People from BHW: Do you have college degree?
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traffic_freak
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Great question! I'm proud to say I've got a BSc in Building Technology, although never practiced for once. I'm not cut out for that sort of life. Looking back now, I wish I hadn't: I just wish I stayed at home and studied programming.Hey guys just curious of how many of you, successful Internet Marketers have any collage degree..
Have a nice day
Dreams411
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Getting a college degree is actually cool. College is a place where people discover what they truly want. However, professional or scholastic education is not the prerequisite of becoming wealthy or established. Use Gates, Zuckerberg and the likes as a case study. The educatioanal system is designed to make us employees. Hence, if you rely so much on your degree you'll definitely end up becoming a workaholic (somebody's slave). One day you'll wake up to realise that you've achieved nothing in life. I'm currently in college, I must say this, sometimes it feels lik I'm wasting my life. Matter of fact, I learn more here than in college. The school system is a total scam!
ss_social
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I didn't finish my BA but with that said I don't have a student loan and I am making a good salary from online business right now. Considering that, I think I am pretty well off and quite happy with where I am.
The Don of Kitty Collage Mafia
MAKE IT RAIN (kittens)!!!
Why yes, I do indeed have a collage degree.
I now make collage kitties for a living
The Don of Kitty Collage Mafia
MAKE IT RAIN (kittens)!!!
LGNDFRVR23
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I have a degree in Computer Science, now 1st year Masters same domain. Although, my degree just helped me get my job, most things I learnt myself from Google and at the workplace. Waiting 1-2 more years to gather more knowledge and money, then it’s time to start my own journey
Corpus_Callosum
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I have a BSc & a MSc in Cognitive Science and a Ph.D. in Psychology.
t2van
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And THAT's the problem with upper education. So many people go into it not knowing what they want to do when that time would be best saved doing something else. I thought id live and die IT / Design. I'm now a full-time farmer and wish I done it much sooner..
ExperimentalSEO
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Finishing AA and AGS this year, next year I'll begin working on a BA in History/Economics.
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Constructor-Designer (3DS Max, AutoCAD)
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You're right , bill gates or Steve jobs or even mark zuck had a product which was ready for release when they dropped out ,
They didn't drop out just for the sake of it .
Sherb
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Time for this again.
Here's what I always try to post in these: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/lets-all-agree-on-one-thing-regarding-the-college-vs-im-debate-and-other-thoughts.816016/
I've noticed so many threads lately either about this topic, or that turn into this topic. All of them end with people on the extreme ends of the spectrum. Can we at least all agree to the following:
On a profitability scale of $ to $$$$$ IN MOST CASES:
Option 1) INPUT: No college, No entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $ - $$. VULNERABILITY: Average
Option 2) INPUT: Yes college, No entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $$ - $$$$. VULNERABILITY: Low to Average
Option 3) INPUT: No college, Yes entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $ - $$$$. VULNERABILITY: High
Option 4) INPUT: Yes college, Yes entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $$$ - $$$$$. VULNERABILITY: Low
What does this mean?
Option 1 person never went to college and knows nothing about the world of business or online anything. They work doing manual labor or some menial office related task, or customer service, and will rarely rise above the ranks of "manager". Their job-getting abilities are relatively safe, as they "specialize" in something that is available and relatively in demand most everywhere.
Option 2 person did the typical college route, but doesn't have the cajones to break into what we do. They generally find work in their chosen field, no matter what it would be. As they are specialized with four or more years of education pertaining to that field, they can usually rest assured that their pay will be livable, their job will be secure (especially for in demand fields such as engineering, computers, geological, etc), and their will always be options to network in their "niche".
Option 3 person pertains to a good amount of people on BHW. They didn't go to college, and instead chose to break out from Option 1 and forge their own path. More power to them. They possess the entrepreneurial spirit, and hopefully are aware that the crash rate for IM and other fields is fast and unforgiving. You can be making $10K a month and have all your income sources dry up overnight, and the more you know, the safer you will be. And of course, the higher the risk, the higher the reward, and the higher the stress. It is rare that someone in this section will break through $$$$ into $$$$$. But again, their are outliers.
Option 4 person went to college, is specialized in their field, and has the entrepreneurial spirit to try and make it in IM. They have the ability to take their technical experience and turn it into productivity that people in other options cannot. Sometimes a degree is useless in the IM/business world. Mine sure has been. But the knowledge learned, experiences taken, and connections made it worthwhile, and ten times out of ten, two 99% identical resumes where one person has a degree and the other doesn't will result in the degree-holder getting the job.
Do you fit this mold, or are you an outlier? Think hard. Are you really, or are you just telling yourself you are? Are you an Option 3 who really is an Option 1 and needs to shoot for Option 2? Are you an Option 2 thinking you can be an Option 4, but have been fucking around for three years and still don't have a starting point?
To finalize, the items we can all hopefully agree on:
1) Nothing lasts forever. Nothing is guaranteed.
2) People in all four options are exposed to risk.
3) Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what works best.
4) What works best for some will NOT work best for others.
