Hey,
1)does scial shares helps ?
2)is matter to have various platforms ?
@deBling
1) What we've discovered to be really important and that applies to all sites not just PBNs is to establish authority via authorship and that means creating as much social presence for the persona writing the content via social media as possible. We're currently doing this for our money sites, but haven't bothered with PBNs yet since it's quite a bit of work. Nevertheless, we may start doing it for our supporting sites as well, especially those that start generating more traffic and can become money sites themselves.
So yeah, not just social shares, fake likes and some random persona accounts that will get deleted shortly afterwards for non-usage. Try to establish authority beyond just spammy random accounts. Try to show Google the person writing that content is a 'real' person backed up by social media and references.
2) We're still doing it 100% WordPress myfriend and have never looked back. 99% of our money sites are build on pre-owned, aged, strong, niche relevant expired domains, so these already have hundreds of existing backlinks, most of which aren't really WP. So we don't see a problem sending additional links from WP based domains.
Cheers,
Alex
multiple thanks for starting this thread and the one from 2014.
[1] As part of figuring out the ratio for exact match backlinks from your competition, can you please let me know how many backlinks do you consider when competition has exact match anchors from subdomains. In the following 2 sites, is it 1 backlink or 2?
- subdomainA.redapple.com
- subdomainB.redapple.com
[2] if your competition is sitting around 50% exact match ratio, and this is not a Burn site, how can you match them if you suggest to never use the same anchor text twice?
[3] if semrush is cheating, then do you consider this website to be the best one out there for figuring out the backlink ratios of your competition?
[4] how often do you add new posts to your PBN? (talking about random posts that do not link to your money sites)
[5] if you want to juice up your PBN, have you created a new web 2.0, link it to PBN, and then GSA the shit out of the web 2.0?
[6] for your aged PBN's, do you check their TF metric to see if they are still good or once the PBN is yours, you just maintain it and no longer care about its metrics?
[7] what do you mean about "dropped" domains? what is the difference with expired domains?
again thank you
@fb3003
1) I'm seeing more and more proof every day that every niche is different. The search intent of every single keyword is different. What works for your competitor or you in niche A may not work in another niche. Theoretically and based what Google told us for many years up until now, every single subdomain is viewed as a separate domain. So you are dealing with 2 links from two different subdomains in your example. Nevertheless, you may never know. If your competitor has results with this type of links in that niche it doesn't mean that he can replicate that in another one.
When it comes to figuring out the ratio, I would treat these links as coming from two distinct domains. Think about the .blogspot case, for example.
2) Well, 50% exact match anchor text is a burn site for sure. The saying 'If you haven't died yet it doesn't mean you're immortal' is pretty relevant in this case. The fact that they didn't get slapped yet, doesn't mean they won't. Google will not tolerate a 50% exact match anchor text for long. It simply cannot be a viable long term strategy.
I suggest you to focus on quality if competing with them and rest assured sooner or later this absolutely ridiculous for 2018's Google anchor text ratio will bite them back.
Nevertheless, if you want to compete with them using a burn site, try using various anchor text tricks and diversifying. There are a bunch of ways to do it, starting with using as many partial matches that still include the exact match in one form or another and ending with exact matches in addition to various emoticons and symbols, stuff that basically makes the text unique from one another.
3) Our current method of discovering as many links as possible is by combining the backlink profiles of Ahrefs + Majestic and then removing duplicates. We sometimes add the backlink report from SEMRush if we feel like the ones extracted from Ahrefs and Majestic look too good to be true.
4) We don't, really, unless the site starts generating traffic due to the original domain power and then we transform it into a satellite site that can also be monetized. These type of sites are being additionally tweaked and more content with no outbound links is being added.
5) It can work for sure, but we don't do it, we really don't bother with Web2.0s and GSA anymore. But it can work - yes, no doubt about that. It's that we don't do it for various reasons. One good way to use GSA is hide your good links from link crawlers like Ahrefs and Majestic by spamming your own site and then grabbing the report and submitting to Google's disavow links tool. Your competitors won't be able to figure it out lol
6) Quality and quantity of backlinks is really the only metric that matters.
7) Dropped domains are the domains that go past the grace redemption period and can no longer be renewed in order to preserve the original registration date. These go into the 'no turning back' 5 days pending delete phase from which they drop.
http://archive.icann.org/en/registrars/gtld-lifecycle.jpg
Dropped domains are also expired domains. Everyone gets the terminology wrong.
If you talk about aged domains, these are the domains that are being auctioned during their final redemption grace period and still preserve the original whois age when purchased and transferred to your registrar account.
Cheers!
another question,
[8] let's say because of wanting to get close to exact match anchor ratio of your main competitor, you need to change the backlink on your PBN. From my understanding you should not change those backlinks. Also I understand that google takes the first backlink on the page and will ignore the second backlink on the page. if this is the case, can you insert a new backlink the way you want it and still keep the original one, hoping that google will only consider the first one?
or do you suggest another way of changing backlinks on PBNs?
