How many Affiliate managers are registered in BHW???

[Peepers]

Yeah, I'm here, and I post publically.

I can tell you that I will not give out any tips or hints on how to create fake or fraudulent leads for merchants. In fact, you'll see in my posts that I discourage that all I can.

However, I am here if you have any questions about whether something is against our terms. It does not hurt to ask - better safe than sorry.

Hi Steve, Thanks for being open and honest. We appreciate that. I was wondering, do you by chance accept traffic from CL?

 

[overl00rd]

Hi Steve, Thanks for being open and honest. We appreciate that. I was wondering, do you by chance accept traffic from CL?

Well finally, someone has the balls to ask THE question. Yeah Steve, we'd love to hear your opinion about this.

 

[Peepers]

Didn't mean to put him on the spot. If he doesn't answer, I guess it's safe to assume no; but while we are all being so open here:

I'm an honest e-whore (err.. honestly coming forward and admitting to ewhoring through your network) and am interested in obtaining the truth about IM. Is it true that as long as leads are converting on the advertiser's end, all is ok? Even if we are faking the referrer or hiding our source of traffic by other means while simultaneously blending in traffic to assume a natural state, you guys are ok with this, right? I'm popping the question because I know you are smart enough to educate yourself with our current methods of promoting, and traffic redirection, hence the reason as to why you are here. So, going back to my question..

If it's converting, then obviously customers are happy, the advertisers are happy, you are happy and I am happy. Is this so??

The idea here isn't to be a sarcastic ass. I know you have guidelines you must follow, so you're more than welcome to send me a PM regarding my question, as I respect the rules implemented by your company for the sake of preserving the value of the product without degradation..and I give you my word that upon receiving your messages, I will not share them with the public; however I choose to ask this question openly because there is much conflict here in BHW regarding these issues. I'm sure much depends on several variables, but we are open minded individuals and would sincerely appreciate a response. Thanks!

 

[lovedream4u]

i think allmost every well settled affiliate network know about our forum...

 

[Peepers]

As before mentioned, I would not share the info disclosed in the PM, however I have yet to receive one..

 

[badassmamma]

As before mentioned, I would not share the info disclosed in the PM, however I have yet to receive one..

hes not even online you should wait a while if and when he reads this post.

 

[Peepers]

hes not even online you should wait a while if and when he reads this post.

Oh, sorry about that! I wasn't aware that this feature existed. I didn't mean to disrespect. Next time I'll be sure to look at that before posting a follow up! Thanks for letting me know.

 

[MaxSteve]

Hi Steve, Thanks for being open and honest. We appreciate that. I was wondering, do you by chance accept traffic from CL?

There is no "bad" source of traffic. It's HOW you obtain that traffic that can get you in trouble. If you are following the terms and conditions of the source of your traffic, and if you using non-misleading advertising, and sending a real surfer to a merchant's landing page through their own click and they know exactly why they're on the merchant's landing page and what they are getting by being there, then you should be fine. Of course there are variances on a campaign by campaign basis, but that's a good way to tell what's allowed and what isn't.

Yeah, a bit of a long winded answer, but I think it works better here for everyone than me answering a dozen questions all like this: "Can you tell me if ______ is allowed"?

 

[Peepers]

Is it true that as long as leads are converting on the advertiser's end, all is ok? Even if we are faking the referrer or hiding our source of traffic by other means while simultaneously blending in traffic to assume a natural state, you guys are ok with this, right? I'm popping the question because I know you are smart enough to educate yourself with our current methods of promoting, and traffic redirection, hence the reason as to why you are here. So, going back to my question..

If it's converting, then obviously customers are happy, the advertisers are happy, you are happy and I am happy. Is this so??

Would you be able to elaborate regarding preservation of a product's image? Say, an affiliate promotes a singlesnet promotion using youtube comments with facts about singlesnet's features, functions, and benefits; nothing misleading, but blatant spam.. If they end up converting, then you guys are happy with that right?