And finally:
5) Clear dreams lead to discipline. Discipline leads to productivity. Productivity leads to organization. Organization leads to implementation. Implementation leads to profitability. Profitability leads to expansion. Expansion leads to delegation. Delegation leads to lower stress. Lower stress leads to clear dreams. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Don't ever sell yourself short. PUT A MONETARY VALUE ON YOUR TIME. I've said this at least 20 times to different people in this online sewer. What are you worth per hour? Seven years ago I was an Option 1, setting my personal worth at $10 an hour and working in a sandwich shop, but I had clear dreams. Five years ago when I joined this site I was an Option 2, sitting in classrooms knowing I didn't want to do what I was doing.
Now I'm an Option 4, a four year degree holder with a dozen income streams and a six figure income, and I value my time at $100 an hour. Writing this cost me $25. And if it wakes one person up, to me it was worth every penny. No strings attached. No email sign up form. No links. No bullshit. No guru. Just speaking from the heart, and speaking from too much experience in these 25 short, sweet years on earth.
All the best forever,
SH
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Here is another one:
IS COLLEGE WORTH IT?
College was the most exciting, carefree, laid back four years of my life. I wasn't in a frat. I didn't party (except for a few times from the confines of our dorm rooms). I didn't hook up with randoms (was in a relationship with the woman who is now my wife).
What I did do was go on adventures. I took long walks around campus at night with friends. I got incredibly good at Call of Duty: Black Ops (one). I started building a successful business. I met a lot of professors and fellow students I still talk to to this day. I excelled and learned. I got an internship at an amazing out-of-the-box place and got to see $100 million in cash, like that scene in Breaking Bad. And when it was all said and done, I got a diploma and a line on my resume saying that I did it, and I did it well.
I got so many small scholarships that I owed $0 when I got out. My wife actually got paid $5k a semester to attend college because she got so many scholarships. Rare for the US post-secondary educational system. Of course medical school (for her currently) is a completely different story. I try not to log into the student loan site, because when I do I'm greeted with this monstrosity: https://i.imgur.com/eR0b5zn.png.
But college was incredible. I miss it every day. Sometimes I take a jog at work and go to the local college campus and just walk around. Just to get that feeling again.
BUT I'M ALREADY MAKING MONEY.
I was making a steady income while I was in college. Here is why I stayed:
1) The income was not a guarantee. It never is in the real world. So it was good to know I had a degree to utilize if I needed to re-enter the job market at any point. i.e. as several other posters have said, a backup plan.
2) The experience. Networking, making friends, and spending time somewhere with thousands of other people in the prime of their lives, just trying to expand their horizons in any way possible. Having a 10x16 dorm room to call home caused a lot of time to be spent exploring. Hikes to waterfalls, short weekend trips, walks, disc golf, geocaching, hanging out at an abandoned airstrip at the top of a mountain overlooking the entire campus, going out to eat at the on-campus dining options every evening.
3) The education. If I had the funds to spend, and I wanted to learn mechanical engineering, I would not spend my time in a dark room watching YouTube videos. I would go to a college and find educated professionals who are paid six-figures to teach what they know to others, and I would walk out with proof that I did so.
But I don't think these will sway your opinion, and it's fine if it doesn't. Everyone is entitled to one.
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Further thoughts:
Percentage of billionaires around the world with bachelor's degrees: 70.1% (http://fortune.com/2016/08/08/billionaires-no-degree/)
Percentage of people in the world with bachelor's degrees: 6.7% (http://www.collegeamerica.edu/blog/who-in-the-world-holds-a-college-degree)
College is about more than education. It's about networking. No billionaire got to where they are without networking. Universities are literally massive hubs of people interested in the same things you are.
Here's what I always try to post in these: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/lets-all-agree-on-one-thing-regarding-the-college-vs-im-debate-and-other-thoughts.816016/
I've noticed so many threads lately either about this topic, or that turn into this topic. All of them end with people on the extreme ends of the spectrum. Can we at least all agree to the following:
On a profitability scale of $ to $$$$$ IN MOST CASES:
Option 1) INPUT: No college, No entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $ - $$. VULNERABILITY: Average
Option 2) INPUT: Yes college, No entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $$ - $$$$. VULNERABILITY: Low to Average
Option 3) INPUT: No college, Yes entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $ - $$$$. VULNERABILITY: High
Option 4) INPUT: Yes college, Yes entrepreneurial spirit. OUTPUT: $$$ - $$$$$. VULNERABILITY: Low
What does this mean?
Option 1 person never went to college and knows nothing about the world of business or online anything. They work doing manual labor or some menial office related task, or customer service, and will rarely rise above the ranks of "manager". Their job-getting abilities are relatively safe, as they "specialize" in something that is available and relatively in demand most everywhere.
Option 2 person did the typical college route, but doesn't have the cajones to break into what we do. They generally find work in their chosen field, no matter what it would be. As they are specialized with four or more years of education pertaining to that field, they can usually rest assured that their pay will be livable, their job will be secure (especially for in demand fields such as engineering, computers, geological, etc), and their will always be options to network in their "niche".
