panels will be gone

 

[sothisisnightlife]

It's time to run your network... sooner all panels will be gone

Yeah I think the Youtubers and record labels are using there own private views service using private methods. All public methods just get patched too easily and is why it never works. The only way to get these views is to have a friend in record label or a fellow Youtuber or network you know thats using it and is willing to share you information.