@fb3003,
8) We've successfully edited the anchor text of backlinks in the past and it worked just fine. However, every time you do that I recommend changing the wording around the backlink, maybe add an extra paragraph to the article. Think of it in terms of editing the content based on newly provided information, just like it would happen in the real world. People don't change their mind unless new information pops-up. Then they go and change their articles, scientific papers, write new books, edit their blogs, etc...
Sometimes we would get up to 3-4 links from the same blog post pointing to the same money site: root, internal page 1, internal page 2, twitter profile, facebook profile of the author.
We're seeing movement across the board. Google tells you they ignore the additional links pointing to the same domain, but in reality we haven't found and empirical evidence this is the case.
@alexthepbndude you should fix some mistakes:
"...Both dropped and aged domains can be auctioned. Stick with aged..."
Between expired (and deleted) domains and for example godaddy auctions is very big difference, when we talking about PBN.
Deleted domains have just one footprint more, which you can't hide - it's the domain registration date.
"... Yep, homepage links in 90% of the cases... "
Natural linked sites have less than 5% links from Home pages, so by increase this ratio by 18 times, it's just like ask Google to ban all your assets.
Best regards, Greg.
@GregFromMoonsy
I don't think I've made any error there.
Both deleted and aged (domains sold during the redemption grade period) can be auctioned. Think about DropCatch which catches deleted domains the very second they drop and then auctions the ones that have more than 1 backorder request.
GoDaddy has a different way of auctioning the domains.
Both are auctions, one is dropped and the 2nd one isn't.
I recommend sticking with aged domains.
We work strictly with aged domains.
They still kick ass if used correctly.
Alex
Hi Alex.
1) What would you say are the top 5 or 10 (or however many you'd like to say) crucial elements for a PBN; perhaps a bulleted list for the sake of brevity.
2) What are the biggest changes in how you create or operate a PBN since 2014; in other words what has really changed since 2014 for PBNs?
I'm really interested in number 2) as I'm familiar with your old thread and 2014-2015 style PBN development, but have not paid much attention to PBN discussion or methods since then.
@Codliver
1)
- Virgin clean domains, no spam, no past abuse, etc
- Whois Age
- Being indexed in Google at the time of acquisition
- Niche relevancy (even though that's debatable, but better safe than sorry)
- Quality of backlinks
- Quantity of backlinks
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- Metrics
2)
- We stopped using scraped domains.
- We stopped using dropped domains.
- We've stopped using non relevant, generic domains.
- We stopped treating domains like 100% expiring assets.
- We started using aged domains.
- We started deploying more content to each domain that shows potential in terms of traffic.
- We started transforming good PBN domains into tier 2 and tier 1 money sites at times.
- We've started buying really cool PBN setups for our networks.
- Less, more powerful domains.
- We've stopped posting automatically.
- Everything is being done manually now.
- Less links, more signals.
- We've started selling PBN networks built around HQ money sites as part of the sale when transitioning to a new owner. You can't really sell them 2013-2014 looking PBNs lol
Good to see you back mate!
My question is if you have a fresh new money site when do you start sending PBN links?
Would PBN links be the first links you send or you prefer to get some pillow links like web20, profiles, citations and so on beforehand?
@patlang
It's been years since we did launch a new affiliate money site on a brand new domain. We use aged domains and those usually have hundreds of old relevant backlinks in place and then we move on the PBNs right away.
Quality, niche relevant PBN links won't hurt a brand new money site, especially since you've taken into consideration a bunch of quality guidelines that Google considers a must these days and have to be fixed before they reward you for links.
So many people focus on the linking part alone these days and completely ignore the overall quality and most important quality signals of their web properties...
"What we currently do for brand new websites is get a batch of 15-20 links from unique PBN domains from day one (make sure you diversify anchor text properly and keep the exact matches under 10%) and let search engines find them naturally, on their own. Don't force the process of indexing. We then wait 2-3 months, let the dust settle and check rankings, track if there was any movement at all. In case of some nice movement, we start scheduling more links/posts at a rate of 10 links each 10 days or 10 links each 7 days or 2-3 links each 7 days or 1 link per day or 3-5 links per month, depending on factors like the competitiveness, nature of the niche and the velocity required to get the top spots. If there was no movement at all, we drop another batch of 10-15 links, wait another month or two till we get some traction and then we do what I've described above.
For brand new websites, we don't expect rankings for some serious traffic terms sooner than 6-8 months. We don't accept clients that want that done in 1 month either. Those who seek permanent long term rankings shouldn't be in a hurry to get them since the effect is usually vice-versa."
Does this still apply?
@moveforward
Yes, but the method has evolved slightly. Linking wise there is no big difference, but we nowadays have a bunch of quality checkpoints in place that our website must adhere to before we start sending any links whatsoever.
Alex