Option 3 person pertains to a good amount of people on BHW. They didn't go to college, and instead chose to break out from Option 1 and forge their own path. More power to them. They possess the entrepreneurial spirit, and hopefully are aware that the crash rate for IM and other fields is fast and unforgiving. You can be making $10K a month and have all your income sources dry up overnight, and the more you know, the safer you will be. And of course, the higher the risk, the higher the reward, and the higher the stress. It is rare that someone in this section will break through $$$$ into $$$$$. But again, their are outliers.
Option 4 person went to college, is specialized in their field, and has the entrepreneurial spirit to try and make it in IM. They have the ability to take their technical experience and turn it into productivity that people in other options cannot. Sometimes a degree is useless in the IM/business world. Mine sure has been. But the knowledge learned, experiences taken, and connections made it worthwhile, and ten times out of ten, two 99% identical resumes where one person has a degree and the other doesn't will result in the degree-holder getting the job.
Do you fit this mold, or are you an outlier? Think hard. Are you really, or are you just telling yourself you are? Are you an Option 3 who really is an Option 1 and needs to shoot for Option 2? Are you an Option 2 thinking you can be an Option 4, but have been fucking around for three years and still don't have a starting point?
To finalize, the items we can all hopefully agree on:
1) Nothing lasts forever. Nothing is guaranteed.
2) People in all four options are exposed to risk.
3) Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what works best.
4) What works best for some will NOT work best for others.
And finally:
5) Clear dreams lead to discipline. Discipline leads to productivity. Productivity leads to organization. Organization leads to implementation. Implementation leads to profitability. Profitability leads to expansion. Expansion leads to delegation. Delegation leads to lower stress. Lower stress leads to clear dreams. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Don't ever sell yourself short. PUT A MONETARY VALUE ON YOUR TIME. I've said this at least 20 times to different people in this online sewer. What are you worth per hour? Seven years ago I was an Option 1, setting my personal worth at $10 an hour and working in a sandwich shop, but I had clear dreams. Five years ago when I joined this site I was an Option 2, sitting in classrooms knowing I didn't want to do what I was doing.
Now I'm an Option 4, a four year degree holder with a dozen income streams and a six figure income, and I value my time at $100 an hour. Writing this cost me $25. And if it wakes one person up, to me it was worth every penny. No strings attached. No email sign up form. No links. No bullshit. No guru. Just speaking from the heart, and speaking from too much experience in these 25 short, sweet years on earth.
All the best forever,
SH
---
Here is another one:
IS COLLEGE WORTH IT?
College was the most exciting, carefree, laid back four years of my life. I wasn't in a frat. I didn't party (except for a few times from the confines of our dorm rooms). I didn't hook up with randoms (was in a relationship with the woman who is now my wife).
What I did do was go on adventures. I took long walks around campus at night with friends. I got incredibly good at Call of Duty: Black Ops (one). I started building a successful business. I met a lot of professors and fellow students I still talk to to this day. I excelled and learned. I got an internship at an amazing out-of-the-box place and got to see $100 million in cash, like that scene in Breaking Bad. And when it was all said and done, I got a diploma and a line on my resume saying that I did it, and I did it well.
I got so many small scholarships that I owed $0 when I got out. My wife actually got paid $5k a semester to attend college because she got so many scholarships. Rare for the US post-secondary educational system. Of course medical school (for her currently) is a completely different story. I try not to log into the student loan site, because when I do I'm greeted with this monstrosity: https://i.imgur.com/eR0b5zn.png.
But college was incredible. I miss it every day. Sometimes I take a jog at work and go to the local college campus and just walk around. Just to get that feeling again.
BUT I'M ALREADY MAKING MONEY.
I was making a steady income while I was in college. Here is why I stayed:
1) The income was not a guarantee. It never is in the real world. So it was good to know I had a degree to utilize if I needed to re-enter the job market at any point. i.e. as several other posters have said, a backup plan.
2) The experience. Networking, making friends, and spending time somewhere with thousands of other people in the prime of their lives, just trying to expand their horizons in any way possible. Having a 10x16 dorm room to call home caused a lot of time to be spent exploring. Hikes to waterfalls, short weekend trips, walks, disc golf, geocaching, hanging out at an abandoned airstrip at the top of a mountain overlooking the entire campus, going out to eat at the on-campus dining options every evening.
3) The education. If I had the funds to spend, and I wanted to learn mechanical engineering, I would not spend my time in a dark room watching YouTube videos. I would go to a college and find educated professionals who are paid six-figures to teach what they know to others, and I would walk out with proof that I did so.
But I don't think these will sway your opinion, and it's fine if it doesn't. Everyone is entitled to one.
---
Further thoughts:
Percentage of billionaires around the world with bachelor's degrees: 70.1% (http://fortune.com/2016/08/08/billionaires-no-degree/)
Percentage of people in the world with bachelor's degrees: 6.7% (http://www.collegeamerica.edu/blog/who-in-the-world-holds-a-college-degree)
College is about more than education. It's about networking. No billionaire got to where they are without networking. Universities are literally massive hubs of people interested in the same things you are.