What's the process in deciding where degradation of a product occurs? Does the advertiser say, "Hey! We got a problem. These leads aren't converting. What's going on??" Or do you investigate all traffic and shake a no no stick?

What if someone responds to a CL casual encounter where a male or female is looking for NSA, and the affiliate says after having a conversation with the gentleman, "talk to me on singlesnet, because [feature's listed]" ?

If they choose to visit via the affiliate link and end up using the service, does it really matter where the traffic comes from? I'm just fishing here, but help me out as I'm not familiar with the process. Where does this all truly become a problem? Of course you're probably tired of answering this question, but I'm looking for a definitive answer so that we know where our boundaries lie. Feel free to point us to an existing thread if these particular scenarios have been covered.

If each scenario is different, yet we're not allowed to discuss it with our AMs without fear of repercussion, it doesn't seem to matter due to the TOS.. So, your previous post doesn't quite answer my question. It leads me to believe that you'd rather not hear about it, as long as the advertiser isn't complaining. Is this correct?

 

[MaxSteve]

Would you be able to elaborate regarding preservation of a product's image? Say, an affiliate promotes a singlesnet promotion using youtube comments with facts about singlesnet's features, functions, and benefits; nothing misleading, but blatant spam.. If they end up converting, then you guys are happy with that right?

What's the process in deciding where degradation of a product occurs? Does the advertiser say, "Hey! We got a problem. These leads aren't converting. What's going on??" Or do you investigate all traffic and shake a no no stick?

What if someone responds to a CL casual encounter where a male or female is looking for NSA, and the affiliate says after having a conversation with the gentleman, "talk to me on singlesnet, because [feature's listed]" ?

If they choose to visit via the affiliate link and end up using the service, does it really matter where the traffic comes from? I'm just fishing here, but help me out as I'm not familiar with the process. Where does this all truly become a problem? Of course you're probably tired of answering this question, but I'm looking for a definitive answer so that we know where our boundaries lie. Feel free to point us to an existing thread if these particular scenarios have been covered.

If each scenario is different, yet we're not allowed to discuss it with our AMs without fear of repercussion, it doesn't seem to matter due to the TOS.. So, your previous post doesn't quite answer my question. It leads me to believe that you'd rather not hear about it, as long as the advertiser isn't complaining. Is this correct?

Sorry, but too many questions in too many directions and too many possibilities where I'd really have to see it and make a judgement call.

Your best bet is to ask your AM (or me) about specific cases. You do not have to fear any repercussions from MaxBounty just for about asking whether something is allowed or not.

 

[Peepers]

The methods mentioned are as simple as those listed above, really. I've given two detailed scenarios with an example offer. I think it's safe to assume that you'd rather not know the source of traffic. Maybe I'm not being specific enough.. Feel free to answer to the best of your abilities using examples from previous experience. I'm not usually the type to press questions such as these, but I've already taken the time and effort to communicate with you to the best of my abilities. I would appreciate an attempt.

BTW, my Maxbounty AM isn't very friendly with me; usually very short in his/her style of communicating.. and doesn't usually take the time to help as much as some other advertisers have helped me in the past. I'm well educated. I don't ask for much and do my best to ask detailed questions.. but usually I receive a sarcastic remark or treated as though my question isn't worth their time. As a result, I'm turning to you as a final resort before continuing with my assumptions.

 

[MaxSteve]

The methods mentioned are as simple as those listed above, really. I've given two detailed scenarios with an example offer. I think it's safe to assume that you'd rather not know the source of traffic. Maybe I'm not being specific enough.. Feel free to answer to the best of your abilities using examples from previous experience. I'm not usually the type to press questions such as these, but I've already taken the time and effort to communicate with you to the best of my abilities. I would appreciate an attempt.

I apologize but I maybe I didn't interpret your questions correctly then. Specifically, this question: What's the process in deciding where degradation of a product occurs? There is no simple answer to this question and it really becomes a judgement call on a case by case basis by looking at specific methods.

I'll address your two examples. The YouTube example would be fine. You are not misrepresenting the product, nor deceiving the user into signing up for the dating service. The ewhoring you describe would not be allowed. ewhoring = zero quality leads for the dating merchant. Once the surfer who signs up realizes they've been suckered, they abandon their account on the dating site. Note (before someone posts about this), I know that there are some dating merchants that turn a blind eye to ewhoring if the traffic backs out. But that is the exception, not the rule.

When it comes to bending the rules regarding the promotional method on a campaign, merchants will look beyond whether the leads back out or not. They have to also worry about the reputation of their brand, as well as FTC problems. Two examples of that:

First example: Fake job ads tarnish the reputation of credit report merchants because surfers think they are being scammed by the credit report merchant once they realize they've been fooled. They don't know that there are affiliates in the middle. They just assume CreditReport.com is trying to rip them off.

Second example: not long ago an e-mail only campaign provider got in trouble with the FTC. They had to pay a penalty in the millions for not having clear enough language on their landing page with respect to actually getting a "FREE Ipod". That's why you'll often see an asterisk next to FREE, or you'll see terms like "with participation" or "with completion of offers". If an affiliate goes ahead and takes that creative, then modifies it to say "Click here for your free ipod with no cost at all!", the end merchant can get in trouble because their offer is being misrepresented.

I hope this answers your questions, if not, please feel free to post follow-ups.

 

[Peepers]

Thank you for your insight! I really value you taking the time to provide me with these answers. These are exactly the answers I have been seeking! You rock. I look forward to doing business with you guys once again (partly because of your PM that you sent me)

I promised that I wouldn't share detailed info from PMs; however, I will say that Steve has delivered an apology on behalf of his rep's behavior and has offered me several solutions as a means to retain my partnership. He is very professional. I really like the way he went about handling this whole thing. I will continue to do business with Maxbounty because of this experience.. I wish there were more people like Steve running the ad networks.

Sincerely,
-Peepers

 

[Peepers]

Furthermore, I hope this sheds some light on these "strange sensations" the OP talked about. I'm glad there are AMs openly participating in our discussions here at bhw. It ultimately does great things for their company. I'm not so sure about the "lurkers," but Steve from Maxbounty is definitely not one of them and should be given a chance. He delivered one hell of a first impression.

Who are the other active members from the major networks?

 

[LadRak]

If you're doing your stuff right (aka working legitimely) you don't have reasons to worry about.

Consider IM a job, and not an easy way to make money.
You wouldn't steal PS3s if you're working at GameStop, would you?



The reason why many AMs are here is to keep their company reputation clean.
How many threads you see from noobs saying "oh noes, I've been shaved to death by xxxxxx, keep away from it!" or "my payment is 3 days late, xxxxx are such scammers" without reason?
This forum is on the top1000 of the web. Do you know what a thread like that can make to a company?


The reason why I doubt many AMs would post here is because they would be flooded with PMs. MaxSteve responded because he got called by some replies, and besides I think we've all seen him one time or another (noobies love to bash MaxBounty).

 

[keinehabe]

what do you think guys they are like scarecrows ? it's a job like any another one , and if they wanna join on some forums none can stop them ... or they don't know what means spam and how to spam ? like mkrongel pretend ? Things are easy to understand they are peoples like everyone else and if they are on online business they have to know about everything ...

 

[PeeWeeDee]

Lol who gives a rat ass the AM just wanna see whats poppin cause more than likely the NETWORK screwing there check around just like they do ours. i have seen MANY AM quit working cause the network screwing around with salary, they leave take the knowledge mix in a little BHW and get to making dough just like we do.

I welcome them THEY NOT THE POLICE!!!

 

[MikeHustle]

I want Katie from MaxBounty to give me a cam show

 

[oyeah22]

I want Katie from MaxBounty to give me a cam show

lmao you better hope shes not on here..she might ban you for sexual harassment haha